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    What about Danny or Shawne for Jack+Rudy? Or Jack+Rudy+Pick?
    I don't know anything about Rudy. Did he play against us the other night?
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    I don't know anything about Rudy. Did he play against us the other night?
    They drafted him but haven't signed him, so he's in Europe for another year finishing up his contract.

    http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/rudyfernandez.asp

    EDIT: I honestly don't think they'd value Shawne high enough to get all three, but it's still interesting to think about. Surely there is some price at which you'd say "Yeah, I'd trade Shawne or Danny for THAT."
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    What about Danny or Shawne for Jack+Rudy? Or Jack+Rudy+Pick?
    Figured Portland had all they needed at SF with Roy. Shawne for Jack, Rudy, and their #1 would be potentially great for us though.
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    Really? Portland's #1 pick should be pretty good this year (Top 5). Plus Rudy should be a prize, especially to a team that lacks a shooting guard and needs good outside shooters.
    My bad, I missed the #1 pick thrown in by Portland in that deal. I think Portland probably backs out on that, because they don't know what kind of pick they'd be giving up on unless it's protected.

    The reality is, the Blazers really don't need to make major moves of any kind involving their best assets. All they really need to do is rehab Oden, hold on to what they have and develop it. They'll be a force within a couple of years.

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    Figured Portland had all they needed at SF with Roy.
    Roy is a SG.
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    And no one has said we'd be happy if we had kept Anthony Johnson in the summer of 06.

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    And no one has said we'd be happy if we had kept Anthony Johnson in the summer of 06.

    I'm just sayin'.
    The thought had honestly never occurred to me.

    And it took me all of three seconds to dismiss.

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    And no one has said we'd be happy if we had kept Anthony Johnson in the summer of 06.

    I'm just sayin'.
    You just gave me the shivers.

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    And no one has said we'd be happy if we had kept Anthony Johnson in the summer of 06.

    I'm just sayin'.
    I thought about it.

    AJ drove me crazy under Rick. But I think he'd be fine under JOB.

    Too bad.

    P. S. He's probably available for cheap, don't you think?
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    Wow could you imagine the fit Tinsley would throw if we brought back AJ? Can poutisitis be fatal?

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    That's still extremely cheap.

    Not even the Knicks could screw up a salary cap bad enough that $1.5 million could ever matter.
    phoenix suns don't agree. they've sold their 1st rounder the past few years rather than pay the rookie scale salary, cheap as it is. pacers aren't far from the luxury tax threshold either, so they might be closer to making this kind of hard decision than you'd think.

    bottomline is, diener isn't a low-cost low-risk investment in the way that rush, owens, and graham are. for those 3 guys, if they don't pan out, then ok you just move on. with diener, you're still stuck with him 3 years. you can only hope he turns his game around.


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    I was not a huge fan but Armstrong would actually do well in this system. Remember when he was in Orlando and had his best years it was in a similar system.
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    Our backups are worse than ever, but I'm still pleased with the PG situation this year.

    What? 8.5 assists per game? Clutch performances? I will take that from the starter and roll the dice that he stays healthy. He played 72 games last year and hasn't missed a single one this year. He's also smiled more in the last month than he has the last 4 years.

    I held an Executive VP position in the Tinsley-Hater club over the last several years...and I have since resigned. No, he's not who I would pick at PG, but until major changes are made, I am ready to stop the hate. ;<)

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    Maybe Dunleavey could do a point forward thing.

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    phoenix suns don't agree. they've sold their 1st rounder the past few years rather than pay the rookie scale salary, cheap as it is. pacers aren't far from the luxury tax threshold either, so they might be closer to making this kind of hard decision than you'd think.

    bottomline is, diener isn't a low-cost low-risk investment in the way that rush, owens, and graham are. for those 3 guys, if they don't pan out, then ok you just move on. with diener, you're still stuck with him 3 years. you can only hope he turns his game around.
    Well, the Suns are ridiculous, so that's not really a great example, IMO.

    There are very few other owners so cheap that would ever make the luxury tax limit such a concrete ceiling under that team's current circumstances. Those guys are literally putting a potential title at risk because of like $5 million. That's insane.

    The Simons have already shown willingness to pay it in the past if it meant contending. So I stand by the fact that a $1.5 million contract would never make or break us or limit our ability to make transactions. And Diener would be easy to include in a package deal so we're certainly not "stuck with him 3 years" only hoping "he turns his game around."

    The third year is a non-issue, IMO, and was actually a savvy move by Bird/Walsh in the sense that if Travis proves to be worth a damn, we have an extremely cheap rotation player for three seasons. Looks like it might not work out, but I still think it was a fine risk to take given the extremely low downside.
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    Well, the Suns are ridiculous, so that's not really a great example, IMO.

    There are very few other owners so cheap that would ever make the luxury tax limit such a concrete ceiling under that team's current circumstances. Those guys are literally putting a potential title at risk because of like $5 million. That's insane.
    totally agree

    The third year is a non-issue, IMO, and was actually a savvy move by Bird/Walsh in the sense that if Travis proves to be worth a damn, we have an extremely cheap rotation player for three seasons. Looks like it might not work out, but I still think it was a fine risk to take given the extremely low downside.
    i wouldn't say savvy. it would have been savvy to make it a team option, not a player option. but it certainly isn't terrible.
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    Well, the Suns are ridiculous, so that's not really a great example, IMO.

    There are very few other owners so cheap that would ever make the luxury tax limit such a concrete ceiling under that team's current circumstances. Those guys are literally putting a potential title at risk because of like $5 million. That's insane.
    well, how about the spurs? they gave away scola and udrih this summer just to get under the tax limit (they're just $30k under the tax now after those transactions).

    take a look around the league. the luxury tax *is* a hard limit for many owners. would the simons be different? we haven't hit that level yet, but i guess we'll find out pretty soon. maybe next summer when we try to re-sign david. or surely the summer after when extensions to danny and ike kick in. that's when the extra years in diener's contract could hurt.

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