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Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

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  • #46
    Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

    Originally posted by muppetgal View Post
    so this movie just came out in scotland on boxing day, so I've only seen it recently.

    the thing that is bothering me is the death of Sam. I want to know what he injected her with, what your thoughts are on that.

    here are mine:

    I doubt very much he wanted to see her turn, so personally think he gave her something to kill her rather than the vaccine. I'm conflicted as to whether he then had to kill her himself because it didn't work fast enough and she turned anyway, or if he was just struggling to stop her from biting him until she passed.

    I know of no one who would CHOOSE to put themselves in a position where they would have to kill/choke/strangle their best and only friend

    He didn't think the vaccine worked at all, so why bother trying? Or if he did give her the vaccine why did he then not give her at least overnight to react, as he had given the rat at least one night to see. I realise he only gave the human moments to decide it didn't work, but still....Sam was not the same size as the human.
    I skimmed the movie to the part where he gives the female darkseeker the vaccine that he was testing, and then to when he gave Sam something by injection. It appears to me that he gave Sam the vaccine. Both liquids were purple, and when he brought Sam down to the lab, he got whatever he injected her with from the same container/cooler that he got the vaccine from when he gave it to his female darkseeker test subject.

    My opinion is that he gave Sam the vaccine, but he was still wacked out from having gone through being snared and attacked and was in a panic. I think had he been thinking clearly, he could've given Sam the vaccine and contained her somehow until the vaccine had a chance to work.

    I also give some credence to the theory that he didn't want to see her turn. I'm sure he was emotionally attached enough to her that he wouldn't have necessarily wanted to use her for testing the vaccine. His attachment to her also could be seen as a motivating factor FOR using her, given the situation, and that giving her the vaccine would be the only possible way she would survive, even if the possibility was remote.

    Good question and good discussion....

    On another note, my 7 year old daughter had a friend spend the night last night (another 7 year old girl) and the friend's grandmother told us that they had taken her to see I Am Legend because "she said she wanted to see it." Of course, they tried to tell her she would be scared, but she insisted (how you let a seven year old INSIST anything is beyond me...) so they took her and then they had to leave after 15-20 minutes because, BIG SURPRISE, she was scared.

    The reason for this rant is that it frustrates me to no end when I see parenting (by parents or grandparents or anyone else) this worthless. I'm sure it is not the norm, but we seem to come across SO many children who get to do whatever they want, and seem to dictate to their parents what they are/aren't going to do. Our kids have very few good friends because there just aren't that many quality children out there that we will let them spend time with. Today's revelation about my daughter's friend going to see this movie caught me by surprise, because for the most part, her friend is pretty cool and a pretty nice girl.

    Sorry, just had to get that out to someone other than my wife. We have been discussing it since her friend left....If anyone who reads this has something to add about this subject, I would love to hear other opinions, even if it is off-topic for this thread....This thread seems to be nearing the end of it's usefulness anyway!

    BTW, I found a very good dvdrip of I Am Legend, and used Ulead movie maker (I think that's what it's called) to convert the AVI to an ISO, and then burned it to dvd. I now get to watch it on the big screen without having to hook up my laptop to the tv....That's good because the connection between the laptop and the tv is problematic and causes minor problems with the picture quality....I'm excited to be able to simply put in a dvd and watch it!



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    • #47
      Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

      Originally posted by heywoode View Post
      My opinion is that he gave Sam the vaccine, but he was still wacked out from having gone through being snared and attacked and was in a panic. I think had he been thinking clearly, he could've given Sam the vaccine and contained her somehow until the vaccine had a chance to work.
      Thinking back, didn't he choke the dog to death? Seems like I remember that happening, maybe he tried the vaccine, realized it was useless and then decided to strangle the dog.

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      • #48
        Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

        Popping in to say that I bought the book last week and I'm about half way through. VERY different than the movie, and I'm liking it better overall.

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        • #49
          Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

          Originally posted by Irk Woodsman View Post
          Thinking back, didn't he choke the dog to death? Seems like I remember that happening, maybe he tried the vaccine, realized it was useless and then decided to strangle the dog.
          He definitely had to choke Sam out and kill her. It was because she started turning and the vaccine had not had a chance to work. This is where I was thinking that he wasn't thinking clearly because he should have known that it wouldn't work quickly if the vaccine worked at all. The human he had given the vaccine only started showing signs of changing back after he lowered it's body temperature with ice and the vaccine had been given a day to work.

          He should have given Sam the vaccine and contained her, knowing that she would turn before the vaccine had time to work. I feel like she would've maybe died from her bite wounds before the vaccine worked even if she was contained. Had he been able to stabilize her wounds AND contain her, the vaccine probably would've saved her life.

          I think those things weren't meant to be in the script because it was losing Sam that drove him to decide to end it all and that led to meeting (and being saved by) Anna.



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          • #50
            Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

            I think I need to watch this again so I have something else to rant/talk/whine/post/gripe/opine about, and so this thread doesn't die!

            C'mon Newman, you were watching the movie every friggin' day for a week or so there...you got nothing else to say?!



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            • #51
              Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

              I finished the book several days ago (turns out I was close to the end, not the middle; the second half of the book is a collection of other, shorter, and believe it or not STRANGER stories from the author).

              I liked it a lot better than the movie. I'd give the movie a B- and I'd give the book an A-. I love that the author goes to great lengths to create a scientifically explainable vampire. The story also has a big twist I wasn't expecting (which the movie doesn't even touch, nor could it considering how it portrays the infected). I also like how the book's infected act compared to the movies.

              The movie OK, but the book was quite good.

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              • #52
                Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                I am still trying to find time to watch 'Lost in Translation.' That's how far behind I am, so I haven't seen this...did see the Omega Man long ago, based on the same book.

                I just wanted to give a plug to a couple of collections of strange stories, since Mal mentioned some. 'Space by the Tale', by Jerome Bixby (wrote some of the original Star Trek episodes), and 'Dangerous Visions' edited by Harlan Ellison (A Boy and His Dog). Really fine weird stuff.

                Sorry. Now back to the cinema!


                [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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                • #53
                  Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                  Originally posted by Mal View Post
                  I finished the book several days ago (turns out I was close to the end, not the middle; the second half of the book is a collection of other, shorter, and believe it or not STRANGER stories from the author).
                  I liked it a lot better than the movie. I'd give the movie a B- and I'd give the book an A-. I love that the author goes to great lengths to create a scientifically explainable vampire. The story also has a big twist I wasn't expecting (which the movie doesn't even touch, nor could it considering how it portrays the infected). I also like how the book's infected act compared to the movies.

                  The movie OK, but the book was quite good.
                  I didn't realize that either going into the book. It kinda pi$$ed me off at first, I was reading a story about a guy throwing ping-pong balls into a fishbowl at a carnival and thought it was some sort of flashback. I read half of the next story before I knew what was going on. If the writer would have put more in about how the vampires were so afraid of him,( maybe Neville escapes for a while and women and children vamps run away screaming in fear) the ending would have been much better and the book would have gone from an A- to an A+.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                    I read the book, and like both of you guys I was mislead by the length. I was planning on reading the other stories but I left the friggin book at my parent's house in Indiana on accident, does anyone know if they are worth reading?

                    The book and the movie both have their pros and cons, both give an intimate view of Robert Neville albeit in VERY different ways. I actually think Neville's human emotional response to everything that has happened to the world is better illustrated in the book rather than the movie, his constant drinking and tirades and such.

                    Also the way the book ends is totally different than that in the movie, the ending is much more intriguing in the book I think and much more in tone with the story's initial sci-fi bend. Many science fiction stories are transformed into drama stories when they are released to the bigscreen, to make them more easily accessible to the masses. All I'll say without spoiling the book is that the original, more scientifically explained ending opens up many more avenues for the story.

                    I favor the book slightly over the movie, if only the book had utilized Bob Marley's "Three Little Birds" so well. I have all of Bob's CD's and have seen many Jamaican and other foreign films that utilize his songs and his legendary appeal, but I am Legend ranks right up there with the top of them.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                      Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
                      I read the book, and like both of you guys I was mislead by the length. I was planning on reading the other stories but I left the friggin book at my parent's house in Indiana on accident, does anyone know if they are worth reading?
                      The book and the movie both have their pros and cons, both give an intimate view of Robert Neville albeit in VERY different ways. I actually think Neville's human emotional response to everything that has happened to the world is better illustrated in the book rather than the movie, his constant drinking and tirades and such.

                      Also the way the book ends is totally different than that in the movie, the ending is much more intriguing in the book I think and much more in tone with the story's initial sci-fi bend. Many science fiction stories are transformed into drama stories when they are released to the bigscreen, to make them more easily accessible to the masses. All I'll say without spoiling the book is that the original, more scientifically explained ending opens up many more avenues for the story.

                      I favor the book slightly over the movie, if only the book had utilized Bob Marley's "Three Little Birds" so well. I have all of Bob's CD's and have seen many Jamaican and other foreign films that utilize his songs and his legendary appeal, but I am Legend ranks right up there with the top of them.
                      I don't remember them all, but I'd wait until you come across the book again rather than putting any effort into tracking it down just to read them. From what I can remember they aren't that good.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                        I was frustrated that the main story was over so I gave up reading them after a handful. I did enjoy the one about the Hunter doll, though; that was good.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                          I still haven't picked up the book...I got Quiet Strength (Tony Dungy memoir) for Christmas and have been reading that for a couple weeks. I usually only read when I'm in the bathroom, so it is slow going, although it is a fast read. I will definitely be picking up I Am Legend soon and hope to be having some conversation about it.

                          Thanks to all who read the book for posting thoughts on it; you all have definitely motivated me to acquire it and devote time to reading it.



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                          • #58
                            Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                            Originally posted by Mal View Post
                            I was frustrated that the main story was over so I gave up reading them after a handful. I did enjoy the one about the Hunter doll, though; that was good.
                            I forgot about that one. I think that there was a movie made about that one too, I kept getting flashbacks of the movie while reading it. I have no idea what it was called, I was probably 5 or 6 years old when I saw it.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                              It was in a trilogy, "Trilogy of Terror". There is alot about Matheson that I didn't know, He wrote some of the most popular "Twilight Zone" stories and alot of movies (Stir of Echo's, What Dreams May Come) as well as alot of books. Steven Spielberg got his career jumpstarted with "Duel", another one of Matheson's stories. He was a busy man. http://www.scifistation.com/matheson...son_index.html

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                              • #60
                                Re: Official "I Am Legend" discussion thread (SPOILERS GALORE, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!)

                                I Am Legend was half Oscar caliber, half epitome of what is wrong with current filmmaking.

                                Given the strength of films like 28 Days Later why in the world would you opt for total CGI human mutants created basically the exact same way (virus)?

                                But hey, why stop there when you can CGI the deer, lions and even a freaking car (or two I assume)? Rather than learn to edit, do some in camera tricks and pony up for an interesting practical why not just hand it over to the computer geeks. Freaking UGH!

                                And then you see the hands of Akiva all over this script. There is no good reason for a mutant "leader" with his own attack dogs and a plan to get Smith, not as the mutants are portrayed otherwise at least.


                                They were sitting with this homerun story of isolation ala Cast Away with Smith more than capable of delivering (which he does), paired with some slightly pushy but nonetheless solid religious/fate undertones, and apparently for the sake of meeting standard script motivations they forced in a literal protagonist to drive things forward when the situation itself was more than enough to handle this on it's own.

                                Pull a Dawn of the Dead situation, let the dog get killed just by chance, let Will honestly hurt himself while out, the risk of just being alone in the world when it's falling apart and unsafe, and let him go on a losing-his-mind rampage of zombie killing more like the Dawn sniping sequence or something.

                                This freaking brilliant film was just sitting there to be taken and some a'hole tried to turn it into a Bruckheimer film. A+ for all the stuff that wasn't that (including the Marley angle which worked well), and a big F you to the stuff that was.

                                I will drive to CA and punch the next filmmaker that features a humanoid opening his mouth to unreal proportions (ahem Raimi, you made the list for Spidey 3).
                                Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 01-14-2008, 02:31 AM.

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