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    First off, I know this recent event w/Jamaal Tinsley has a few of you bummed and wanting to jump ship, picket outside the Fieldhouse or otherwise boycott my boyz, but fear not. Mike Wells and Mark Montieth put the situation very clearly in perspective. Yes, it is unfortunate that there's been yet another night club incident involving our starting PG, but by all accounts Jamaal was the victim in this case. Besides, how many of you wouldn't attend an after-party in honor of a popular music artist if you had the chance? When you take a step back and really look at the situation for what it is, you really can't be too hard on him. After all, he was in good company escorted by his own personal security w/the team's equipment manager in tow no less.

    Just had to clear the air on that note to say let's not jump ship on our team despite how the situation looks. What we all need to do is focus on this team going forward. Hence, the following:

    When comparing the Pacers to the top team in the league, the Boston Celtics, it's not hard to be upbeat for their chances of success moving through the month of December and into early January 2008. I've harped on the Celtics' soft schedule a few times in recent weeks. After watching SportsCenter this morning (12/13/07), it would seem I'm not alone in this view. Bill Walton even said so himself. Consider the following:

    Celtics, 18-2

    Home Games: 11
    Away Games: 9

    Games against WC teams: 4
    - NW div: 1
    - Pac div: 3
    - SW div: 0 (this is perhaps the toughest division in the league w/the Spurs, Mavs, Rockets and Hornets all above .500!)

    Games against EC teams: 16
    - ATL div: 6
    - Cen div: 4
    - SW div: 6

    Games against +.500 teams: 7
    Games against -.500 teams: 9
    (Count is team-for-team and does not account for teams faced 2 times or more)

    Pacers, 11-11

    Home Games: 11
    Away Games: 11

    Games against WC teams: 11
    - NW div: 4
    - Pac div: 3
    - SW div: 4

    Games against EC teams: 11
    - ATL div: 4
    - Cen div: 3
    - SW div: 4

    Games against +.500 teams: 10
    Games against -.500 teams: 6
    (Count is team-for-team and does not account for teams faced 2 times or more)

    What the above tells me is the Pacers aren't doing bad right now. I've seen lots of improvement from Dunleavy to Williams to Harrison. The effort is there. The desire to win is there. Players understand their weaknesses and are working together to strengthen and support each other even if it means pointing out misques during the game. What impresses me the most is that for a team under a new coach with a new offense and several new faces, plus having played against 11 WC teams and played 11 road games, this team is still very much in the fight. They're currently ranked 13th in the league as far as their win/loss record and would be the 6th seed in the East if the playoffs were to start today.

    So, things aren't looking too bad for my boyz. December might prove to be the month were the Pacers get a few breaks. Their next few games are against some teams who are struggling right now. If they can get on a winning streak they could begin to separate themselves from the lower ranked teams and finally rub elbows again with some the league's elite.

    GO PACERS! Let's make some positive noise to close out 2007!!

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    Nice info, NuffSaid.

    Compelling argument for the Ps having even a better next few weeks.
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    In more positive news... (didn't really warrant a new thread)

    Is anyone starting to feel better about Jamaal's shooting? I did some number crunching... in 3 of the last 5 games he has shot 50% or better, overall 46% from the field and 52% !!!!! from beyond the arc. Jamaal improving his shot selection and three point shooting is a very good thing for the pacers, I just hope its not an abberation and he keeps it up.
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    Anyone think that with JO being back it is helping Tinsley with his shot selection. He doesnt have to take as many bad shots, maybe? I havent been able to watch the games so im just wondering if this is a factor in Tinsley's improved shooting.

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    Well with JO back in the fold, Jamaal doesn't have to score as much. I still think they like him to attack the defense and make the other point guard have to try and defend. In the last 10 games Jamaal is shooting .413 FG% and .357 3PT% he's also getting 5.5 RPG, 9.3 APG, 2.8 SPG and scoring 18 point a game. That's on 15.5 shots per game including 4 three's which is way above the norm for his career. I don't know if that's reflective of the "uptempo" offense or he's just shooting more. It really doesn't matter to me cause the guy's playing great. Not just by Jamaal Tinsley standards either.

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    Nuff Said - great post, not the message either but the stats to back the case. Anyone can say "rah team". It's a lot more compelling when it's backed with facts.

    The only thing that worries me is the Cavs game. They've had a few others like this as well. They lack a solid cohesiveness for big chunks of games, something I blame on the bench mostly. Clearly JOB is still trying to sort things out with the rotations, and the return of Ike should also help.

    But it's not hard to see that they could really use consistent play from Danny and Shawne, as well as being able to count on David and Rush. Those 4 plus Ike could settle things. Oh, and Quis healthy.

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    In more positive news... (didn't really warrant a new thread)

    Is anyone starting to feel better about Jamaal's shooting? I did some number crunching... in 3 of the last 5 games he has shot 50% or better, overall 46% from the field and 52% !!!!! from beyond the arc. Jamaal improving his shot selection and three point shooting is a very good thing for the pacers, I just hope its not an abberation and he keeps it up.
    Better shot selection - not even close. Dude is shooting 3s from DEEP behind the arc, enough that QB and Denari were going on and on about it. And his array of inside shots is identical to what he's used for 4-5 years now.

    But I've never had a big problem with his selection. It's his ability to make what should be decent looks that's bugged me. He still puts up some duds both inside and out. However like Dunleavy and the 3 ball, having those makable shots go in sure does make his game look 100% better.

    If Tins keeps hitting the 3 like he has lately that will help keep the passing lanes to the inside open for nice assists, and he can make good on those.

    Still I'll have to admit that the place my fingers are most crossed for "keep it up" purposes are the Dun 3pt shot and David keeping his cool and his feet on the ground on defense. Those are monster factors in this team playing better.

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