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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080105/...zzQ0wJTWqs0NUE

    Warner Bros. picks Blu-ray over HD-DVD By ALEX VEIGA, AP Business Writer
    Fri Jan 4, 7:54 PM ET



    LOS ANGELES - Warner Bros. Entertainment said Friday it will release movie discs only in the Blu-ray format, becoming the latest studio to reject the rival HD DVD technology and further complicating the high-definition landscape for consumers.

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    Warner Bros., owned by Time Warner Inc., was the only remaining studio releasing high-definition DVDs in both formats.

    It is the fifth studio to back Blu-ray, developed by Sony Corp. Only two support the HD DVD format, developed by Toshiba Corp.

    Both formats deliver crisp, clear high-definition pictures and sound. But they are incompatible with each other, and neither plays on older DVD players, which means consumers seeking top-quality playback face a dilemma.

    Warner said it decided to go with Blu-ray because consumers have shown a stronger preference for that format than HD DVD.

    "The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger," Warner Bros. chairman and Chief Executive Barry Meyer said in a statement.

    "We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers and, most importantly, consumers," the statement said.

    The company said sales of Blu-ray discs in the U.S. generated $169 million last year, while sales of discs in the HD DVD format totaled $103 million.

    About 60 percent of Warner's sales of U.S. high-definition discs were Blu-ray titles and the other 40 percent were HD DVD, said Kevin Tsujihara, president of Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group.

    Outside the U.S., the divide was far wider, with Warner's Blu-ray discs outselling titles in HD DVD in Britain and Japan, among other markets, Tsujihara said.

    Sales of set-top high-definition disc players in the fourth quarter of 2007 also factored into Warner's decision.

    The company saw an acceleration in sales of Blu-ray players at the end of the quarter, particularly in December, Tsujihara said.

    "We always viewed set-tops as the most significant indicator" of consumers' format preference, he said.

    Still, one alarming trend Warner keyed on was that consumers didn't appear motivated by price reductions on high-definition disc players.

    "When we saw that was not impacting sales in the level that it should have, and the consumer research that we did indicated that the consumers were holding back from buying either one of the two formats ... we thought it was the right time to act," Tsujihara said, noting that even sales of standard DVDs were affected because consumers appeared unsure over which format to go with.

    "That was kind of the worst of all worlds for us," he said.

    There are some differences between the formats. Blu-ray discs can hold more data ó 50 gigabytes compared with HD DVD's 30 GB ó but the technology's new manufacturing techniques boosted initial costs.

    HD DVDs, on the other hand, are essentially DVDs on steroids, meaning movie studios can turn to existing assembly lines to produce them in mass.

    Warner Home Video will continue to release new titles in HD DVD until the end of May.

    Pali Capital analyst Rich Greenfield said in a Web posting Friday that he expects the HD DVD format to "die a quick death, versus a prolonged format war."

    "While we still expect overall consumer spending on DVDs to decline at least 3 percent in 2008, the risk of an even worse 2008 DVD environment has most likely been avoided by Warner's early 2008 decision," Greenfield wrote.

    The North American HD DVD Promotional Group Inc., a trade association that promotes the HD DVD format, did not have an immediate comment Friday.

    Calls to representatives for Toshiba, Sony and the Blu-ray Disc Association were not immediately returned.

    Studios and retailers have been choosing sides in the high-def format war in recent months.

    Blu-ray got a big boost in June when Blockbuster Inc. announced it would stock only Blu-ray titles as it expands its high-definition offerings.

    Target Inc., the nation's second-largest retailer, decided in July to sell only Blu-ray DVD players.

    Among the other major studios that have decided to go with Blu-ray: The Walt Disney Co., Sony Corp.'s Sony Pictures, News Corp.'s Twentieth Century Fox and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.

    Viacom's Paramount Pictures, which also owns DreamWorks SKG, dropped its support for Blu-ray and said it would start distributing films exclusively in the HD DVD format.

    Universal Pictures, a unit of General Electric, also releases films only in HD DVD.

    Time Warner shares slipped 42 cents, or 2.5 percent, to $15.91 Friday.

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    I'm glad that a format is actually taking the lead. I really want to buy an HD player but I don't want to waste my money cause the one I buy is done for. Great news. Now it will be interesting to see how long it takes UNI to go strait BR. I think Paramount has an actualy contract to be with HD-DVD.
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    Just when I buy an HD-DVD player for my 360......

    I need a cheap way to get Blu-Ray without buying a PS3.
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    Just when I buy an HD-DVD player for my 360......

    I need a cheap way to get Blu-Ray without buying a PS3.
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    I haven't messed with any HD-dvd's, but I understand that the discs play on regular players when flipped over. Seems like that's more practical, and if it's true I'm suprised that HD-dvd isn't selling way more than Blu-ray. Maybe the PS3 consoles themselves are giving Blu-ray the edge.

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    I haven't messed with any HD-dvd's, but I understand that the discs play on regular players when flipped over.
    That's probably a technical possibly and it wouldn't surprise me if some maybe did do that, or if it's maybe done on more rental versions of the HD discs (to make it cheaper for a rental house to stock reg/HD DVD versions... But...
    If the HD disc has a big label on one side, flipping it over isn't going to be an option. I just took a look at a couple of my HD discs and they just have data on one side and a label on the other.

    I just checked two HD rental discs that I hadn't opened. Same thing- Label on one side.

    As to the topic at hand. I wonder if this really is the death knell for HD-DVD or if there will be another shoe to drop in the near future? It seems way sooner than I expected either format to find itself on the ropes.

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    I'm honestly surprised that it looks like Blu-Ray is going to win this. I thought HD-DVD had a big edge in name-recognition alone. I guess the internet has just allowed even the casual consumer to be more informed these days.

    I'm happy, though, as I have a PS3. And I don't like Toshiba.

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    I haven't messed with any HD-dvd's, but I understand that the discs play on regular players when flipped over. Seems like that's more practical, and if it's true I'm suprised that HD-dvd isn't selling way more than Blu-ray. Maybe the PS3 consoles themselves are giving Blu-ray the edge.
    Some do, but not all.

    And, yes, I think the built-in user base for PS3 users helps Blu-Ray considerably. I know that if my PS3 didn't include Blu-Ray, I wouldn't own either format.

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    HD-DVD absolutely seemed the way to go. But BR it is.

    I'll still be skipping this generation entirely, so it doesn't much matter to me.
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    You know what's funny? My three least favorite studios/film companies (Toshiba, Universal, and Paramount) are the only HD-DVD backers left. Makes my choice pretty much a no-brainer.

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    Btw, following this announcement (made Friday), the HD-DVD promoters cancelled the CES Press Conference they had scheduled for today.

    I think they realize that this was pretty much the death knell.

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    I thought HD-DVD had a big edge in name-recognition alone. I
    Now I am wondering if it's just the opposite that occurred- HD-DVD maybe didn't differentiate itself enough from good ol' DVD's in name.

    I think the biggest factor is probably the money/perks Blu Ray paid to the companies to be exclusive...

    I still can't help but feel there's another shoe yet to drop.

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    I always hoped and figured Blu-Ray would somehow win

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    ...but I understand that the discs play on regular players when flipped over...
    Only titles marked with HD-DVD Combo are able to be flipped like that. One side is HD, the other is regular, but not every title released is a combo.

    I always assumed that Blu-Ray would win this thing anyway, now it's all but certain. I've said all along that the companies that were in Blu-Ray's corner were far better outfits to have with you than HD-DVD had.

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    Sounds like HD has given up yet. MSRP at $149 bucks for the lower line and $299 for the top of the line.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...008/0004735440


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    Toshiba Deploys New HD DVD Marketing Initiatives Based on Strong Fourth Quarter Unit Sales



    Mass Market Acceptance Confirms that HD DVD is the Consumer's Choice for
    Next Generation High Def Entertainment

    WAYNE, N.J., Jan. 14 /PRNewswire/ -- Toshiba America Consumer Products,
    L.L.C. ("Toshiba") today announced that it is stepping up its successful
    marketing campaign for HD DVD as it experienced record-breaking unit sales
    in the fourth quarter of 2007. Major initiatives, including joint
    advertising campaigns with studios and extended pricing strategies will
    begin in mid- January and are designed to spotlight the superior benefits
    of HD DVD as well as the benefits HD DVD brings to a consumer's current DVD
    library by upconverting standard DVDs via the HDMI(TM) output to near high
    definition picture quality.

    As Toshiba achieved the #1 sales volume in the next generation DVD
    category with an approximately 50 percent market share in 2007, HD DVD is
    proven to be the format of choice for consumers. Coupled with an 80 percent
    plus market share of all next generation DVD equipped notebooks for the 4th
    quarter 2007, the HD DVD format has already paved the way to a high
    definition digital AV solution by eliminating the boundaries between the
    consumer's living room and on the go.

    HD DVD not only creates the ultimate high definition entertainment
    experience, leveraging all of the promise of the format such as superior
    audio/video performance, Web-enabled network capabilities and advanced
    interactive features - it also has a high-level of compatibility with DVD.
    With DVD upconversion via the HDMI output, HD DVD players instantly make a
    movie lover's existing DVD library look better than ever.

    "HD DVD is the best way to watch movies in high definition," said Jodi
    Sally, Vice President of Marketing, Toshiba's Digital A/V Group. "Our HD
    DVD players not only play back approximately 800 HD DVD titles available
    worldwide and deliver an entirely new level of entertainment but also
    enhance the picture quality to near high definition on legacy DVD titles by
    all studios. In short, we added high def to DVD which already is the de
    facto standard format created and approved by the DVD Forum that consists
    of more than two hundred companies."

    New Marketing Strategy for Mass Market Adoption

    Taking the holiday season sales based on promotional prices into full
    consideration, these new manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) are
    designed to meet the potential demand for HD DVD players in the U.S.
    market. Effective on January 13, 2008 the MSRP of the entry-model HD-A3
    will be $149.99, the HD-A30, with 1080p output, $199.99, and the high-end
    HD-A35, $299.99.

    "While price is one of the consideration elements for the early
    adopter, it is a deal-breaker for the mainstream consumer," said Yoshi
    Uchiyama, Group Vice President Digital A/V Group. "Consumer sales this
    holiday season have proven that the consumer awareness of the HD DVD format
    has been elevated and pricing is the most critical determinant in
    consumers' purchase decision of

    the next generation HD DVD technology. The value HD DVD provides to the
    consumer simply cannot be ignored."

    Extended Advertising Campaign

    Toshiba plans to execute an extended advertising campaign that will
    further enhance consumer awareness of the benefits of HD DVD and drive
    sales to retail among potential consumers. Advertising strategies will
    include television, print and online media channels. Toshiba will also work
    with its dealers and studio partners on joint marketing and promotional
    initiatives to promote HD DVD. Current promotions include "The Perfect HD
    Offer" - a mail-in offer allowing consumers to select five HD DVD titles
    for free from a selection of 15 with the purchase of any Toshiba HD DVD
    player.

    Consistent Viewing Experience and More

    With advanced interactivity and Web-enabled network capabilities built
    into every HD DVD player through a dedicated Ethernet port as mandated by
    the specifications approved by the DVD Forum, Toshiba delivers on the
    promise of a consistent entertainment experience through firmware updates
    as studios launch new applications. HD DVD allows studios to flex their
    creative muscle in ways never before seen. The latest of these new
    experiences is online streaming. Now, when consumers connect their HD DVD
    player to the Internet, they can stream new content or trailers, as
    available, directly from a movie studio's server.

    Universal Home Video, Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation SKG
    have reported that an average of 30 percent of HD DVD owners have accessed
    Web- enabled network features and continue to do so regularly.

    Ongoing Customer Commitment

    In order to ensure that its customers will receive complete
    satisfaction from their new players, Toshiba introduced the "HD DVD
    Concierge" earlier this month. Consumers can now call 1-888-MY HDDVD
    (1-888-694-3383) for answers to general questions about HD DVD, for
    operational assistance or for assistance with various promotions.

    About Toshiba HD DVD Players

    With the HD DVD format, select HD DVD players allow consumers to
    experience true high def 1080p for extraordinary resolution that matches
    the latest state of the art 1080p HDTVs. These same players display images
    at 24 frames per second, the same frame rate used by directors when using
    film to create motion pictures, for a smoother, more film-like, viewing
    experience.

    Important Notes:

    HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Up-
    conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Viewing
    high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP
    capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. 1080p capable display
    required for viewing content in 1080p. Firmware update may be required for
    some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an
    always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require
    additional bandwidth. To take advantage of web-enabled network content,
    installing the latest firmware (ver.2.4 for HD DVD player models HD-XA1,
    HD-A1, and HD-D1; ver.2.7 for HD-XA2, HD-A2, HD-A2W, HD-D2, HD-A2C, and
    HD-A20; and ver.1.3 for HD-A35, HD-A30, and HD-A3) is required. Web-enabled
    network features require an always on broadband connection along with
    specific movie titles that include this form of content. For 24p output,
    content that was created in 1080p/24 frames/sec is required. Viewing 24p
    output requires an HD display capable of accepting a 1080p/24Hz signal. Use
    of REGZA Link, which is a feature based on HDMI-CEC, requires an HDMI-CEC
    compatible display device. Depending on the specifications of your TV, some
    or all REGZA Link functions may not work even if your TV is HDMI-CEC
    compatible. Dolby(R) Digital Plus, Dolby(R) TrueHD and DTS(R) support for
    up to 5.1 channels (DTS HD(R) support for DTS(R) core only). MP3/WMA audio
    files not supported. HDMI audio output requires connection to a PCM capable
    device. Because HD DVD is a new format that makes use of new technologies,
    certain disc, digital connection and other compatibility and/or performance
    issues are possible. This may, in rare cases, include disc freezing while
    accessing certain disc features or functions, or certain parts of the disc
    not playing back or operating as fully intended. If you experience such
    issues, please refer to the FAQ sections of http://www.toshibahddvd.com or
    http://www.tacp.toshiba.com for information on possible work- around solutions or
    the availability of firmware updates that may resolve your problem, or
    contact Toshiba Customer Solutions. Some features subject to delayed
    availability. While every effort has been made at the time of publication
    to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, product
    specifications, configurations, system/component/options availability are
    all subject to change without notice.

    About Toshiba America Consumer Products, L.L.C.

    Toshiba America Consumer Products, L.L.C. is owned by Toshiba America,
    Inc., a subsidiary of Toshiba Corporation, a world leader in high
    technology products with subsidiaries worldwide. Toshiba is a pioneer in HD
    DVD, DVD and DVD Recorder technology and a leading manufacturer of a full
    line of home entertainment products, including flat panel TV, combination
    products and portable devices. Toshiba America Consumer Products, L.L.C. is
    headquartered in Wayne, New Jersey. For additional information, please
    visit http://www.tacp.toshiba.com.
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    The price drop (AKA Fire Sale) could be a little too little a little to late.

    I -thought- the deals over the holidays were a grrrrreat idea but I was surprised to see the prices then go back up (like the 99.00 deal at Wal Mart went back to 149.00).

    I think Toshiba would've been well served to keep selling basic 1080i models at the 99.00 pricepoint with lots of marketing (or 75.00 if they could do it). Get a solid toehold in the market which should've helped forestall the studio's decisions to go to Blu Ray. Then have some 1080p models with more frills filter into the market at higher price points.

    Altho the quoted piece is marketing hype, if true what it's saying, HD DVD just wasted the momentum they started in the 4th qtr. I'm not sure if any of that matters now.

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    Sounds like HD has given up yet. MSRP at $149 bucks for the lower line and $299 for the top of the line.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...008/0004735440


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    Toshiba Deploys New HD DVD Marketing Initiatives Based on Strong Fourth Quarter Unit Sales



    Mass Market Acceptance Confirms that HD DVD is the Consumer's Choice for
    Next Generation High Def Entertainment

    WAYNE, N.J., Jan. 14 /PRNewswire/ -- Toshiba America Consumer Products,
    L.L.C. ("Toshiba") today announced that it is stepping up its successful
    marketing campaign for HD DVD as it experienced record-breaking unit sales
    in the fourth quarter of 2007. Major initiatives, including joint
    advertising campaigns with studios and extended pricing strategies will
    begin in mid- January and are designed to spotlight the superior benefits
    of HD DVD as well as the benefits HD DVD brings to a consumer's current DVD
    library by upconverting standard DVDs via the HDMI(TM) output to near high
    definition picture quality.

    As Toshiba achieved the #1 sales volume in the next generation DVD
    category with an approximately 50 percent market share in 2007, HD DVD is
    proven to be the format of choice for consumers. Coupled with an 80 percent
    plus market share of all next generation DVD equipped notebooks for the 4th
    quarter 2007, the HD DVD format has already paved the way to a high
    definition digital AV solution by eliminating the boundaries between the
    consumer's living room and on the go.

    HD DVD not only creates the ultimate high definition entertainment
    experience, leveraging all of the promise of the format such as superior
    audio/video performance, Web-enabled network capabilities and advanced
    interactive features - it also has a high-level of compatibility with DVD.
    With DVD upconversion via the HDMI output, HD DVD players instantly make a
    movie lover's existing DVD library look better than ever.

    "HD DVD is the best way to watch movies in high definition," said Jodi
    Sally, Vice President of Marketing, Toshiba's Digital A/V Group. "Our HD
    DVD players not only play back approximately 800 HD DVD titles available
    worldwide and deliver an entirely new level of entertainment but also
    enhance the picture quality to near high definition on legacy DVD titles by
    all studios. In short, we added high def to DVD which already is the de
    facto standard format created and approved by the DVD Forum that consists
    of more than two hundred companies."

    New Marketing Strategy for Mass Market Adoption

    Taking the holiday season sales based on promotional prices into full
    consideration, these new manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) are
    designed to meet the potential demand for HD DVD players in the U.S.
    market. Effective on January 13, 2008 the MSRP of the entry-model HD-A3
    will be $149.99, the HD-A30, with 1080p output, $199.99, and the high-end
    HD-A35, $299.99.

    "While price is one of the consideration elements for the early
    adopter, it is a deal-breaker for the mainstream consumer," said Yoshi
    Uchiyama, Group Vice President Digital A/V Group. "Consumer sales this
    holiday season have proven that the consumer awareness of the HD DVD format
    has been elevated and pricing is the most critical determinant in
    consumers' purchase decision of

    the next generation HD DVD technology. The value HD DVD provides to the
    consumer simply cannot be ignored."

    Extended Advertising Campaign

    Toshiba plans to execute an extended advertising campaign that will
    further enhance consumer awareness of the benefits of HD DVD and drive
    sales to retail among potential consumers. Advertising strategies will
    include television, print and online media channels. Toshiba will also work
    with its dealers and studio partners on joint marketing and promotional
    initiatives to promote HD DVD. Current promotions include "The Perfect HD
    Offer" - a mail-in offer allowing consumers to select five HD DVD titles
    for free from a selection of 15 with the purchase of any Toshiba HD DVD
    player.

    Consistent Viewing Experience and More

    With advanced interactivity and Web-enabled network capabilities built
    into every HD DVD player through a dedicated Ethernet port as mandated by
    the specifications approved by the DVD Forum, Toshiba delivers on the
    promise of a consistent entertainment experience through firmware updates
    as studios launch new applications. HD DVD allows studios to flex their
    creative muscle in ways never before seen. The latest of these new
    experiences is online streaming. Now, when consumers connect their HD DVD
    player to the Internet, they can stream new content or trailers, as
    available, directly from a movie studio's server.

    Universal Home Video, Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation SKG
    have reported that an average of 30 percent of HD DVD owners have accessed
    Web- enabled network features and continue to do so regularly.

    Ongoing Customer Commitment

    In order to ensure that its customers will receive complete
    satisfaction from their new players, Toshiba introduced the "HD DVD
    Concierge" earlier this month. Consumers can now call 1-888-MY HDDVD
    (1-888-694-3383) for answers to general questions about HD DVD, for
    operational assistance or for assistance with various promotions.

    About Toshiba HD DVD Players

    With the HD DVD format, select HD DVD players allow consumers to
    experience true high def 1080p for extraordinary resolution that matches
    the latest state of the art 1080p HDTVs. These same players display images
    at 24 frames per second, the same frame rate used by directors when using
    film to create motion pictures, for a smoother, more film-like, viewing
    experience.

    Important Notes:

    HD DVD with high-definition content required for HD viewing. Up-
    conversion of DVD content will result in near HD picture quality. Viewing
    high-definition content and up-converting DVD content may require an HDCP
    capable DVI or HDMI input on your display device. 1080p capable display
    required for viewing content in 1080p. Firmware update may be required for
    some interactive features depending on content, which may also require an
    always-on broadband internet connection. Some features may require
    additional bandwidth. To take advantage of web-enabled network content,
    installing the latest firmware (ver.2.4 for HD DVD player models HD-XA1,
    HD-A1, and HD-D1; ver.2.7 for HD-XA2, HD-A2, HD-A2W, HD-D2, HD-A2C, and
    HD-A20; and ver.1.3 for HD-A35, HD-A30, and HD-A3) is required. Web-enabled
    network features require an always on broadband connection along with
    specific movie titles that include this form of content. For 24p output,
    content that was created in 1080p/24 frames/sec is required. Viewing 24p
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    That article is some major spin control right there.

    HD-DVD is finished. This is same ploy that video game systems on the verge of losing the console war have incorporated for years. Sure, the hardware may be cheap, but the software is still expensive, and the library of titles is still going to be far behind Blu-Ray.

    Like bball said, this is too little, too late.

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    Could be over, but when 2 to 3% of the market is HDM and the rest is plain old dvd or upconverts I still wouldn't rush to judgement.

    I firmly believe Wally World is going to decide this at some point. Without the regular consumer fully adopting either format both may fail. Sony has done a pretty good job of advertising the PS3 as a blu player, but at what cost to J6P. For many that loud obnoxious octopus commercial also shouts out game console.

    I was just in a Wally SCenter today and the PS3 is locked behind an acrylic door. Mean while the Sony BD-S300 is on display for $388 dollars along with the A3 for $299 dollars next to the $100 dollar or less upconvert players. Maybe it won't make a bit of difference, but what's the average consumer going to think when they see an HD player near that $100 dollar range if the Sony blu is still up there in price?

    Maybe we should do a poll to see how many folks on this forum have a HDM player?
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    That's probably a technical possibly and it wouldn't surprise me if some maybe did do that, or if it's maybe done on more rental versions of the HD discs (to make it cheaper for a rental house to stock reg/HD DVD versions... But...
    If the HD disc has a big label on one side, flipping it over isn't going to be an option. I just took a look at a couple of my HD discs and they just have data on one side and a label on the other.

    I just checked two HD rental discs that I hadn't opened. Same thing- Label on one side.

    As to the topic at hand. I wonder if this really is the death knell for HD-DVD or if there will be another shoe to drop in the near future? It seems way sooner than I expected either format to find itself on the ropes.

    -Bball
    Some studios made DUAL discs and they are labeled as such. BR does not do this, and even for HD I think this was just announced to be a practice that was ending.

    HD people complained about the extra $5 for a version they'd never watch.

    As for as the "death" thing, there are still studios not on BR yet and regardless your HD player doesn't just stop working. It's still 1080p copies of films that work just fine. In the end this does seem to make BR the winner, but it doesn't make HD worthless. It's going to keep doing what it's supposed to do for years to come, and just like you can still get turntables you'll still find people with an interest in making HD players.

    I mean unlike LD this is not a inferior format, it's just different. Beta continued to be used even when it didn't win the commercial film war.


    BR software continues to lag in price battles, feature battles, player cost, and player features. But other than that it's the big winner.

    I'm not pro one or the other. Frankly I saw BR years ago at a Sony demo and came out saying it would crush. A few years later and they were struggling to make good on the technological promise and weren't crushing at all.

    My feeling is why not both? At some point having 2 $100 players for HD quality is going to be very reasonable. Right now people that are HD still have DVD players, especially if they added a PS3 or 360 add-on. It's not that big a deal to have 2 of these hooked up. Sure some low-end people won't buy both, but then a lot of those people are going to remain fine with SD upconverted by their TV.

    TVs, receivers and switchers are more than capable of sourcing 2 players plus SAT/CAB and even another device or two. The improvements in inputs and switching options has made jumps in recent years.

    But no, we have to have a "winner" so my Warner's films come in the same style as my Disney films. Ironically it was WB that were real a'holes about holding onto their horrible DVD snapper cases when everyone else used keep cases.

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    One of the most brilliant pieces of work I've seen in a while:

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    One of the most brilliant pieces of work I've seen in a while:

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    Saw that a few days ago and yes it is very well done. Actually I have that movie (Downfall) and it is excellent.
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    Maybe we should do a poll to see how many folks on this forum have a HDM player?
    I haven't gotten one yet, although I've been toying with the idea of picking up a PS3, primarily for Blu-Ray playback.

    Given the paltry selection of Blu-Rays at my local Blockbuster I'm wondering if my money wouldn't be better spent on a Tivo HD at this point, though.......
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    I believe that it will all be leap frogged by the remergence of the VCR. You can get "freddy Got Fingered" at any local flea market for $1. $1!!!!! What a deal!!!

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    One of the most brilliant pieces of work I've seen in a while:

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    Awesome.

    I've never seen the original film the clip is from, though.

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    I haven't gotten one yet, although I've been toying with the idea of picking up a PS3, primarily for Blu-Ray playback.

    Given the paltry selection of Blu-Rays at my local Blockbuster I'm wondering if my money wouldn't be better spent on a Tivo HD at this point, though.......
    Personally, I think that both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray were a couple of years ahead of their time, but I think there will be more adopters as everything goes HD next year.

    Sony's decision to include Blu-Ray players in their PS3s was brilliant. I wouldn't have purchased either format if I didn't own a PS3, but now I love my high-def movies.

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    I haven't gotten one yet, although I've been toying with the idea of picking up a PS3, primarily for Blu-Ray playback.

    Given the paltry selection of Blu-Rays at my local Blockbuster I'm wondering if my money wouldn't be better spent on a Tivo HD at this point, though.......
    I would highly recommend the Tivo. I've got a S3 and I'd take it over a thousand HD/Blu-Ray players. Hell, if Amazon Unbox ever started doing HD downloads, I'd have little need for anything else.

    As for the subject at hand, if HD-DVD dies, I won't mind. At $99, mine was good enough value as an upconvert alone.
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