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    Why would you wince everytime he steps on the court? Because you don't like the guy, like the rest of the media or it's his game? The Lakers chemistry has been good this season. Last two years, they didn't have a PG and seemed like no one can score. Kobe'd drive the lane kick it out to Smoosh for a wide open 12footer and smoosh would hit the front of the rim.
    Not wince because Kobe stepped on the court, but wince because Stu or whoever else announces the Laker's games say Kobe is the best player on the planet, like there is no one else remotely close to his game.

    Smush is horrible. I agree the Laker's supporting cast isn't the best, but I think it is much better than what is in Cleveland. The Laker's chemistry is good this season because after the first game Kobe didn't take 30+ shots a game and Farmar has been a great spark off the bench. I agree that Kobe is much more of a team player than he has ever been, but he's still not at Lebron's level of creating for his teammates.
    Last edited by LAPacer; 11-27-2007 at 05:42 PM. Reason: typo
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    I take it you don't think that Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever?
    I think MJ is the best ever, for the same reason that LeBron is the best right now. Michael asserted his will by driving to the basket and his deadly mid-range game. The player who reminds me most of MJ right now is Wade.

    I have a feeling when I see Kobe start scoring in bunches, and I know I'm not alone, that there's something missing from it. It doesn't feel like he's dominating in the way MJ did, and Wade and LeBron do. Those players make the game theirs, in a way that Kobe doesn't. There's a joyless quality to Kobe's play.

    As for Kobe's clutch-ness, didn't he miss a game-tying free throw a couple days ago? And didn't Wade miss a bunch of game winners last season? I don't mean to demean these players, but I think some people's definition of "clutch" and is misguided. I hate when they use the quality of how "clutch" to promote or denigrate a player ("Nash is so clutch! Dirk isn't!"). A game isn't decided in the last 5 seconds, it's decided in 48 minutes. Sometimes it seems like Kobe's 12 for 35 shooting night has a lot to do with the game being so close at the end.

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    Agree. MJ is still the best ever.

    Did anyone else see what Lebron did to the Celtics? He's having a great season.
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    Jordan was a great driver and had superior athleticism but what got him most of his points by the end of his career, especially in the last three championships, were his ability to fade away like noone else. He both reinvented and perfected the jumpshot for a non-standstill shooting guard, and indeed the shooting guard position.

    I think we're just biased on each side on the Lebron-Kobe thing. What I see in Kobe is some (but of course not all because only Bird could have rivaled him) of the unwillingness and utter determination to win and embarass players who thought they could guard him. That nothing-is-going-to-stop-me-but-me mentality. I've more noticed that Lebron isn't quite at that level where he does more than just go through the motions off of a pick or take an obvious pullup, many of which he still doesn't look too good on. But clutchness to me comes before the shot at the buzzer rims out or swishes through. It comes when you zoom in on a guy's eyes and the fear of god that may be in some players' eyes is a diametric opposite. I'm not saying that finishing the particular play ain't important. I'm just saying that the psychological factor that Jordan had is closest matched by Kobe though obviously not nearly.

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    Lebron is a point guard who starts the small forward position. Kobe is a shooting guard.

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    One more thing, i dont think i mentioned this, its very amazing:

    Lebron just became the 3rd player in NBA history to average over 30 / 10 / 10 in 7 games... its more like 37.5 ppg, 10.1 rbg, 11.1 apg... Those other two players were Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson (and yes you are not mistaking, not even "the greatest player of all time" did this).
    Last edited by #31; 11-28-2007 at 01:11 AM.

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    No doubt

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    Agree. MJ is still the best ever.

    Did anyone else see what Lebron did to the Celtics? He's having a great season.
    Eat your heart out Lebron:

    Clutch
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cojRLhW5FOc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg

    81
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRikrksH8es

    These are numbers of straight field golds mostly easy shots I'm sure Lebron could do the same thing (insert huge amount of sarcasm).

    11 straight field goals:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=towvDNLW_cM

    9 straight 3's !!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsFCL...eature=related

    8 straight minutes of clutch shots by kobe.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwnKpUGfl4Y

    Defense:

    Eat it Yao
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JQjYxtpYv4

    Eat it Timmy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CyzHRnsZmI


    And don't give me he has these highlights because he's been in the league longer, almost all of these are within the last couple years. I could max out this post, listing everything Kobe's done. Lebron all you have is a Pistons game and a couple clips of him missing some clutch free throws. lol


    lol Espn is showing the Pistons highlights of Lebron. I swear they shove him down our throats every single chance they get.
    Last edited by BoomBaby31; 11-29-2007 at 03:02 AM.

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    I don't think anyone here is downgrading Kobe's accomplishments (I happen to think his 81 is the most impressive scoring display of all time. BETTER than Wilt's 100). Single highlights aren't a big deal, remember Nate Robinson blocked Yao too. If I'm judging an NBA player RIGHT NOW, I have to say Lebron is the best. THIS SEASON he is playing better than anyone. Kobe might overtake him by the end of the year, but I doubt it.

    -Lebron is playing better right now, I don't think you can argue that.

    -Lebron is one of the better superstar teammates in the league. He's not Nash or Duncan, but I can't imagine Kobe's teammates are having fun playing with him.

    -The defense is becoming a non-issue.

    I think this is going to be a fun thread to revive at the end of the season when we can look back.

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    nice going guys by jinxin' him - he injured his finger last night...tsk...tsk...tsk.

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    -Lebron is playing better right now, I don't think you can argue that.
    This is undisputable.

    Bron Bron is playing better than anyone has in a loooong time right now.
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    Eat your heart out Lebron:

    Clutch
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cojRLhW5FOc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg

    81
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRikrksH8es

    These are numbers of straight field golds mostly easy shots I'm sure Lebron could do the same thing (insert huge amount of sarcasm).

    11 straight field goals:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=towvDNLW_cM

    9 straight 3's !!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsFCL...eature=related

    8 straight minutes of clutch shots by kobe.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwnKpUGfl4Y

    Defense:

    Eat it Yao
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JQjYxtpYv4

    Eat it Timmy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CyzHRnsZmI


    And don't give me he has these highlights because he's been in the league longer, almost all of these are within the last couple years. I could max out this post, listing everything Kobe's done. Lebron all you have is a Pistons game and a couple clips of him missing some clutch free throws. lol


    lol Espn is showing the Pistons highlights of Lebron. I swear they shove him down our throats every single chance they get.
    Kobe is a great player. There is no questioning that. He has done so many things to put him in the talk for best player in the league today. But you have to admit for every one of these amazing feats there are some questionable character/selfish moves as well:

    Taking 1 shot against Sac in the first half and then praising Sac's D. Only after Peyton, Shaq, etc had said he had been shooting too much:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=240411023

    Kobe and the Colorado incident:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...hitlock/040513

    Kobe shooting bricks while Shaq shooting over 63%, trying to get his first Finals MVP in 2004 and losing:
    http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2003...als_stats.html

    Feud with Malone, Feud with Phil, Feud with Lakers management, Throwing his current team under the bus this summer, etc.

    I think Kobe might be the best player in the game, but in my opinion Lebron, Wade, and Nash make their teams much better than Kobe does so they should get some points for that. Since Lebron hurt his non-shooting hand last night and sat out the second half, he loses some points. Artest and Kobe would have probably continued that game. But for now, I'm still sticking with Lebron and its a close call.
    Last edited by LAPacer; 11-29-2007 at 12:40 PM. Reason: Typos
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    If a guy is averaging:

    23.5 (.612% shooting), 14.5 boards, and 2.7 blocks. Could he be considered as the best? Add that to the fact that his team is 14-3, that is pretty good. He probably isn't the best today, but his name should be in the conversation along with the Garnett's.

    Dwight Howard is a beast.
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    If a guy is averaging:

    23.5 (.612% shooting), 14.5 boards, and 2.7 blocks. Could he be considered as the best? Add that to the fact that his team is 14-3, that is pretty good. He probably isn't the best today, but his name should be in the conversation along with the Garnett's.

    Dwight Howard is a beast.

    Howard owns the paint. He is going to have a fantastic career. He makes Orlando a finals threat.

    Interesting fact: Orlando hasn't won a postseason series since Shaq left. That should change this year.

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    Kobe is a great player. There is no questioning that. He has done so many things to put him in the talk for best player in the league today. But you have to admit for every one of these amazing feats there are some questionable character/selfish moves as well:

    Taking 1 shot against Sac in the first half and then praising Sac's D. Only after Peyton, Shaq, etc had said he had been shooting too much:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=240411023

    Kobe and the Colorado incident:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...hitlock/040513

    Kobe shooting bricks while Shaq shooting over 63%, trying to get his first Finals MVP in 2004 and losing:
    http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2003...als_stats.html

    Feud with Malone, Feud with Phil, Feud with Lakers management, Throwing his current team under the bus this summer, etc.

    I think Kobe might be the best player in the game, but in my opinion Lebron, Wade, and Nash make their teams much better than Kobe does so they should get some points for that. Since Lebron hurt his non-shooting hand last night and sat out the second half, he loses some points. Artest and Kobe would have probably continued that game. But for now, I'm still sticking with Lebron and its a close call.
    Hey now I'm not arguing Kobe is a saint. Kobe isn't a favorite player of mine, either. 2 seasons ago, it was pretty apparent Kobe held his shots on certain games when stuff went down in the lockerroom. I don't think Colorado was his fault, yeah he was an "adulterer" and yadda yadda but, still if girl didn't cry wolf this wouldn't even been an issue. Athletes cheat on their wives it comes along with territory. I remember alot of those games he held shots was when ESPN was talking about how he was a ball hog and locker room issues were going on.

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    MJ is the greatest! Now Lebron is real good and going to be fantastic. Kobe is dangerous and a spectacular defender. Tim Duncan is the best. Looking at his supporting cast, he has to be. Nothing against Manu, TP and Bruce Bowen but they really aren't stars. If they played in like Houston, NOs or for the Clippers we woundn't have any idea who they were. Duncan and his coach have taken guys who just fill roles and win. That makes great players. Plus if Duncan thought he needed to he'd take over the game but there is no need so he just wins with his team. Nobel? No just good basketball.

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    MJ is the greatest! Now Lebron is real good and going to be fantastic. Kobe is dangerous and a spectacular defender. Tim Duncan is the best. Looking at his supporting cast, he has to be. Nothing against Manu, TP and Bruce Bowen but they really aren't stars. If they played in like Houston, NOs or for the Clippers we woundn't have any idea who they were. Duncan and his coach have taken guys who just fill roles and win. That makes great players. Plus if Duncan thought he needed to he'd take over the game but there is no need so he just wins with his team. Nobel? No just good basketball.
    After last night's 37 point game from Manu and 25 points from Tony and Bruce holding Dirk to 15 points, they are more than just roll players... I would have to say right now Manu Ginobili is the best player in the NBA!
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    After last night's 37 point game from Manu and 25 points from Tony and Bruce holding Dirk to 15 points, they are more than just roll players... I would have to say right now Manu Ginobili is the best player in the NBA!
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