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  • Quietly and without fanfare

    Troy Murphy has regained the starting 5 spot, or 4 spot depending on your point of view.

    Since such a big deal was made about Jeff regaining his starters spot I thought somebody should point out that Troy has now started several games in a row and is listed as the starter tonight. Jeff is not injured at the moment, enough to keep him out of the starting lineup anyway.

    Late the Murphy bashing begin.


    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't anybody tell Anthem. We'll let him continue to believe that Foster will be the starter.


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    Re: Quietly and without fanfare

    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    Troy Murphy has regained the starting 5 spot, or 4 spot depending on your point of view.
    I know it's just semantics and a pet peeve, but when Jermaine and Troy are on the floor at the same time, Jermaine is the guy playing center. I have no clue as to how anyone could logically call Troy the center.

    Make a list of things a center does, a list of things Jermaine does and a list of things Troy does and anyone with a brain would conclude that Jermaine is far closer to being a center.

    It's like saying Oberto or Robert Horry is the center when they're on the floor with Duncan. Tim Duncan hasn't played anything but center for the Spurs since 2003. I understand there are things pertaining to the all-star ballot when listing him as a PF, but the guy has been the Spurs' center since 2003. That's as plain as day.

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    • #3
      Re: Quietly and without fanfare

      Whenever Murphy and JO are on the floor it's a sure bet that JO plays at Center and Murphy at PF. The reason for this is obvious: JO's a much better defender and Troy Murphy doesn't like playing underneath the basket.

      If Foster rotates in to sub for Murphy, JO slides over to PF. On the other hand, if Ike rotates in JO may remain at Center or he might slide to PF depending on the matchups on the floor. Regardless, I think JO has played more Center this year than PF, but he has certainly filled in at both positions.

      As to why Murphy is once again starting over Foster, that much should be pretty apparent, too. Because of his ability to knock down 3pters, Murphy spreads the defense alot more than Foster. However, I think I get where Peck's coming from.

      Foster and JO play off each other very well and as much as I'd like to see start at Center, he's not a scoring Center. As such, his lack of offensive firepower allows he man to shag off him and bring help defense against JO. Every now and then, we've seen Foster fool folk and knock down a mid-range jumper. He's been given the go-ahead to take shots, but he's still showing hesitation out there and that's what makes him an offensive liability at times. Still, opposing teams have to respect Foster for his ability to distribute the ball and gobble up rebounds. To that, I certainly give Foster credit. For once, though, I'd love to see him have one game where he scores well from the field and not get the majority of his points off gimme tips and layups.

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      • #4
        Re: Quietly and without fanfare

        Murphy represents precisely what does not work in the playoffs. That is, he completely lacks defensive skills.

        You can go over Foster, but not easily through him or by him.

        You can go through JO, but not easily over him or by him.

        You can go through Murphy, over him or by him easily.

        As long as Murphy is starting and getting big minutes, you can forget about going very far in the playoffs. It's and impossibility.

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        • #5
          Re: Quietly and without fanfare

          Murphy on the year, -23.
          Murphy in the 5 games prior to Minny, +47

          So yes, he's been hot. It's also the definition of ABOUT TIME. A +47 and still well in the red.

          Credit due thought, he's the top +/- guy in that 5 game stretch and Foster is only +12 in those same games.

          (also note, Granger +43, JO +39, both nice turnarounds too)

          He shot 36% from 3, 47% from 2 in that period. 6.6 REB, 1.8 STL+BLK Not great but solid.
          Much of this for Troy was in the 3 games of TOR, MIA, NYK. In each of those games he had a clear impact point.

          TOR - Shot horribly but had 10 boards and 4 STL+BLK
          MIA - Shot horribly but had 9 boards and 3 S+B
          NYK - 5-8 from 3, nuff said. Throw in 9 boards too.

          But back to the Jeff vs Troy overall thing. Troy has 4 games of double digit rebounds and a 6.6 average. Jeff has 9 and the 8.9 average. Troy had 5 assists vs PHI, but so did Jeff. Jeff had less minutes in the MIA-NYK games and still matched his 9 rebound effort.

          IMO this might be an effort by JOB to get some depth and composure in the bench by moving Jeff there because honestly no one in their right and fair mind would suggest that Troy was even close to defending at Jeff's level, and we all know that JOB loves that. Given that Troy was starting despite a 3pt number that is poor without the one 5-8 game in these recent games (starting before that night), I just don't see much that would say to JOB "I got to get Troy out there", other than chemistry issues with the bench.

          Given the jump in Granger's +/- too, maybe there is something to getting them on the court together. I don't know. Maybe it helps space the defenders across all minutes rather than having Jeff, Danny and JO playing so much together.
          Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 12-22-2007, 06:23 PM.

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            Re: Quietly and without fanfare

            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't anybody tell Anthem. We'll let him continue to believe that Foster will be the starter.
            Oh, he will be. Murphy got the spot back while Foster was injured, and Foster's back's still flaring up (note the low minutes last night). Once Foster's healthy again, Murph will be back on the bench.

            But he's been playing well recently. Despite the upswing on his shot, I'd still like him a lot more if he only shot the 3 in desperation. He's got a nice touch around the basket and he's much more mobile with the weight off. If he'd think of himself as an interior PF, he'd be a much better player.

            Still not better than JO, Foster, or Ike, but sometimes better than Shawne. And much closer to being worth his contract.
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            • #7
              Re: Quietly and without fanfare

              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
              Murphy on the year, -23.
              Murphy in the 5 games prior to Minny, +47

              So yes, he's been hot. It's also the definition of ABOUT TIME. A +47 and still well in the red.

              Credit due thought, he's the top +/- guy in that 5 game stretch and Foster is only +12 in those same games.

              (also note, Granger +43, JO +39, both nice turnarounds too)

              He shot 36% from 3, 47% from 2 in that period. 6.6 REB, 1.8 STL+BLK Not great but solid.
              Much of this for Troy was in the 3 games of TOR, MIA, NYK. In each of those games he had a clear impact point.

              TOR - Shot horribly but had 10 boards and 4 STL+BLK
              MIA - Shot horribly but had 9 boards and 3 S+B
              NYK - 5-8 from 3, nuff said. Throw in 9 boards too.

              But back to the Jeff vs Troy overall thing. Troy has 4 games of double digit rebounds and a 6.6 average. Jeff has 9 and the 8.9 average. Troy had 5 assists vs PHI, but so did Jeff. Jeff had less minutes in the MIA-NYK games and still matched his 9 rebound effort.

              IMO this might be an effort by JOB to get some depth and composure in the bench by moving Jeff there because honestly no one in their right and fair mind would suggest that Troy was even close to defending at Jeff's level, and we all know that JOB loves that. Given that Troy was starting despite a 3pt number that is poor without the one 5-8 game in these recent games (starting before that night), I just don't see much that would say to JOB "I got to get Troy out there", other than chemistry issues with the bench.

              Given the jump in Granger's +/- too, maybe there is something to getting them on the court together. I don't know. Maybe it helps space the defenders across all minutes rather than having Jeff, Danny and JO playing so much together.
              Please, no more +/- stats. They're as close to worthless as can be. I BEG of you all. Stop already. Think about the children.

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                Last edited by LG33; 12-22-2007, 07:24 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Quietly and without fanfare

                  Originally posted by Peck View Post
                  Troy Murphy has regained the starting 5 spot, or 4 spot depending on your point of view.
                  But the real question is, is Troy Murphy half-decent or half-empty?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Quietly and without fanfare

                    Originally posted by Shade View Post
                    Please, no more +/- stats. They're as close to worthless as can be. I BEG of you all. Stop already. Think about the children.
                    Pacers 12 man +/- vs Washington: +8
                    I don't know, that doesn't seem all that worthless.

                    Now you explain to me how valuable all of Dun's points were in the Minnesota game. I think I've found a worthless stat, PPG.

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                      Re: Quietly and without fanfare

                      My guess is the only reason Murphy is starting is because Jeff was injured.

                      But also the coahcing staff might realize that it is better for all concerned to keep Jeff's minutes below 30.

                      Plus we know OB wants a shooting power forward

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                      • #12
                        Re: Quietly and without fanfare

                        Originally posted by Shade View Post
                        Please, no more +/- stats. They're as close to worthless as can be. I BEG of you all. Stop already. Think about the children.
                        I second that notion. With a resounding "Please Already!".

                        +/- is based on who your on the floor with at that particular time and the chemistry you have with those particular players. Also, amazingly , whether you win the game or not . You look at the box scores (its on yahoo box scores now for some reason), and the team that wins has mostly all (+) players, the team that loses has mostly all (-) players. Imagine that. Its simple mathematics.

                        Its a useless stat.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Quietly and without fanfare

                          I don't want a center whose best offensive move is jacking up 3 balls.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Quietly and without fanfare

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            My guess is the only reason Murphy is starting is because Jeff was injured.

                            But also the coahcing staff might realize that it is better for all concerned to keep Jeff's minutes below 30.

                            Plus we know OB wants a shooting power forward

                            I really don't see how Shawne can't fill that role. He started one game at power forward and had 20 and 10. JOB keeps saying we are too deep at the wing spot for shawne to get PT but what about murphy's minutes... good god, I thought he played terrible for the most part last night.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Quietly and without fanfare

                              Originally posted by arenn View Post
                              I don't want a center whose best offensive move is jacking up 3 balls.
                              Agreed.
                              This space for rent.

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