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    Default Indiana at New Orleans - Post game thread - 11/21/07

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    http://www.nba.com/games/20071121/INDNOH/boxscore.html

    Mike and Danny lead the way as the Pacers beat the Hornets Friday night in New Orleans.

    Good game, good win, just like what a lot say, when Danny and Dunleavy lead the way, we're probably going to win, they did and we got the W. I don't think Diener played at all tonight, I could be wrong though.

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    The Pacers are an enigma. A team playing this well on the second of back-to-back games (or on the 4th game in 5 nights as they did against Utah) should be playing with a much more consistent effort. Of course, I wouldn't call the game against LA a home game with the lack of fans. It reminds me of the Atlanta Hawks home games.


    So, the game. First off, Tinsley had a pretty good game. I give him more crap than all other players, so I want to point out his good game first. His shot selection, save the last 3 minutes, was very good. I love watching him when he's looking for his teammates.


    I know Troy scored 23 points and looked pretty active tonight, but for some reason I wouldn't mind if he didn't play. Does anyone else feel that way?


    Danny looked great two weeks ago. Now he looks like he's back to where he was last year, except now he's converting on his dribble drives more frequently.


    I LOVED seeing Shawne take Pargo down in the post and score so easily.

    I also LOVED seeing Dunleavy play with a little passion. An aggresive and angry Dunleavy would be a huge upgrade.

    I like the rotation right now. I really don't think Diener should be playing. Harrison is showing signs that he's learning how not to foul. Actually think I heard Foster scream "Don't foul David!" as Ely was making a move to the basket. Let's hope he keeps it up. I seriously think he could be a 15/10 guy if the game would just "click" for him.

    I can't wait until Ike's back.

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    JO plays > 25 minutes: no wins. Otherwise, we are undefeated.

    Although his injury is part of the problem, I think this has more to do with how the team plays with him on the floor...but I can't really put my finger on it. I think the ball movement tends to be better...but that's just a guess.

    In any event, we do seem to play well without him on the floor.

    Coincidence?

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    JO plays > 25 minutes: no wins. Otherwise, we are undefeated.

    Although his injury is part of the problem, I think this has more to do with how the team plays with him on the floor...but I can't really put my finger on it. I think the ball movement tends to be better...but that's just a guess.

    In any event, we do seem to play well without him on the floor.

    Coincidence?


    I think we can get away with it in a game like tonight because of the opponent. NO is an outside-shooting team. Once we start playing teams with more penetration, we can't afford to have JO out. But I do think the offense generally runs smoother when he's not on the floor.

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    Good game tonite...too bad that Chris, Clark and the TV director were more interested in talking to the Hornets GM and showing people in the stands when the game was going on.
    They're busy talking to the Hornets' GM and this gets no mention or replay....boooooo!



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    If we play like JOB wants us to, JO is not as important to this team. IMHO he's not anywhere near 100%. Marquis is looking real good right now. I think he's our no.2 pg at the moment.

    Magic... definitely a top 10 play of the night on ESPN
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    JO plays > 27 minutes: no wins. Otherwise, we are undefeated.
    Minor point.....but fixed.

    0-7 when JONeal plays 27 minutes or more
    4-0 when JONeal plays less then 26 minutes or not at all
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    I think we can get away with it in a game like tonight because of the opponent. NO is an outside-shooting team. Once we start playing teams with more penetration, we can't afford to have JO out. But I do think the offense generally runs smoother when he's not on the floor.
    I thought it was well established that we would have issues with outside shooting teams because of our weak perimeter defense
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    Just so you guys know, Jamaal, Marquis, Andre, and another player I can't remember are all on a flight back to Indy and hoping to make it in time to show up at a Cloud Nine party tonight. I'm hoping to wake up to no news...

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    I thought it was well established that we would have issues with outside shooting teams because of our weak perimeter defense
    I didn't think our perimeter defense was that great tonight. They just missed a lot of open shots. 26.7% (8-30) on threes for them and Peja hit all 3 of his in the first half. A few more of those shots go down for them and it's a different story.

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    Minor point.....but fixed.

    0-7 when JONeal plays 27 minutes or more
    4-0 when JONeal plays less then 26 minutes or not at all
    It's clear that the Indiana Pacers need to seriously entertain the idea of life without Jermaine O'Neal.

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    I thought it was well established that we would have issues with outside shooting teams because of our weak perimeter defense
    We do and would have if they were shooting anywhere near their average, Clark said it was normally around 40% during the show...tonight 26.7%. Pretty much have to pray night in and night out their shots aren't falling from 3 point land cause we just dare every team to take those shots.

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    Minor point.....but fixed.

    0-7 when JONeal plays 27 minutes or more
    4-0 when JONeal plays less then 26 minutes or not at all

    minor point, but if they won tonight doesn't that make them 5-0
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    Do you guys really think that jermaine is holding this team back? I honestly do not, but the evidences is starting to mount against him.

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    They're busy talking to the Hornets' GM and this gets no mention or replay....boooooo!
    I jumped off the couch for that one, Tins seems to do that a few times a season. Unbelievable ball handling!

    Anyone got a better quality video clip of that?
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    Do you guys really think that jermaine is holding this team back? I honestly do not, but the evidences is starting to mount against him.
    Yes. First, he is not healthy. There are times when he looks like he lacks energy and/or quickness and/or hops. That hurts us at both ends of the floor. Energy means everything in this game and JO is not showing much. Second, his post game hurts this offense. More specifically, his post game tends to hinder ball movement. JOb says we need to run the ball through him and create better spacing....let him pass and make assists. That sounds great, but I haven't seen much of that. Maybe that's not his fault...but he has seemed pretty content shooting that low percentage fadeaway.

    I would be pleased to see him traded for young players and picks. Obviously, we can win a substantial number of games without him...

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    Do you guys really think that jermaine is holding this team back? I honestly do not, but the evidences is starting to mount against him.
    Until JONeal is back to game form, can rebound effectively and has some spring in his legs ( which clearly affect every aspect of his defensive and offensive game ); then yes....I do believe that having JONeal on the floor hinders the team more then helping it.
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    The people that really impressed the hell out of me tonight was Dave and Tinsley. That one play where Tinsley threw the ball down to dave and before armstrong could react dave had spun around and was in the air ready to dunk it. There was some other instance where I seen dave come over to help on defense jumped up and swatted the ball way out of bounds and another hustle play where dave dove for a ball pushed the ball out of a pileup to danny who got it to Tinsley and we scored very easily in transition. I think Dave is coming along very very slowly but surely if dave could average 15/10 like someone said earlier i'd be very happy. Our future isn't as bad as a lot of people think.

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    SG - Danny
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    I didn't realize this....but Tyson Chandler wasn't playing. I know a win is a win....but if he was playing....I have a feeling that the game would have turned out a little bit differently.
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    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    I didn't realize this....but Tyson Chandler wasn't playing. I know a win is a win....but if he was playing....I have a feeling that the game would have turned out a little bit differently.
    True, but we didn't have Jermaine......

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    but i just think in all of this. if Dunleavy shoots more than 15 shots in a game.. our chances shoot all the way up..

    even if he is not scoring the ball, if he is active you see him getting rebounds, makin passes, setting screens, running the secondary break. all the stuff he adds into the game
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    but i just think in all of this. if Dunleavy shoots more than 15 shots in a game.. our chances shoot all the way up..

    even if he is not scoring the ball, if he is active you see him getting rebounds, makin passes, setting screens, running the secondary break. all the stuff he adds into the game
    thats very true - had mentioned it in the LA LA game - the previous wins - DunDun had attempted 17 shots - and we won them all - tonight he got 16 and we got the W again. He can't go and play hide-n-seek - we need production from both our wings for this team to truly fly high...

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    Default Re: Indiana at New Orleans - Post game thread - 11/21/07

    Didn't see the game, but after seeing the boxscore, liked what I saw of
    David Harrison's line.

    While not a big stat stuffer, I'd bet he had a huge "presence" out there for
    us....similar to how he was in the first game against Wash.

    It is nice to see him staying out on the floor for extended minutes.

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    Anyone got a better quality video clip of that?
    I do.

    I've yet to figure out how to post to youtube without it looking like garbage......

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    Mike and Danny lead the way as the Pacers beat the Hornets Wednesday night in New Orleans.

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