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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
You're right. I realized that after posting. It was obviously a Freudian slip by me.
The failed leadership in the city has been addressed with the election. However, the problems in the city of Indianapolis are not uncommon. Many other cities, for example Milwaukee, are having more problems. This is a national issue related to our trade and immigration policies.
As for the Pacers, its debatable whether there needs to be a leadership change. I think if a poll was taken, it would be pretty split. If Bird was not so popular and/or famous, his head would be on the chopping block right now.Comment
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"They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.
"'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."Comment
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And I won't be here to see the day
It all dries up and blows away
I'd hang around just to see
But they never had much use for me
In Levelland. (James McMurtry)Comment
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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
LOL at interviewing Kenton Keith. I'm not sure I could recognize that guy without his jersey on.
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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
I don't go to any clubs....not since you were probably in diapers. In the late 80's, no I did not go to black clubs. That's one of the reasons I admire that guy's friend. He should be admired for stepping out because whites are less likely to do so. JMHO.Comment
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"They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.
"'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."Comment
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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
That's actually a pretty good article, but the "black players" comment at the start could probably have been worded better. He might get in trouble.Comment
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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
I think he interviewed black players from the Colts because it's not all that likely that he'd find very many white players that have been to Cloud 9 or clubs like it that are marketed towards the black community. As a black person, I'm not at all offended by that. It's the truth.Comment
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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
who is kravitz offending?
i don't see that at all... jamaal is a young black man, kravitz is neither young nor black. the club in question has a clientèle that falls into those categories. if you as a right-handed person wanted to know how it felt for a left-handed person to live in a right-handed world, you wouldn't ask right-handed people. could jeff saturday accurately tell kravitz how it must feel to be young, black and rich in indianapolis? i don't see what kravitz wrote as insensitive at all.
EDIT: i suppose i could have simply said Evan_the_Dude FTWThis is the darkest timeline.Comment
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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
I think what he means is that black players can better react to it because, like it or not, the Indy fans tend to have a bigger reaction to black players going to clubs and staying out late and buying cars than they do to white players. I don't get what the big deal is. People's reactions here make me think of www.blackpeopleloveus.com. Race is a HUGE issue in this country and in sports. And a lot of people choose to ignore that. Kravitz does not. I have no problem with that statement or the article. Good piece.Comment
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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
Wow, you must have used more time reading it than I did writing it. Anyways it was a rant, we had someone shot to death at a family video, at 7pm a couple nights ago in a decent part of town here in fort wayne . I have no room to speak about the deteriation of society in Indy specificly becuase it is happening everywhere, however don't blame tinsley for a degenerate who tried to kill him. That thug is probably a local.
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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
I've approached this answer many different times, and every time I type something I stopped myself before I went down a road where I end up writing a 25,000 word paper. So this isn't the totality of my argument. I'll hold myself to two points:
-The two biggest problems facing athletes in regards to their safety are their wealth and their fame. Their personalities, my guess is, is third. Race is pretty far down. Last I checked, the ENTIRE Colts roster has avoided trouble, and the Colts have, to say the least, quite a few black players.
-The fact that white Colts players wouldn't have any valuable advice for avoiding trouble is absurd.
I can appreciate the nuance of adding race to this particular equation. And I'm not calling Kravitz a racist. This is a subtle thing. And it isn't a huge deal.
Okay, I'm stopping myself again. I've got friends over and they are begging me to eat. So I'll take a stab at summing this up: The idea that white players couldn't understand and relate to Tinsley's situation (and vice versa) is stupid. It isn't the end of the world and I'm not calling for Kravitz' head. It just simply made me roll my eyes.The Miller Time Podcast on 8 Points, 9 Seconds:
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Re: Kravitz: Colts players go out also, I'm shocked
Ok, did anybody else think of all of the Colts players in a kindergarten?
Sad but true."When you go out, you can't have the mind-set that everybody there is happy for your success.
Marquis / Owens / Jack / Snap?but you want to make sure you have a safe outlet. You never know when people might be trying to set you up. When you go out with a bunch of other people, at least if something happens, you have witnesses.'
Interesting.When I asked Brackett about athletes restricting themselves to clubs that don't have metal detectors, he looked at me quizzically and said, "If you want to go to a black club in this city, you're going through a metal detector.''
Seriously?
"Seriously,'' he said.This space for rent.Comment
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