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    Y'all know its true. The man has ice water in his veins.

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    Change his name to Mel Mel the Leader.

    Did you see that dumb *** tech he got for going into triple threat and not even touching Rodriguez? He stood strong though and we persevered.

    50/50

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    I don't even care about his shooting anymore. As long as he's making them when they count then the rest is irrelevant. A few of his turnovers tonight weren't his fault, but he still needs to cut down on those. But overall the dude should be nicknamed "The Motor" instead of Mel Mel.

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    The Tinsley stat watch:
    13.8 ppg
    8.3 apg
    4.5 rpg

    Looks like we have our point guard right now.

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    The turnovers didn't bother me in this one, and I'm one of the biggest Jamaal supporters you'll find. However, even though we got the win and he iced it doesn't excuse him taking bad 3-pointers. I didn't have a problem with the first 2 he took in the first quarter, those were good looks and halfway down before they came out. But in the 4th quarter, he killed the movement of our offense with some bad contested 3s.

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    JT is playing very well. Although it could be simply because he doesn't have to defer to anybody (particularly JO), so he's free to show all aspects of his game again and isn't afraid to let his instincts take over.

    We can't ask for much more as of late.

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    The Tinsley stat watch:
    13.8 ppg
    8.3 apg
    4.5 rpg

    Looks like we have our point guard right now.
    Don't forget all the deflections and steals he has had. I'm pretty sure now that we are playing up tempo basketball, we wont be seeing any more "sinusitis" and "sore elbow."

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    This is the Tinman that was my favorite Pacer several years back .

    Good to see he's still alive. I had pretty much given up on him. Still have to see it over a longer period before I'm completely comfortable with him again, but he's doing what I want him to do now. Only some of his shot selection is questionable and his defence isn't super, but it's atleast acceptable for the time beying.

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    I've been as critical of Tinsley as anyone over the years - sometimes very harshly. But I have never, ever, ever questioned his mental toughness or his self confidence.
    Although I have perhaps said he has too much of both for his own good. - but I know he doesn't coward under pressure.

    One thing that is clear is if you are going to have Tinsley as the point guard on your team (I'm thinking as the coach) you have to live with his turnovers, you have to live with his missed shots and bad shots - you have to allow him to play his game - you have to allow him to gamble defensively (a little) you have to allow him to be him - otherwise he isn't very effective.

    He still drives me crazy, his defense just isn't as good as I would like, he makes dumb decisions way too often, and he still gets into personal battles from time to time, but he is all we have, and I can overlook a lot of his turnovers because he's trying to make things happen. Kidd and Nash often lead the league in turnovers for point guards - but no one ever complains because they create so much.
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    Kidd and . . . . ????
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    While a couple of those three's were in and out, a majority of the misses were the wrong shot to take. He's taking them because he's open, but he's open for a reason. I'm sure the scouting report on him is very clear on that. I know JOB would rather the guys take 3s rather than long 2s, but I think JT needs to be an exception. He's so creative, I'd much rather see him attack and create (for himself or elsewhere) than take the shot just because he's open. Unless it greatly improves, I would think that discussion is going to have to happen at some point. 1-8, ouch. I'd much rather see a 0-3, 1-2 type of 3pt stat line from him. Eight is way too many.

    It's been my only gripe so far of his game. I think the turnovers will decrease as we go. Lineups and rotations haven't been figured out, yet and guys are still learning eachother.

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    The turnovers didn't bother me in this one, and I'm one of the biggest Jamaal supporters you'll find. However, even though we got the win and he iced it doesn't excuse him taking bad 3-pointers. I didn't have a problem with the first 2 he took in the first quarter, those were good looks and halfway down before they came out. But in the 4th quarter, he killed the movement of our offense with some bad contested 3s.
    Ditto. I don't think I ever want to see another game where he takes 8 three-point shots. He's 29% behind the line for pete's sake. He had way too many turnovers as well. However, I have to give a lot of credit to Tinsley for coming through in the clutch and Obie for leaving him in the game.

    After that last forced 3 point shot that Tinsley missed, the camera cut to Obie (I was watching on League Pass so it was the Portland telecast) and he just rolled his eyes and shook his head. I thought for sure he was going to yank him. He even looked over at the bench for a couple of seconds as if he was going to make a substitution. He even had an opportunity to substitute because of a dead ball situation. Instead he left him in the game and a couple of plays later Tinsley got that steal and assist to Kareem Rush for the go ahead layup and he was solid the rest of the way.
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    The Tinsley stat watch:
    13.8 ppg
    8.3 apg
    4.5 rpg

    Looks like we have our point guard right now.
    1.8 steals per game.
    38% shooting on 13.5 attempts per game.
    26% 3pt shooting on 4 attempts per game.
    8th in the NBA in TO at 3.6 per game.

    If we're doing a stat watch, lets get them all in there.

    I do, however, think that he's playing the best basketball of his career this year.
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    I'm gonna wait a while on Jamaal. There's just been too much over the years to jump on his bandwagon right now for me - especially 4th quarter free throws. I'll check back in February.
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    he was very good at the final but he did take some shots that were real iffy but u take the good and the bad because at least right now the good is outweighing the bad....on a side note didnt the rim seem to make the ball bounce like crazy nothing like i have seen its like they were playing with one of those bouncy balls

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    he was very good at the final but he did take some shots that were real iffy but u take the good and the bad because at least right now the good is outweighing the bad....on a side note didnt the rim seem to make the ball bounce like crazy nothing like i have seen its like they were playing with one of those bouncy balls
    Yes, the rims seemed to be wired tighter then usual or something. They had no give to them at all. I kept talking about that during the first half. It was the opposite of what the new ball was doing last year.

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    I'm gonna wait a while on Jamaal. There's just been too much over the years to jump on his bandwagon right now for me - especially 4th quarter free throws. I'll check back in February.
    I'd have to agree 100% on this one. I'm still in a holding pattern on what I truely think about Jamaal, Dunleavy, J.O. and how they all will work for us. For me, it just seems too early to start planting a flag and proclaiming Jamaal as a changed man. My thought on Jamaal has ALWAYS been that he isn't as good as he was very early on, but not as much of a problem that requires new threads about getting rid of him, like the last one. IMHO, Jamaal is an average starting quality point guard. As ABA mentioned, it probably will be February before I truely feel that Jamaal is a changed man either top 10 quality or bottom 10 quality. I'd like to see if Jamaal's wizardry stays in tact when J.O. is introduced back into the line-up and the rest of the league starts to figure us out as a whole around game 25 or so. You know how it goes when other teams are able to start game planning on what you really like to do. Until then, I'm going to sit back and enjoy what we are getting out of Jamaal, Obie and this team.
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    One thing that is clear is if you are going to have Tinsley as the point guard on your team (I'm thinking as the coach) you have to live with his turnovers, you have to live with his missed shots and bad shots - you have to allow him to play his game - you have to allow him to gamble defensively (a little) you have to allow him to be him - otherwise he isn't very effective.
    I agree.

    I also agree that at his make rate he can't consider those open shots to be "good". Hit your open looks at 50/40 respectively and then you should be taking them when you get them. But of course then teams won't sag off you in the first place. Catch 22.


    Turnovers. I don't care, not one bit. He's a fool with the ball at times, no doubt about that. But I never cared his rookie year and I still don't. What his aggressive passing has always meant to the offense is effort by the other 4. Guys will run and work for it because they know that at any moment Tins might zip one under their chin.

    The turnovers are simply the price of doing business in this case.

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    We might lose this game, but the point still stands.

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    Ahem...

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    very impressed with Tinsley's play as of late.

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    I agree.

    I also agree that at his make rate he can't consider those open shots to be "good". Hit your open looks at 50/40 respectively and then you should be taking them when you get them. But of course then teams won't sag off you in the first place. Catch 22.


    Turnovers. I don't care, not one bit. He's a fool with the ball at times, no doubt about that. But I never cared his rookie year and I still don't. What his aggressive passing has always meant to the offense is effort by the other 4. Guys will run and work for it because they know that at any moment Tins might zip one under their chin.

    The turnovers are simply the price of doing business in this case.
    How do we know he isn't hitting them at 50/40? His %s account for other missed shots too - not just open ones. What's Jamaal's % on open looks? Can we even get this stat? If he's hitting most of his open shots then it can't be counted as a bad shot, right?

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    I'm not too impressed. Tins has had some big moments this year, but when the games on the line I will never be confident with him shooting a big shot or driving when down by 3 and getting blocked. On top of that, his PER is 15.3, just slightly above the league average. Like mentioned before, his FG% looks like Raymond Felton and he's unreliable from beyond the arc. Him making some iffy big shots doesn't make up for not having any strength from the bench at point. Trade Tins! I'd like Calderon more.

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    ^ Of course you'd like Calderon more. He's a top-7 PG in the league.

    Kidd, Nash, Baron, Chauncey, Deron, CP3, ... Calderon.

    A healthy Tinsley playing the ball of his life can't crack that list.

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    ^ Of course you'd like Calderon more. He's a top-7 PG in the league.

    Kidd, Nash, Baron, Chauncey, Deron, CP3, ... Calderon.

    A healthy Tinsley playing the ball of his life can't crack that list.
    To be fair, JT is showing signs of improving his game. I haven't seen the consistency in assists that he's shown this year since his rookie season. He's rebounding the ball pretty well and his defensive is definitely better than it's ever been.

    He shoots too many 3s and he doesn't drive and dish enough IMO but over the last 10 games he's been very solid.

    BTW, have you watched Baron Davis play? He's Jamaal Tinsley with jumping ability. The same poor shot selection and turnovers but because he's Baron Davis he gets a complete pass.
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