Here's ESPN's take:
Here's ESPN's take:
Yeah and if you look here, there are plenty-o-ignorant comment:
ESPN actually covered it with taste. I'm glad they stated that pro-athletes have become targets. Because after reading this entire thread thats what I was thinking about. Athletes and the amount of money they make are what is causing this. Someone mentioned jealousy thats a big part of it. These guys on the Pacers,Colts and any pro franchise are going to have to realize that they are going to be in confrontations because some are looking for an easy lawsuit. As long as CNN,ESPN and others plaster the criminals faces on TV others will follow looking for their 15 minutes of fame. IMHO... Tins did nothing wrong.
"He wanted to get to that money time. Time when the hardware was on the table. That's when Roger was going to show up. So all we needed to do was stay close"
Darnell Hillman (Speaking of former teammate Roger Brown)
As long as Tinsley did not shoot or fight with anyone....then I don't see him doing anything wrong here. This could have happened to any pro athelete out there.
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Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Dwight Freeney, Danny Granger, Mike Dunleavy, etc.......all of them just must be lucky. LOL!
What a pile of
When Paul Pierce got knifed outside a club, almost nobody walked around saying that it was fault for going to the club. They said "Wow, sucks to be Pierce, dude got knifed and could die." When he came back, it was a major success story. Tinsley got shot at with an assault rifle, and all anybody's talking about is the etymology of the word "thug" and the best places to get dinner on 38th Street.
I'm a family man, not a partier at all, and it's not hard for me to be out until midnight even if I have to be at work at 8 the next day. If I could sleep in until 11, had the day off anyway, and my three brothers were in town, I wouldn't feel bad at all about being out after midnight.
NBA players work nights. It's what they do. You think they play ball until 9:30 and are in bed by 10? Forget it. It's just like working swing shift... when I worked swing, I never went to bed before 2 or 3. This doesn't mean they're lazy or delinquent or anything else... it means they have a different work schedule than you do.
Tinsley did exactly the right thing here. He saw trouble developing, he left without talking to anyone, got in his car, and drove home. The fact that some crazy followed him with an AK-47 should tell you more about the dude packing the AK than Tinsley.
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I've never understood why these guys with all this money don't just party at home...eliminate the variable of jealous nut jobs.
Like it or not, Tinsley needs to stop doing whatever he's doing because it's getting unhealthy real quick. He could be dead right now. What if the Pacer trainer had been killed?
It's getting worse in Pacer land because someone is in the hospital with bullet wounds. Next time could be the morgue.
If other local celebs had the same issues, it would be different. But they don't. They are making the right decisions somehow....and there is such a thing. There is a level of responsibility they have to live up to, or the inevitable will happen whether it seems fair or not.
EDIT: BTW, I agree with what JOb had to say. There needs to be change, and no more passing the buck.
Last edited by BlueNGold; 12-09-2007 at 04:30 PM.
I think everyone gets it buddy. How many times do you have to post the same thing in one thread?
Anyways, how about in Honolulu when Marvin Harrison was alleged to have choked a kid that asked him for an autograph?
Tins did nothing wrong. I hope, however, he realizes that he is putting himself in dangerous situations and makes changes.
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"'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."
You people are so hilariously ridiculous. A man gets shot at while trying to avoid a situation by driving to a public place, and it's HIS fault?
My god, I'm so thankful I don't live in Indiana with you fools. I suppose when a girl gets raped it's her fault for looking hot at the club too, right? She should know not to go into the club with a mini skirt on. Dumb girl, bet she learned her lesson this time, got raped good.
Honestly, how do some of you even remember to breathe, the stupidity is astounding.
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Seriously, if he had his arms up protecting his head, I can see it happen. Considering he was already treated and released, I don't think the injuries were serious, thankfully.
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I'm with BlueNGold. Remember this is obviously Tinsley and his friends version of the story because they've yet to find the shooters. Who knows what happened at the club before they were followed and shot at. Maybe it was nothing, but with Tinsleys history I doubt it.
Dude's playing great though so I can handle it.
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I would imagine that partying at home gets pretty old after awhile. I'm not rich, but I have plenty of entertainment equipment/electronics to throw one hell of a party (I have been known to host events from time to time), but sometimes you just want to go out and be able to be in public like everybody else.
There is nothing wrong with him wanting to go out and be in public, able to enjoy a night out on the town with friends and/or family. I would agree that maybe he should consider different places to go and hang out, but he may not feel comfortable at some of the more upscale places. Just because one has money, it doesn't make them a socialite. Given the fact that a lot of gold diggers and hangers-on probably frequent the upscale places trolling for celebrities or wealthy people to cob onto, maybe he wanted to hang out outside the public eye and fly under the radar. The only problem with that is that when you are rich, it is obvious to people who aren't tend to get jealous and realize that you have so much to lose.
Tinsley (and others) is/are the victims here, and aside from the brother that returned fire, I'm fine with all of them getting nothing and I'm thankful nobody got hurt any worse than they did. The fool that was shooting back should face the same charges that Jackson faced after he decided to play Clive Owen in downtown Indy...Just because you are licensed to CARRY a firearm doesn't mean you are licensed to DISCHARGE said firearm. I could see a case of self defense when your life is in imminent danger where you wouldn't get charged with anything for firing your weapon. Maybe that will be the case here, maybe not.
I'm usually the first to condemn this type of behavior, but I see no reason this time why Tinsley deserves any punishment at all.
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You mean, the person who felt it appropriate to carry a loaded assault rifle in their car? Yeah, I really think THEY'RE going to come forward and give their side of the events. "Well, we didn't have any drive-bys on the schedule so we decided to see if we could jack a couple nice cars, then these guys drove too fast and it made us angry so we shot at them."
Look, if you're carrying an AK-47 around town, you're not some normal Joe who had one to many and went to get your piece from your truck. You're talking about somebody who wants to kill people (packing a Glock can be self-protection, but packing an AK means something different).
Tinsley's lucky... we could have gotten up this morning and the papers could have said "Pacers Star Point Guard Shot and Killed in Attempted Car-Jacking."
Last edited by Anthem; 12-09-2007 at 05:09 PM.
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Shooting back is not a crime. His life was being placed in danger, and he was responding accordingly. Even if he had shot and killed the guy with the AK, he would not be going to jail.