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    Getting back on topic, this thing will either blow over or it will really, really kill the Pacers in terms of PR. My Dad is always panning me how JT is a thug and that the Pacers are a "bunch of thugs" (even though I don't really think that is true at all) and although most of the people on this board who follow the Pacers closely can argue against this, this is all the average fans sees and all he cares to see. He/she isn't going to partake in some crazy in depth analysis, they'll simply pull their support from this team and do it quickly.
    I think it blows over. For goodness gracious, it's just another shooting. lol

    I don't even care. I have already learned it will take at least rape or murder by a player for me to stop tuning in. I think that must go for the majority of the Pacer fans who are left. In fact, we might even pick up some new fans from certain segments of society. lol.

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    However, you have been listening to the professors for too long. Businesses are in it to make money and are not responsible for the public welfare. Just because it seems fair for the Colts to "pony up", you just cannot base societal interests on such a whim. It's government's (ie. the general public) responsibility to reign them in by enacting laws and regulations.
    I think we agree way more than we disagree, I just wish the Colts as a whole had an owner who was a bit more of a humanitarian like Abe Polin, who by the way is amazingly wealthy but totally revitalized a whole area of DC in the process. I am a huge Colts fan but I think even a lot of us in Indianapolis can agree that the Irsays (Robert especially) are some of the more heartless owners in professional sports.

    From what I remember the area around the Fieldhouse was kinda shifty to say the least before the Fieldhouse itself was built. I may be wrong about this.

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    8 seconds saloon
    Cloud 9

    The only logical explanation is that Tinsley is huge numbers fan and is planning his next "incident" at club TEN (yes, the lesbian bar at 12th & Penn).

    One would also expect that after that there will only be one more occurrence after TEN since the Tin-man sports the number 11 on the court.

    Does Jamaal have plans to open his own club 11 thus sealing the fate of this numbers game?

    Stay tuned!


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    I'm in support of Jamaal Tinsley, at this point he's the victim no matter what his past is.

    I'm stoked he keeps a place downtown, the burbs are no place for a young rich man... ok yeah, the cornfield might provide a little more privacy

    Also Tin-man is playing out of his MIND right now.. I love it and I want him to stick around as long as possible. He's keeping it really interesting!

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    I think we agree way more than we disagree, I just wish the Colts as a whole had an owner who was a bit more of a humanitarian like Abe Polin, who by the way is amazingly wealthy but totally revitalized a whole area of DC in the process. I am a huge Colts fan but I think even a lot of us in Indianapolis can agree that the Irsays (Robert especially) are some of the more heartless owners in professional sports.
    I know we agree on goals. I am simply older and more jaded.

    As for the Irsays, you have them pegged. They are not the prototypical generous corporate citizen. There are people like that, but its not the norm...and more to the point, you cannot hold anyone to it without wielding a statute or two.

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    to hell wit PR
    just glad he's okay
    if you stop supporting a team because of something like this you're not a basketball fan and we don't need you

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    I agree the Colts got a handout from the state...and I am totally in agreement with some of the goals you seem to have in mind.

    However, you have been listening to the professors for too long. Businesses are in it to make money and are not responsible for the public welfare. Just because it seems fair for the Colts to "pony up", you just cannot base societal interests on such a whim. It's government's (ie. the general public) responsibility to reign them in by enacting laws and regulations.

    Our immigration and trade policies would be my place to start.
    If the enormous challenge of changing these "segments" of culture and trying to improve impoverished and undeprivileged situations and their accompanying problems are all on the gov't, I don't have a lot of faith.

    I would argue that your assertion that businesses are in it to make money and have no public responsibility is actually a symptom of the broader cultural problem. This really just communicates to the lower class that those with wealth and power don't care and that our culture does not support any shared attempt to help pull up people.

    Of course, it has to be a two way street. People have to do their part to improve themselves, as well. No argument there. But what is the likliehood of someone buying into that when the overarching message is nobody cares they are just out to make money. Everyone should be responsible for public welfare to the extent that we all form the community in which we reside.

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    to hell wit PR
    just glad he's okay
    if you stop supporting a team because of something like this you're not a basketball fan and we don't need you
    To hell with PR? We're 28th in attendance and we need all the fans we can get.

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    I wanted to drop in to say, Aw Heck, that avatar is classic.

    Secondly, and more importantly, from what I've read so far it sounds like Tinsley's only mistake was being there at all. Aside from that, he sounds like the (would be?) victim here.

    I still think people will hate him (not on PD, but in general) for this because they won't bother to read the stories. They'll only read "Jamaal Tinsley involved in shooting".

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    I really don't understand why rich athletes, who work so hard to get out of the ghetto, always manage to find themselves back in there.
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    to hell wit PR
    just glad he's okay
    if you stop supporting a team because of something like this you're not a basketball fan and we don't need you
    ...and you were appointed as the supreme opinion on this by whom?

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    If the enormous challenge of changing these "segments" of culture and trying to improve impoverished and undeprivileged situations and their accompanying problems are all on the gov't, I don't have a lot of faith.

    I would argue that your assertion that businesses are in it to make money and have no public responsibility is actually a symptom of the broader cultural problem. This really just communicates to the lower class that those with wealth and power don't care and that our culture does not support any shared attempt to help pull up people.

    Of course, it has to be a two way street. People have to do their part to improve themselves, as well. No argument there. But what is the likliehood of someone buying into that when the overarching message is nobody cares they are just out to make money. Everyone should be responsible for public welfare to the extent that we all form the community in which we reside.
    I think you make some good points. It would be nice if the business community took more responsibility. I just completely lack faith that will ever happen...and I don't see that as their role in society...but I do think you make a good argument that it could be a cultural problem of its own.....yet many businesses and people believe they do their part by paying taxes, and to a certain extent I agree with that. Complicated issue here...

    At the same time, businesses lobby our government officials and enact laws against the general public interest. That's where my undies get in a knot.

    It is this bad faith intent that gets my goat, not the good faith intent to compete in the marketplace without the added responsibility to support the general public welfare.

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    Can some one clear this up for me?

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    As they were leaving the club, they say some people outside were looking at their cars. There was an argument, and the Tinsley brothers and their friends left in three cars, all registered to Jamaal Tinsley, who was not present.
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    Jamaal Tinsley of the Pacers and several companions were shot at in three of Tinsley's vehicles by someone armed with an assault rifle outside the Conrad Hotel in Downtown Indianapolis early today, wounding a person who was with the athlete.

    Police said Joey Qatato, 48, was struck in both elbows as he sat with Tinsley in the player's Rolls Royce. The Pacers' Web site identifies Qatato as the team's equipment manager.
    Sgt. Paul Thompson, a spokesman for the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department, said two of the vehicles in Tinsley's group followed the shooters in a chase to Monument Circle, and Tinsley's brother, James, returned fire at the attackers. It was unknown whether anyone was hit. Jamaal Tinlsey was not involved in the chase, Thompson said.

    Authorities were called to the hotel where the initial shooting occurred at 50 W. Washington St. about 3:40 a.m.

    Thompson said the incident began at a club called "Cloud 9" on West 38th Street. A group was giving members of Tinsley's crew a hard time about the expensive cars they were driving – a Mercedes, Rolls Royce and a Dodge Charger – and the amount of money they made.

    Tinsley's group left the club but realized that they were being followed by a gray Chrysler and a dark pickup truck, Thompson said, so they pulled into the Conrad instead of going home.

    The shooting began after they reached the hotel, police said. The Rolls Royce was struck by several bullets. The Charger also was struck and was found to have five bullet holes, Thompson said.

    Police said the suspected weapon is a .223 assault rifle.

    Only one person was arrested on the scene -- Antoine Toon, 31, a member of the Tinsley group wanted on an unrelated warrant out of Georgia.

    Thompson said it could be determined later today whether James Tinsley, who had a gun permit, will face charges for returning fire at the other vehicles. Meanwhile, authorities are looking for the two vehicles driven by those who shot at Tinsley's group as they investigate the incident.

    Tinsley is scheduled to stand trial next month. He and teammate Marquis Daniels are due in court Jan. 14 on charges stemming from a bar fight at the 8 Seconds Saloon. A grand jury indicted Tinsley on a felony charge of intimidation, and misdemeanor counts of battery, disorderly conduct and intimidation from the Feb. 6 incident. Daniels is charged with battery and disorderly conduct, both misdemeanors.

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    How would you constitute a "ghetto club?"

    You're obviously a young guy (as am I) and you're trying to tell grown men what to do. What is LB going to do, call all of the Pacers at 10pm and ask them where they are, or better yet install tracking devices into their cars so he knows where they are at all times? That notion in and of itself is silly.

    If LB really thinks Tinsley could cause a major, major problem for himself or someone else he needs to trade him. If he meets with Tinsley and realizes that isn't the case, then he needs to keep him. There is no use trying to tell grown men how to run their lives.
    I don't think anyone should try to tell someone what to do. But if we must keep the hazard that is Tinsley, then give him(and the rest of the team) a curfew...or at least a set of guidlines or LB could go ask the Wizard for a backbone and not support the players that are idiots and have poor judgement. If this was the first time Tinsley was caught up in some scandal on 38th St, I'd let it slide...like I did with Shawne...everyone screws up. But Jamaal obviously has no plans to change his 'hood' lifestyle, which is fine, if he wants to do that it's his issue, over the past year or two he's in an "altercation" every few months. But if he won't change(and the prognosis isn't positive) then he needs to be on the first flight out of Indy.

    And a "ghetto club" is Club Rio...Tremors...Cloud 9. A "Non Ghetto Club" would be something like Six...Ice Ultra Lounge...Gelo Ultra Lounge....All very classy clubs where athletes are a lot of the time. But Tinsley doesn't seem to want to hang with that crowd, which again, is fine, it's his issue. But if he wants to flaunt his riches, he needs to go to the nice clubs so that he's not confronted. When you're driving a Rolls on dubs at 4:30am on 38th St. someone is bound to be drunk and get jealous and start something, you may not start the problems but you're putting yourself out there and not trying to hard to avoid that dangerous lifestyle. It's just stupidity on his part, IMO.

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    But of course, the title of the Star's Pacer article today:

    Shooting accuracy point of concern

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    IMO if it's in the best interest of the compnay, a boss has the right to tell an employee what to do in this context. Legally, the employee does NOT have to do it. But if you're willingly doing something that your employer honestly feels hurts his business.....

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    ...and you were appointed as the supreme opinion on this by whom?
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    na wtf everyone else states their opinion, but when i state mine i'm all of a sudden "the supreme opinion"..?
    if we were undefeated or we had superstars on our team like the Celtics we'd have plenty of attendance
    who doesn't go to a game because a team has "thugs" on their roster?
    a racist that's who
    yall concerned w/ everything BUT basketball
    but i'm not from Indy maybe i don't think like you all

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    I imagine it was not the greatest decision to be where Tinsley was at the time. But, these men are grown adults and I'm not about to tell them what they can and cannot do.

    My biggest concern was whether he was okay...and I'm glad he is.

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    na wtf everyone else states their opinion, but when i state mine i'm all of a sudden "the supreme opinion"..?
    if we were undefeated or we had superstars on our team like the Celtics we'd have plenty of attendance
    who doesn't go to a game because a team has "thugs" on their roster?
    a racist that's who

    yall concerned w/ everything BUT basketball
    but i'm not from Indy maybe i don't think like you all

    Ummmm......I was not under the impression "Thug" had anything to do with race.

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    My biggest concern was whether he was okay...and I'm glad he is.
    That was the only thing I thought about when I read about this.

    The reports on this seem sketchy though. In the same article they say that Jamaal was involved in a shooting with his brothers, and then they say that he wasn't there. Was he there or was he not? It doesn't make a difference to me either way, as long as he's ok, but it still seems like the reporters are not sure if he was there or not.

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    Ummmm......I was not under the impression "Thug" had anything to do with race.
    well w/ all do respect
    you're naive and/or ignorant

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    well w/ all do respect
    you're naive and/or ignorant
    So white people can't be thugs??? Hispanics can't be thugs??? You think black people can only be thugs and that's why people don't like Jamaal. Jamaal acts like a thug: Fact, and he is black: Fact. But people don't like him b/c he thinks with his *** not b/c of his race. When do people complain about Granger or O'Neal off court?? Never, b/c they have class. To think that thug means black is in fact naive/ignorant.

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    Hey, not to interrupt this fascinating discussion of socioeconomic racial politics, but Mile's question is a good one. The article seems to contradict itself... was Tinsley present, or were his brothers just borrowing his car?
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    Ummmm......I was not under the impression "Thug" had anything to do with race.
    Yeah, usually when the word "thug" is thrown around like it is in the modern context of the word... there are usually racial overtones that are implied. The same with throwing the word "Ghetto" around. Look, west 38th street is not the upper north side, but it is far from a "ghetto". I get really irritated with how loose that word is tossed around when it comes to neighborhoods that are lower income areas. Look, the area where Shawn Williams had his run-in with the law is pretty close to "ghetto", but an area where there is a large shopping mall, a Best Buy, and a Red Lobster hardly qualifies as Ghetto.

    Look, just because a pro athlete comes into money doesn't change what he believes and most of the thoughts of "staying in suburbia" just because you have money isn't going to wash. It's just going to sound ignorant and insensitive.

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    a "ghetto club" is Club Rio...Tremors...Cloud 9. A "Non Ghetto Club" would be something like Six...Ice Ultra Lounge...Gelo Ultra Lounge....All very classy clubs where athletes are a lot of the time.
    How would you even begin to know, you are not even old enough to be in a club.

    Hell, by the way you are going about this. You hardly sound like you even know what a ghetto is, let alone can qualify what is Ghetto and what is not.
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    well w/ all do respect you're naive and/or ignorant

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    So white people can't be thugs??? Hispanics can't be thugs??? You think black people can only be thugs and that's why people don't like Jamaal. Jamaal acts like a thug: Fact, and he is black: Fact. But people don't like him b/c he thinks with his *** not b/c of his race. When do people complain about Granger or O'Neal off court?? Never, b/c they have class. To think that thug means black is in fact naive/ignorant.
    So then your definition of a thug is a "classless" person? And Tins has no "class" b/c he chooses not to hang out with the rich crowd at "classy" clubs as opposed to "ghetto" clubs?

    I'll grant that people may question his judgment, although it is his perogative. However, it seems difficult to assign terms like classy to DG and JO if you don't know them personally and likewise thug or classless with Tins. Or maybe you are good friends with all three.

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