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Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

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  • #16
    Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

    Nice win. Looks like Tins and JO tore 'em tonight.

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    • #17
      Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

      Originally posted by Tom White View Post
      Speaking of which, what became of his supposed shoulder injury during the Sonics game? I did not hear any mention of it during today's game or in the game thread.
      Didn't seem to be bothering him. Can't say, past that. Maybe Mr. Boyle will stop in this evening.

      Seemed odd that he only got 2 assists... I thought I heard "X scores off the pass from JO" several times during the game.
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      • #18
        Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers!

        Originally posted by TheDon View Post
        Anyone else pumped to see JT vs. Nash matchup? I can't wait
        Don't be surprised if they try to "hide" Nash on defense by putting him on Dunleavy.

        That's what they used to do against the Warriors all the time.

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        • #19
          Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

          Despite his poor shooting, it looks like Granger was pretty active defensively. He had 3 steals and 3 blocks.
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          • #20
            Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

            Tinsley is having his best season by far.. he was good during the 61 win season but now he is producing in the clutch and finding people, 6th in the league in assists. If he could get his shooting percentage up he could be an all star... In other NBA news Tim Duncan got hurt today (ankle,knee) MRI tomorrow. Didn't sound serious though.

            I'm happy for JO, you could tell he was frustrated in Seattle. Nice road trip Pacers. I will take 3-1 on any west coast trip any day. Sounds as though our defense in the 4th won this.
            "He wanted to get to that money time. Time when the hardware was on the table. That's when Roger was going to show up. So all we needed to do was stay close"
            Darnell Hillman (Speaking of former teammate Roger Brown)

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            • #21
              Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

              Still too early for me to change my tune, but I like what I (heard) from Tinsley and Jermaine today. Good trip to end it 3-1.

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              • #22
                Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

                Get on over to pacers.com and watch the highlights of the game:

                http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.ph...nbasite=pacers

                It's like being on drugs (or so I've heard ) while watching the game. If you get to it before they put real audio to it you'll know what I'm talking about.
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                • #23
                  Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

                  I'm happy we actually won a game with JO playing a lot of minutes. Love the 15 boards and no turnovers, still not very happy with his 7-18 shooting, awful for a big guy.
                  "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                  • #24
                    Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

                    Wow, Tinsley was super clutch. He even came through on some Treys inside of 2 minutes O.o wow! Ok, I've been a trade Tin kind of guy over the past two years, but the way he's been playing, I'm starting to eat some crow. I guess this new system is really a good thing for Tins.

                    I'm glad we won the game with JO playing... Everyone needed that one.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

                      Originally posted by macgumerait View Post
                      Get on over to pacers.com and watch the highlights of the game:

                      http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.ph...nbasite=pacers

                      It's like being on drugs (or so I've heard ) while watching the game. If you get to it before they put real audio to it you'll know what I'm talking about.
                      OMG that's funny. Was nice to see JO get that dunk too.
                      Nice to get some revenge on the Paperclips!
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                      • #26
                        Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

                        Great win. Nice to see J.O. have an impact game.
                        I wonder why Kaman seems to have his way with us. Not to take anything from him, he's having an all star year, but not as good as he plays against us. It seems like we just can't box him out. I'm sure Foster being limited in both games was a factor. I'm impressed with his development as a player. When the Clippers gave him his contract I thought they were overpaying. Now he's starting to look like a bargain.
                        Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

                          Glad I went to the game today. Lucked out on some great seats too.


                          First off, I must say, Tinsley was awesome. Flat out, he single-handedly won the game. This is about the best I've seen him play since his 20 assist game vs. Wizards, Thanksgiving night, rookie season. Honestly, it was his defense in the second half that helped us stay in the game. Aside from his three steals he had several deflections that took the Clippers out of any rhythm they were forming. And he only took 2 bad shots the entire game. He looked like he wasn't feeling well, but he put a lot of effort into the game today, and without his play they would've lost by quite a few. He did get a technical, but to his defense the refs really missed a foul call which caused the turnover.


                          The team was as loose during the pre-game as I've seen since '97-'98. I knew they were going to come out hot and they did. But more importantly, after playing poorly, they really tightened up at the end and made some key shots.

                          Jermaine looked really good. I was surprised to see O'Brien stick with him the entire 4th quarter after talking about monitoring his minutes. I'm glad he did though; his knee looks completely fine. I think he'll be in the 20/10 category now for a while. My only complaint was that he was lazy on defense. I counted at least 3 plays where Kaman/Aaron Williams got great post position because Jermaine wasn't making an effort to push them out. Maybe it was his conditioning because they were all in the 2nd half.


                          Troy Murphy, what can I say? I was hoping they'd eject him for the flagrant foul, because O'Brien wasn't going take him out. He did not deserve to be out there. Then again, Foster, JO, and Harrison were close to foul trouble so he had little choice (except moving Shawne to the 4, like he did to start the third). I'm really interested to see what will happen when Ike gets back.


                          Foster looked like he was having back spasms all day. He tried to play, and he was okay, but not great. He's also done something defensively to get under O'Brien's skin in two consecutive games.


                          There's not a lot else to talk about. O'Neal's post threat got Tinsley a LOT of open looks, and for whatever reason they never closed out on him. I think that's the big advantage you get with O'Neal in on offense. We had three other shooters out there, not including Tinsley, so one of them was going to get an open look (or Jermaine was going to have single coverage). I'll post pics later.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

                            Tinsley!

                            Man, have I really enjoyed his play lately...This is the Jamaal that I've always hoped would come around. I hope the coaching change is the catalyst for his change in attitude/play. Keep it going JT!

                            Sounds like JO had a solid game. 20 pts, 15 rebs. is plently for him to contribute. Not sure how many blocked shots he had or how much he helped the defense, especially inside. I hope he can continue to rehab and get healthy. I have often said lately that I'm ready to move him, but I would be more than happy to eat my words and say I was wrong.

                            Back to .500, just in time to play the Suns...YIKES!



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                            • #29
                              Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

                              Originally posted by macgumerait View Post
                              Get on over to pacers.com and watch the highlights of the game:

                              http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.ph...nbasite=pacers
                              Here's an interesting exercise. Go count how many of the Clips highlights have Jermaine in them, then how many of ours have Jermaine.

                              According to the highlights, the Clips didn't score with Jermaine in the game, and the Pacers barely scored without him.

                              Doesn't mean anything (too small a sample size), but it's interesting that the Clips best possessions come with Jermaine not in the game.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Post-Game Thread: Pacers beat Clippers 101-95!

                                I'm not a photographer, nor do I have a good camera, but here are some pics from the game (mostly pre and post, action shots didn't turn out well):

                                View from the seats


                                pregame warmups




                                Guys having a good time, Troy Murphy with the same look on his face that I had from watching him play



                                Diener, having a good time




                                Mel Mel the Abuser, looking for a pre-game assist (Diener was wide open)



                                Nice stat line for Tinman (no fouls too, which is impressive given how agressive he was)



                                Dunleavy putting the game on ice

                                Last edited by imawhat; 12-02-2007, 10:25 PM.

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