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    good game suns busted *** tonight one thing why was rush playing again he should been benched sorry
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    Jo played a great game but I still stand by my theory. Danny is not the same player with JO in the lineup. Before JO came back danny was cutting to the hoop, driving it to the basket and drawing fouls. He is not doing this with JO in the lineup. I think part of it is because JO is in the post and looking for the ball. When JO posts up he doesnt move around which makes it harder to drive. Danny needs to learn to play with JO in the lineup. He cannot just spot up at the three point line.

    I want to see a few more games before I start preaching this but it is my theory.

    I also have to take into consideration Marion is a great defender and might of just got into his head
    Basketball is an easier game when you have a post presence. What you are suggesting is like saying a QB is better with a bad offensive line because he can scramble more.
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    From the midpoint of the second quarter on - the Pacers played as well and as hard as they possibly can. The effort was outstanding, JO played as hard as I think I've ever seen him and of coruse Foster was all over the court.

    While I'm disappointed the Pacers lost, overall I'm very encouraged the way the Pacers have played lately - and tonight they played as hard as I've seen a Pacerts team play in more than a few years.

    Suns are just better - they have better players.

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    Nash is supernatural. I truly wonder if he sold his soul to the devil.

    He gets 17 assists and is averaging over 50% from the field and nearly 50% from 3....playing better than ever IMO. How can this guy at nearly 34 years old continue to improve?

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    yeah it sucked that we lost, but i was still happy to see we hung with Phoenix. We didnt get blown out

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    Basketball is an easier game when you have a post presence. What you are suggesting is like saying a QB is better with a bad offensive line because he can scramble more.
    Your right basketball is MUCH easier with a post presence. The problem is when you play and practice without a dominate post presence you learn to play a certain way. I simply stated danny needed to learn to play with JO in the game. They need to learn to communicate better on the court. Everything will come in due time.

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    From the midpoint of the second quarter on - the Pacers played as well and as hard as they possibly can. The effort was outstanding, JO played as hard as I think I've ever seen him and of coruse Foster was all over the court.

    While I'm disappointed the Pacers lost, overall I'm very encouraged the way the Pacers have played lately - and tonight they played as hard as I've seen a Pacerts team play in more than a few years.

    Suns are just better - they have better players.

    I really feel like we started to wear them out. Up to our game steve nash only missed 3 free throws all season. I think he missed 2 or 3 tonight. someone that good doesnt miss unless something was bothering him. I hope it was because he was winded and didnt have his legs under him. If we can wear down players like him we are in good shape

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    The effort was outstanding, JO played as hard as I think I've ever seen him
    Don't know about that one. But it was very nice to see him have one of his "former-JO" games and it looks like he's now actually finding his place in this offense. He could still work on his conditioning, though, since there were times when he couldn't catch up when we were running the floor. I see good things for JO and I think his words might ring true if he continues to do what he's doing.

    And, I'm glad that his, what I would consider not great shot selection, mid-range jumpshots are falling. I know he likes shooting those and if he's intent on doing that instead of taking it down low (which he's getting better at, imo), I just want them to go in.

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    I'm embarassed that only 11,400 tickets were sold for a game against the Suns - who knows how many actually showed up. But I'm just embarassed by that.

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    I'm embarassed that only 11,400 tickets were sold for a game against the Suns - who knows how many actually showed up. But I'm just embarassed by that.
    Not a good turnout, but I thought the crowd was lively and loud for most of the second half.
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    Going back threw some of the game. I still look for the foul on david and the technical. Those of you who watched the game will know what I am talking about. I have watched it several times but the camera does not show the angle I need to see. Hopefully someone who was at the game can shed some light
    I was at the game and had a pretty good view. I think they called a push off on David, but it was BS. Dave had his arm out and touching a guy when he moved away from the ball and out of the lane. There wasn't any resistance from the defender or anything, so he didn't actually push off, though it might have looked like it. As for the technical, I couldn't hear what was said, but I agreed with the sentiment that it was BS. Good game for David other than that, he looked real good, but JOB isn't going to put up w/ the technicals.

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    Me laughs a BlueNgold , nice pic hahah lmao.

    Was great to see #7 Erupt like that, looked pretty damn good. Damn that was a heartbreaker to lose. What a game, we came soo close to stealing that one. Suns are tough and to play that well in the second half, hey we're coming along.
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    I thought late game decision-making by the Pacers was atrocious. I didn't have a problem with that final 3 attempt by Danny but I'm talking the previous possessions. Of special ire goes to Dunleavy when he decided that a particular possession was his alone.

    I'm still not that enamored of Tinsley's 'clutchness' so when he calls his own number late in a game there are several "No...No... No... YES!" moments as well as "No... No.... NO! Why did he think that could ever work?" moments. I don't have the trust in his shot that some of you do. He got a crunchtime basket... and he ate one...

    I'm not sure JO should even touch the ball in crunch time. As the physicality of the game intensifies, and as the refs forget their whistles, JO is typically relegated to his patented fade away clanker.

    I just don't know why we can't run our offense and try and get a shot in the flow rather than people going into 'hero mode'.

    But the Pacers did play hard. They just aren't in the same maturity level as the Suns. That's clear when time is short and the score is close. One team stepped up and the other just seemed to be out of sync.

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    I watched the whole game with my roomates (all Suns fans) and they were ribbing me contstantly about seeing more Suns fans then Pacers fans. We even saw a Pacers fan sleeping in a front row court seat!! I was a bit ashamed.

    Anyways about the game, it didn't really look too much different from the Carlisle Pacers imo, lots of JO/Tinsley ball. Thats not what I wanted to see. Danny was terrible, Dunleavy showed up in spurts, same with Marquis, Williams didn't do much, and I hope Rush never plays another minute in a Pacer's jersey.

    But at least it was close. If we had a go-to clutch player like Nash we might of won. They are a better team, simple as that.

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    In the last six games, we have lost two, by a combined six points; one on the road, and one to one of the best teams in the league.

    I'm starting to become encouraged again.

    Btw, JO in the last two games: 50 points and 26 rebounds, and we still put up over 100 points in each game.
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    I would like to actually get to the see the Pacers play. Here in Cincy, I never get the games. I sounds like they are getting to be a pretty fun team to watch....albeit a little frustrating at times.

    Sounds like the "old" JO was back in form tonight. Two strong performances back to back for him has to be an encouraging sign. Although, I hope that Granger and Dun don't fade away with JO taking on a more active role in the offense.

    Also looks like Tins had a pretty good game stat-wise anyway. After those 4 early TOs, he didn't have any. And yet another double double for him.

    This game is a good measuring stick as to the level the Pacers are capable of playing at. New coach, new system, battling injuries, but still hovering around .500 and taking one of the top 5 teams in the league to the final buzzer. Encouraging.

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    I would like to actually get to the see the Pacers play. Here in Cincy, I never get the games. I sounds like they are getting to be a pretty fun team to watch....albeit a little frustrating at times.
    Another Cincy fan! Nice. I'll probably drive up at least once this season, I'll let you know when we do.

    I missed the first half, but Jermaine looked good in the second half. Very quick decisions.

    I'm not sure about the box score giving him 0 assists... I saw at least one definite assist on a Tinsley three.
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    Another Cincy fan! Nice. I'll probably drive up at least once this season, I'll let you know when we do.
    The first two years that I lived here, we went up to one game each year. Unfortunately, both times they lost. I used to live in Evansville, IN where most games were shown on FSN. Plus the Pacers used to play an exhibition game there each year for a while. But I didn't make it up there last year. I'm hoping to this year. Esp, if they keep playing like they have been.

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    yeah it sucked that we lost, but i was still happy to see we hung with Phoenix. We didnt get blown out
    This is what I am thinking. I wasn't expecting to win against an elite perimeter team like the Suns....in fact...I pretty much thought that they would be reigning 3pt shots on us all night long with our perimeter defense The fact that we can keep pace ( at least on the offensive end ) with the Suns....one of the best running and shooting teams in the league....is a good thing.

    How did our perimeter defense do against the Suns?
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    I'm embarassed that only 11,400 tickets were sold for a game against the Suns - who knows how many actually showed up. But I'm just embarassed by that.
    I think the snow threat may have kept some from making the trip.

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    A couple of things I'm encouraged by:

    1. Jermaine has a bit of spring in his step. I haven't seen that in years. On his dunks, he's actually using some vertical instead of letting his upper body momentum throw him up high enough to dunk.

    2. How many games is this in a row that Jamaal has been a solid contributor to the team? I've lost count.

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    Just looking at the box score......Granger and Shawne were a combined 6-22 ( 27% from the Field ) and the rest of the team was 42-80 ( 52.5% from the field ).

    Was Marion guarding Granger and Shawne for the majority of the game?

    One more thing.....I noticed that JONeal had 0 assists this game. Was he at least passing the ball out ( I'm guessing to Shawne or Granger ) and they were missing the shot?
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    Jo played a great game but I still stand by my theory. Danny is not the same player with JO in the lineup. Before JO came back danny was cutting to the hoop, driving it to the basket and drawing fouls. He is not doing this with JO in the lineup. I think part of it is because JO is in the post and looking for the ball. When JO posts up he doesnt move around which makes it harder to drive. Danny needs to learn to play with JO in the lineup. He cannot just spot up at the three point line.

    I want to see a few more games before I start preaching this but it is my theory.

    I also have to take into consideration Marion is a great defender and might of just got into his head
    Despite Marion defending him....I subscribe to your theory too. Granger just doesn't seem to be playing very well over the last couple of games. Is there a difference in how Harrison, Foster or Murphy controls the paint that is different then how JONeal does it?

    Ever since JONeal's return, including his 7-16 scoring against Portland, he has shot a total of 17-56 ( 30% ) from the field.

    I'm not going to put all of it on JONeal's return and how it has affected the offensive rhythm of the team......cuz just like JONeal has to adjust to the new offense, I agree that the rest of the team...in this case Granger.....has to adjust to his presense as well on the court.

    I wonder if there is anything else that is affecting his shooting......possible injury of some sort that is affecting his shooting or even loss in confidence.
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    In the last six games, we have lost two, by a combined six points; one on the road, and one to one of the best teams in the league.

    I'm starting to become encouraged again.

    Btw, JO in the last two games: 50 points and 26 rebounds, and we still put up over 100 points in each game.
    As Kellogg has mentioned in the Clipper game.....when JONeal has the ball....everyone just stands around.

    I couldn't watch the game....but how was the ball and player movement in the game....especially when JONeal has the ball?
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