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    Yep. Granger ties his career high and Dun gets a dubdub.

    Oh, and the Hawks commentators and our attendance is pathetic.

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    Default Re: Hawks/Pacers Post Game 34: Revenge served

    good to see DG in action tonight...
    too bad he'll probably disappear for another 5 games or so before he comes back and scores more than 20...

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    Default Re: Hawks/Pacers Post Game 34: Revenge served

    I've been hesitant to say it, but since the Chicago game Kareem Rush has become a consistent threat off the bench. If Granger and Dunleavy can mirror the way they played tonight on a more regular basis, we'll be right back in the thick of the race for that 4th seed.

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    good to see DG in action tonight...
    too bad he'll probably disappear for another 5 games or so before he comes back and scores more than 20...
    The more JO gets touches, the more DG and DunDun will vanish...and the more likely we struggle to score points efficiently. None of this should be a surprise.

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    I've been hesitant to say it, but since the Chicago game Kareem Rush has become a consistent threat off the bench. If Granger and Dunleavy can mirror the way they played tonight on a more regular basis, we'll be right back in the thick of the race for that 4th seed.
    Rush is a good backup SG IMO who can defend the perimeter OK. We are fortunate to have him for the price and he is getting better.

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    I've been hesitant to say it, but since the Chicago game Kareem Rush has become a consistent threat off the bench. If Granger and Dunleavy can mirror the way they played tonight on a more regular basis, we'll be right back in the thick of the race for that 4th seed.
    We're BARELY in the playoffs right now. Not to mention theres about a .1% chance we even win ONE of our next four games.

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    When Dunleavy isn't aggressive, he is pretty much worthless, unless you count his presence as a 6-9 point guard.

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    Default Re: Hawks/Pacers Post Game 34: Revenge served

    Ok, what was different tonight?

    This is what showed up in the box score:
    1) Far less shooting by JO
    2) Far more shooting and effectiveness by other players, not just Granger and Dun.

    That is all.

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    Default Re: Hawks/Pacers Post Game 34: Revenge served

    The difference in this game is that Dun and Granger got hot from the field. Otherwise the box score looks pretty similar to our past few games.

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    Default Re: Hawks/Pacers Post Game 34: Revenge served

    More and better ball movement and people movement, leading to better open shots by other folks....not just dropping it into JO, standing around and hoping. Good practice time with JO'B since the last game.
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    The difference in this game is that Dun and Granger got hot from the field. Otherwise the box score looks pretty similar to our past few games.
    Hmph. Rush lit it up also. JO on the other hand played within his abilities for once by shooting much less.

    However, JO only had 3 boards when Dun had 12 and Murphy and Granger had 9.

    Looked nothing like that 72pt performance against Memphis other than JO's poor performance

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    Default Re: Hawks/Pacers Post Game 34: Revenge served

    did we win this - or did the Hawks give one away?

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    Hmph. Rush lit it up also. JO on the other hand played within his abilities for once by shooting much less.

    However, JO only had 3 boards when Dun had 12 and Murphy and Granger had 9.

    Looked nothing like that 72pt performance against Memphis other than JO's poor performance
    JO shot 10 times tonight. He shot 11 times against Memphis, and was just generally all around bad. He shot 26 times against the Bobcats, but also pulled down 13 boards and had 5 assists. He shot 20 times against the Pistons at Conseco, but again 11 boards and 5 assists. Against the Pistons at the Palace he shot 13 times and made 8 scoring 25 points. Against the Hawks (the start of this losing streak) he shot 14 times, but again pulled down 10 boards.

    So its not like JO's shot selection was significantly less than usual except for the Bobcats game and the home game against the Pistons. However pretty much everything else JO did was on par with what he did against Memphis (except his rebounding was better agiainst the Grizz). So unless you're saying we're a better team when JO doesn't rebound or pass the ball effectively, I think all this proved is something we already knew. If Granger and Dun are hot, the Pacers win. All that probably means is our three pointers are falling. This isn't anything new. Its just a shame Dun and Granger never want to step up consistently. That along with Tins has been the key to the successful stretches for this team.

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    JO played well at the defensive end, so maybe he better concentrated on that end insteas of forcing too many shots on offense.
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    was our D good tonight, or did Atlanta really play that bad ? or was it a mixture of both ?
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    JO played well at the defensive end, so maybe he better concentrated on that end insteas of forcing too many shots on offense.
    JO blocked 4 shots against Memphis also. Whether this team wins or loses isn't really affected by JO anymore. Granted thats a bad thing considering his contract, but to say well we lost cause of JO or we won because of JO it just generally isn't true anymore. The play of Dun, Granger, Rush, Quis, and Tins is far more important in successfully exectuing Obie's gameplan.

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    JO shot 10 times tonight. He shot 11 times against Memphis, and was just generally all around bad. He shot 26 times against the Bobcats, but also pulled down 13 boards and had 5 assists. He shot 20 times against the Pistons at Conseco, but again 11 boards and 5 assists. Against the Pistons at the Palace he shot 13 times and made 8 scoring 25 points. Against the Hawks (the start of this losing streak) he shot 14 times, but again pulled down 10 boards.

    So its not like JO's shot selection was significantly less than usual except for the Bobcats game and the home game against the Pistons. However pretty much everything else JO did was on par with what he did against Memphis (except his rebounding was better agiainst the Grizz). So unless you're saying we're a better team when JO doesn't rebound or pass the ball effectively, I think all this proved is something we already knew. If Granger and Dun are hot, the Pacers win. All that probably means is our three pointers are falling. This isn't anything new. Its just a shame Dun and Granger never want to step up consistently. That along with Tins has been the key to the successful stretches for this team.
    You make some good points. I would like to know, however, if there is a tendency to defer to JO that hinders the team and particularly ball movement. It just seems that when Dunleavy gets hot, Granger does too....and clearly it was not dependent solely on JT. There is some trigger here because it seems like the perimeter players blow up at the same time. Maybe it's just the competition...

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    did we win this - or did the Hawks give one away?
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    was our D good tonight, or did Atlanta really play that bad ? or was it a mixture of both ?
    I think we just hit so many three pointers that we took all the wind out of their sails, and there wasn't that much to begin with.

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    You make some good points. I would like to know, however, if there is a tendency to defer to JO that hinders the team and particularly ball movement. It just seems that when Dunleavy gets hot, Granger does too....and clearly it was not dependent solely on JT. There is some trigger here because it seems like the perimeter players blow up at the same time. Maybe it's just the competition...
    I just think thats how it is. If one guy gets hot other perimeter players feed off of it. The Seattle Supersonics got a fluke 50 win season out of Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis staying ridiculously hot for 90% of the season. Unfortunately Dun and Granger are not Ray Ray and Shard.
    To me its just one of those things. I don't think this game tells us that much about this team. Just like I don't think that Memphis game tells us a whole lot.
    Granger shot 5/6 from the arc and Dun shot 4/6 from the arc. I don't think that has anything to do with gameplanning. Just hitting their shots for once.

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    On a scale from 1 to 10, Ike Diogu was absolutely horrible tonight.

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    On a scale from 1 to 10, Ike Diogu was absolutely horrible tonight.
    In other news, the sky is blue and the grass is green.

    Ike sucks.

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    Ok, what was different tonight?

    This is what showed up in the box score:
    1) Far less shooting by JO
    2) Far more shooting and effectiveness by other players, not just Granger and Dun.

    That is all.
    Really, that's all????

    Because a 9 of 12 spot from behind the arc by the wings is par for course.
    Come on man, they did what they've done several times this season, shoot their way into a victory.

    Or was tonight finally the night guys were "open". Not according to JOB it wasn't, by his count they are open all the time and miss shots, as in "we lost tonight because guys missed open shots".

    I predict that the Pacers will win 80% of the games they go 52% from 3 on 20+ attempts at the very least. Call me crazy, but that's how I roll when I'm not busting outta bathrooms with a big Indian at my side.


    In a happier tone, THANK FREAKING GOD! This doesn't save the season or flip it back to "hey, this is how it goes with .500 teams", it's too little too late for that. Now they need to go win some surprise games on the road to get back to that status. But at least they dodged the "we're F'd" stage...for now.

    Oh, and they also decided to totally destroy them just so they could also confuse the heck out of us as we try to figure them out.
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    Ok, what was different tonight?

    This is what showed up in the box score:
    1) Far less shooting by JO
    2) Far more shooting and effectiveness by other players, not just Granger and Dun.

    That is all.
    I looked at the shot chart for JONeal...and he took 6 of his shots from the Low-Post ( between 2 to 5 feet from the basket ) where he hit 5 of those shots. Outside of the paint...he only hit 1 of the 5 shots he took.

    That is what we need from our PF......take only efficient shots that he has a good chance of making. If JONeal only took shots like this...then he would be way more effective in this offense.
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    The more JO gets touches, the more DG and DunDun will vanish...and the more likely we struggle to score points efficiently. None of this should be a surprise.

    This only happens when DG and Dun don't move when JO has the ball....when they move, JO draws the double and gets the ball to them for a good shot!

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    I'm just glad I didn't get mad and leave before the 4th quarter started this time. Progress? I sure hope so.
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