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    Second round, I like Joey Dorsey, reminds me shades of DD or the other guy who is a great rebounder who grabbed/hit Chris Kaman in the nuts, hard, whose name escapes me right now.

    Dorsey jumped up the draft board though after his big game against Mississippi State where he had 13 pt 12 rebs, 6 blocks, and 5 fouls!!!

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    Dorsey is an interesting kid. When he shows up, he's a beast
    inside. But to call him a head case doesn't do justice to the
    term. His reputation for moodiness both on and off the court
    (he's started at least one brawl in a Memphis nightclub) is
    well established.

    Given recent history, I doubt LB would touch him w/ a 10-foot
    pole.

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    Dorsey is an interesting kid. When he shows up, he's a beast
    inside. But to call him a head case doesn't do justice to the
    term. His reputation for moodiness both on and off the court
    (he's started at least one brawl in a Memphis nightclub) is
    well established.

    Given recent history, I doubt LB would touch him w/ a 10-foot
    pole.

    I had no idea, he's 24, too. I hadn't seen that before either. Thanks for the heads up.

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    Beyond the extra yr that Carter brings, (I think the 2nd is a t/o) & big $, let me ask:
    What do you do w/ Mike D?
    He is playing SG now & has shown he can play, & should start. You would have to move Danny to PF, & I think that is a mistake. I think he can play there in spots/ certain matchups & be affective, but not night-in night-out. Not only that, but you likely bury S.Williams even further - or he has to be moved. Personally, I like S.Williams & think he needs to have the presure of being "needed" & having "expectations" placed on him. I think he could surprise n/y if he commits 100% this summer, & accepts all that we place on him.

    As far as Carter being easier to move? I'm not to sure. What JO has is a huge expiring at a perfect time! JO expires the same summer as L.James, D.Wade, C,Bosh & others. NJ, NY, & more will be drooling over the idea that they might be able to lure away one of these stars.

    Another point on JO (& L.Bird) I listed in my newby "intro", but I will also sum up here is:
    -W/ JO & Bird both having 2 yrs left on contracts after t/y, JO's fate (sucess/ trade value) will dictate Birds fate - given their "relationship", that's kinda ironic don't yo u think? In other words: This "Larry Bird Experiment" is now a 2 yr. venture!!! After that, we will know how Bird uses JO's value, & what that gives us. If things are not better by then, Bird is gone, & the team is 1 yr from having true cap flexibility (barring a Bird F-up w/ JO). This may likely be our best chance to "rebuild", if Bird can live w/ JO just 1 more yr (yr & 1/2). 2010 - That is when it will all come together, or it will explode entirely.
    What does "explode" mean? It means, after 2 yrs, we should have a better cap situation, w/ JO up/ gone, & all the long term contracts (Dun/Murph/Tin) w/ only 1 yr left, the Pacers would be attractive to a new GM to step into if Bird doesn't work out (or for the Simon's, a good time to sell w/ no big payroll on the books!).

    That is why I do not see us making ANY deals where we take back a player that expired past 2011! Again, Carter expires in 2013 (but again, I think 2013 is a t/o). Besides, does anyone here - realilistically - think JO will bring back 2 1'st rd. picks? I would throw in Ike if they would, but I think that's highly unlikely.
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    Beyond the extra yr that Carter brings, (I think the 2nd is a t/o) & big $, let me ask:
    What do you do w/ Mike D?
    He is playing SG now & has shown he can play, & should start. You would have to move Danny to PF, & I think that is a mistake. I think he can play there in spots/ certain matchups & be affective, but not night-in night-out. Not only that, but you likely bury S.Williams even further - or he has to be moved. Personally, I like S.Williams & think he needs to have the presure of being "needed" & having "expectations" placed on him. I think he could surprise n/y if he commits 100% this summer, & accepts all that we place on him.

    As far as Carter being easier to move? I'm not to sure. What JO has is a huge expiring at a perfect time! JO expires the same summer as L.James, D.Wade, C,Bosh & others. NJ, NY, & more will be drooling over the idea that they might be able to lure away one of these stars.

    Another point on JO (& L.Bird) I listed in my newby "intro", but I will also sum up here is:
    -W/ JO & Bird both having 2 yrs left on contracts after t/y, JO's fate (sucess/ trade value) will dictate Birds fate - given their "relationship", that's kinda ironic don't yo u think? In other words: This "Larry Bird Experiment" is now a 2 yr. venture!!! After that, we will know how Bird uses JO's value, & what that gives us. If things are not better by then, Bird is gone, & the team is 1 yr from having true cap flexibility (barring a Bird F-up w/ JO). This may likely be our best chance to "rebuild", if Bird can live w/ JO just 1 more yr (yr & 1/2). 2010 - That is when it will all come together, or it will explode entirely.
    What does "explode" mean? It means, after 2 yrs, we should have a better cap situation, w/ JO up/ gone, & all the long term contracts (Dun/Murph/Tin) w/ only 1 yr left, the Pacers would be attractive to a new GM to step into if Bird doesn't work out (or for the Simon's, a good time to sell w/ no big payroll on the books!).

    That is why I do not see us making ANY deals where we take back a player that expired past 2011! Again, Carter expires in 2013 (but again, I think 2013 is a t/o). Besides, does anyone here - realilistically - think JO will bring back 2 1'st rd. picks? I would throw in Ike if they would, but I think that's highly unlikely.
    Great point!!! I think that Bird has a thinner line to walk on. I believe if the team is at this point next year, then Bird could be on the chopping block.


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    Seth... I might have missed it but how do you feel about Augustine. Did you read the espn article about him & his mom posted earlier. I am growing more fond of him every day. Maybe it is because I am watching to much Chris Paul and want my own version.
    He's been one of my main targets since the start of the season, before I'd even heard of Love.

    PG (IMO) - Rose, Bayless, Augustin...Mayo is a swing that could play PG, EJ is pure SG and way behind the others with handles

    But I think Augustin is a notch below those other 2. He doesn't work the ball like Paul, doesn't have Deron's power either. I just brought up BJ Armstrong in another thread, and that's actually kinda the caliber guy I think he'll be.

    That certainly helps, but don't expect the 1 hand cross-over between the legs that Paul just dropped on the Pacers.


    Then Collison is the one other PG that I'd consider a "solution", another notch under Augustin because he likes his own dribble way too much. He'll make it, he might fix that and even be great, but for now you can't count on those "ifs".


    Weaver I like ONLY as a defensive specialist PG. He can pass and score, he should make a team, but he doesn't have the consistant offensive ability that those other guys do. I don't like Lawson at all. Westbrook isn't even remotely like a PG. Price showed too many problems the final month and is mid-2nd round to me.

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    I like Lester Hudson

    We should be able to trade IKE for a late first round draft choice and this guy will be immediately help for our DEFENSE.

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    So who do we like in the second round? We get a pretty early second round pick that could do some good. I vote for a guy like Demarcus Nelson from Duke. Or maybe a guy like Shan Foster.
    I would love to snag Courtney Lee

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    The games, haven't watched L'ville/TN yet, its on Tivo.

    NC vs Wash St
    T'Hans is fine, but something of a static player by NBA standards. By NCAA standards the entire team is athletic but to me they all seem like classic "great college, meh pros". Clearly they were better athletes than every WSU player other than Weaver.

    Weaver - he showed you his game. He can be an impact offensive player, but he also fades or makes mistakes. He doesn't flop on offense, but it's not what puts him in the NBA and why he isn't a starter.

    But on defense you saw on play 1 what he brings. T'Hans gets the offensive rebound on the quick tip win, and Weaver is the one who ties him up for a jump ball and gives it to WSU. He also fights for rebounds like a madman by PG standards. He blocks shots, he steals, he gets after it.

    It makes me sick thinking a team like Detroit might add him as just the kind of tweek they could use. He'll never make it to round 2.

    W KY vs UCLA
    Love - it's all been said. Smartest player on the court, hit 2 different outlets (off a made shot no less) to guys at the OTHER 3pt line. 2 hands, dead on the money. I mean the count of those passes he's made this year has to be 50+. Every game, seriously.

    He is INSTANT FASTBREAK and he doesn't even have to leave the baseline to do it.

    Collison - good to see an example where he wasn't scoring at will. This was a better picture of his game. Solid defender, decent PG but not great, quick but not strong, meh court vision. At 15-18 I like him as a pick. I just take Love before him.


    Westbrook vs Lee. Lee has made an impact on me seeing them head to head. I love Westbrook as a possible pro but to me Lee was clearly superior as an NBA prospect.

    I had viewed Lee like Rush, but he is better than Rush. Maybe not smarter, but not enough to matter anyway. Of those 3 I take Lee happily right now. If he's your double dip with Love/Augustin/Lopez/etc then you have to trade into that chance.

    He's slasher smooth, comes off curls well, goes very smoothly off dribble into his jumper, and shows a solid defensive game.

    I realize that in the end Lee didn't have a great FG% evening, but a big part of that was the team behind him.

    3 blocks, 8 boards, and Westbrook ended up 3-15, I'd say Lee made a strong point. And for Westbrook you like the rebounds but as I've said all along, that's what he does. He's energy, jumping, making plays when it gets scrappy. You like that, but it does describe the Fred Jones game. If Westbrook if Fred then to me Lee looks like Jalen Rose. So I take Lee.

    I had slept on Lee most of the year even though he'd been projected to the Pacers early on. That was a mistake.
    I would love to snag Courtney Lee
    Obviously I agree.

    Reason 109 why Westbrook is not a PG - his horrible post feed to Love where he tried to go soft over the top of the fronting defender, which the defender easily reached for the steal. Running point is not his thing, passing to Shipp on a turnover break is his thing (which is great, just not PG material).

    Brazelton vs Collison - this is a reason I also worry about Collison, he gambles and can be lit up like this. And his size doesn't discourage outside jumpers. I recall a few times Braz just stopped and rose up on him.


    Xavier vs West VA
    Only interest was Alexander since I hadn't really watched him. No doubt he's got a few quick moves to him, not half bad, but right now he still looks like 2nd round fodder to me. He should stay another year and raise his stock, which I think he could. Right now as a 6'8" guy he looks quick at PF, but not quick enough for an NBA SF.

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    Naptime, what are your impressions of Boston College's own Tyrese Rice?
    Didn't really watch him. I've heard you or others mention him a bit.

    Contrary to all my posting (which is standard for me), I certainly don't have a line on every guy. I'm in here for the same reason you are, to find out about guys and get pointed in the right direction. I'll take this question as "hey, maybe get your head out of your rear and go YouTube him".

    Too late to see them live now. Maybe ESPN has a game or two still available? I'll have to see.



    BTW, teams still in play besides Final Fours: NIT has FLA, Ohio St, U Miss and U Mass. CBI has: Bradley vs Tulsa, 3 game champ series.

    Anyone to really look at in that mix?

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    With all these upsets in the NCAA tournament....I can see alot of top prospects slip a few spots with some GM taking a risk on some Players that shine in the Tournament. Thabeet has dropped a few spots due to his lackluster performance whereas players like Robin Lopez and Joe Alexander have popped up out of nowhere.

    I think that there may even be some decent prospects that drop to the 2nd round.
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    Didn't really watch him. I've heard you or others mention him a bit.

    Contrary to all my posting (which is standard for me), I certainly don't have a line on every guy. I'm in here for the same reason you are, to find out about guys and get pointed in the right direction. I'll take this question as "hey, maybe get your head out of your rear and go YouTube him".

    Too late to see them live now. Maybe ESPN has a game or two still available? I'll have to see.



    BTW, teams still in play besides Final Fours: NIT has FLA, Ohio St, U Miss and U Mass. CBI has: Bradley vs Tulsa, 3 game champ series.

    Anyone to really look at in that mix?
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    Kofi is right on about Speights. I have only seen one game. He is intriging. He played well for most of the season but since the Gators failed to make the tourney his exposure has limited his draft status. Have not followed him in the tourney. But his number look good:

    14 pts (6 0f 9) 10 reb in 30 min against ASU

    He played very well behind Noah, Horford, and Richard. Many expected him to be the number one prospect in the SEC. But when Florida struggled, so did people's perception of Marrese.

    I think he will be an excellent prospect. I would rather see TPTP to gamble on this guy rather than Westbrook, Thabeet, or Jordan. His TO ratio went down from his freshman year even with more minutes played. I think if is staying for one more year.

    This years numbers
    24.5 Mins
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    63% FG
    70% FT
    7.8 RPG
    1.4 BPG

    I think one more year playing at 30 mpg would raise his draft stock. He is a PF all the way 6'10" 245. Right now I see him being the dark horse if he declares.

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    At the risk of blasphmening?, I'm sorry, but the more I see of Kevin Love the more I see (gulp) Larry Bird. There, I said it. The same size, same athleticism, same court awareness, same passing skill, not quite the same shooting skill (but who else does?). This guy is a stud. He's proven himself against all comers in the best conference and the pressure of the tournament. Was Bird this good as a freshman? I think Seth nailed it when he pointed out that Love has great skills (scoops, head fakes, positioning) that don't require someone who can jump through the roof. Remember, there's loads and loads of tremendous athletes who don't have a clue how to play basketball. At this point it's looking like our #10 pick may very well come down to Love vs. Augustin. Methinks we couldn't go wrong with either one.

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    Just for fun I'll toss this out. What if Memphis ends up with
    #1 or #2 and, with the intention of taking Rose, puts Conley
    on the trading block ? If the Pacers pick at #9-12 would get
    it done, would you do it ?

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    RG-

    Granted, he's just a young kid, but I'm not sure Love has quite
    the agility that Bird had. I haven't seen alot of UCLA, but I've
    seen some of 4-5 games and I don't recall seeing Love show
    the kind of passing ability on the move, at close to full speed,
    that Bird had.

    No question though, his 'feel' for the game is Bird-esque.

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    Thanks Kofi, seriously. It's more fun getting along. IMO there is just no way to keep track of all these guys.
    Gotta figure this factors into into whether he comes out or not.
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    You know back to Love, but actually in a bigger sense. He's getting tons of praise and his stock is up. So is the stock of lots of other guys.

    So here comes some top 15 picks and you know these guys are going to make that list...but you also know that 6-7 just aren't going to pan out.

    Unless GMs just totally blow it on guys I like, I'm 100% going to be wrong on at least 5-6 of these top players. So are the rest of us. How can that be?

    I mean I get that Love isn't super athlete, that Augustin isn't Paul or that Rose has some rough spots to iron out. But damn, if they flop it's still going to be a "what happened" for a lot of people.

    I try to look at guys like that, in that view that I know he is going to bust and think about what it was that we all should have seen, but even then it's tough to see.

    Of course if you figure that out then you are getting a call from a team owner about a scouting job, hopefully you hold out for a job with the Pacers.


    Also agree that Love is no in motion passer. He's also not your go-to scorer. Way back a month or two ago my first impressions posted was that he is most like KEVIN MCHALE. McHale was not the athlete that Bird even was, he just gimmicked his way into things with little gym moves like up and unders, crap like that. Stuff that you at first dismiss, but then night after night it's getting points, getting stats and helping you win and you think "how the F did that happen".

    But even if they did get Love and he did pan out to be what you might expect, they are still badly going to also need a Rose/Bayless type, and a shooter too. This sure doesn't seem like the last draft we are going to have to watch closely.
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    Just for fun I'll toss this out. What if Memphis ends up with
    #1 or #2 and, with the intention of taking Rose, puts Conley
    on the trading block ? If the Pacers pick at #9-12 would get
    it done, would you do it ?
    Memphis is pretty content with Conley from what I've read. I think they would either go with Beasley at one or maybe even reach and take Brook Lopez at two. Plus they could always trade the pick.

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    Dorsey is an interesting kid. When he shows up, he's a beast
    inside. But to call him a head case doesn't do justice to the
    term. His reputation for moodiness both on and off the court
    (he's started at least one brawl in a Memphis nightclub) is
    well established.

    Given recent history, I doubt LB would touch him w/ a 10-foot
    pole.
    Keep in mind also that Dorsey will be 25 years old by the time the next all-star break roles around. He's already been physically mature for awhile and he's just been bullying around less developed guys for years now.

    He's a big body and that's about it. Not really highly skilled and given his age, he's sort of close to his ceiling already. Somebody will probably spend a 2nd round pick on him.

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    After watching Stephen Curry he is a star. He is a shorter version of Reggie.
    Can pass on the fast break and score from anywhere. The question at 6'3"
    is can he be a SG or does he have PG skills

    Augustin looks very good also. Powerful and with good court awareness.

    That leaves Love and Thabeet.

    Thabeet, Love and Augustin or Curry!!!

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    At the risk of blasphmening?, I'm sorry, but the more I see of Kevin Love the more I see (gulp) Larry Bird. There, I said it. The same size, same athleticism, same court awareness, same passing skill...
    The same skin color...

    Why does every white guy get compared to Larry Bird?

    Larry was one of the 2 best guys in college ball when he came out. Love is nowhere near that.
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    After watching Stephen Curry he is a star. He is a shorter version of Reggie.
    Can pass on the fast break and score from anywhere. The question at 6'3"
    is can he be a SG or does he have PG skills

    Augustin looks very good also. Powerful and with good court awareness.

    That leaves Love and Thabeet.

    Thabeet, Love and Augustin or Curry!!!

    Get it done Bird.

    nbadraft.net has curry listed at 6' 1" not 6' 3"

    http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/prof...phencurry.html

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    The same skin color...

    Why does every white guy get compared to Larry Bird?
    Because it's just not as cool to get compared to the Jeff Hornaceks and Kiki Vandeweghes of the world.

    Barkley addressed the same issue once on TNT. He asked the exact same question: Why does every white guy (Laettner, Gugliotta, Van Horn, Dunleavy) get compared to Larry Bird? He said that the only thing Bird and Laettner had in comman was that they were both white. That's it.

    Love is nice prospect and I think he'll do well in the NBA. His shooting, rebounding, passing and court vision are all very good but nowhere near as good as Bird's.

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    After watching Stephen Curry he is a star.
    He's definitely a star in college, yes. In the NBA, he's probably a 7th/8th man but he'll have a place in the league.

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    nbadraft.net has curry listed at 6' 1" not 6' 3"

    http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/prof...phencurry.html

    The Davidson site has him listed at 6'3". He looks to be that tall.

    The guy could play point I believe.

    I would look real hard at him.
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