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    I don't want to sound, hypocritical but the arena looks pretty bad it's half- empty it looks non-sounding and not a very pretty sight to see. yet I see Jim O'Brien promoting to people in Indiana on the commercial about the great Conseco Fieldhouse.

    Does anyone else feel the same way?
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    Aesthetically CF is a great place...if you're suggesting that the building itself is ugly then you're contradicting the numerous members of the media who have said that it's the best place to watch basketball in the NBA, period.

    Yes, the place is half empty right now but you have to remember Indiana fans are very fickle. When we were bad throughout the 80's and into the early 90's there was a similar situation at Market Square.

    Despite this poor attendance Indiana is known as the capital of basketball in the United States and fans have fervently supported the Pacers in the past. With all the turmoil this team has dealt with over the last 3 years with the brawl and NUMEROUS incidents that happened afterward, there's no surprise that the arena is empty.

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    Are you trashing the actual building? Get the hell out of here with that BS. Especially if you've never stepped foot inside it.

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    I think the arena is beautiful just that the half-empty seats and the overall atmosphere was not a pretty sight.
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    Atmosphere? Yeah, that is a problem right now, but it's not too shocking to me either.

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    I hope the fan-base and the team rises in the future. you guys will be good in no time but currently the fan-base seems disinterested in the team and that should be a concern for the Management.
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    I feel good (and surprised) that it was even half full. This is the bed that the franchise made for itself. They are lucky to have a bed at all.

    ...and I don't think the fans should be blamed one bit. I understand that some of the fans are fickle. This is partially due to not having a huge market. ...but let's not confuse the nature of the market with the actual cause of the bad attendance. The majority of fans "who have left the building" had good reason to do so...and I highly doubt that the W/L record was that reason.

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    Brawl and Off-court problems BlueNGold?
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    Would trading the remaining members of the brawl and 8 second saloon bring back fans? It might help, but I would think winning would bring fans better than anything else.
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    Winning or losing and drafting a certain IU standout who shall remain nameless. I would definitely be going to more games then.

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    Brawl and Off-court problems BlueNGold?
    Yes and trading all the brawl players doesn't fix it either.

    Winning and losing fans is not a simple formula tied directly to winning and losing games. They are certainly correlated, but it's just more complicated than that. Losing games generally result in some fans losing interest. Time spans also play into it. The acts of the last few years DROVE fans away in large numbers...more quickly and in larger numbers than mediocre play could ever accomplish. Winning back fans involves different factors than retaining them because people become fans for different reasons than people stay fans of a team.

    So, yes, winning is what it will take to fill up the fieldhouse....but losing is not why it's not closer to capacity.

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    I hope the fan-base and the team rises in the future. you guys will be good in no time but currently the fan-base seems disinterested in the team and that should be a concern for the Management.
    Pretty much half the NBA has issues with attendance and fan support...

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    I remember watching Conseco Fieldhouse during the 99-00 season and the playoffs... My goodness the arena was great now it just seems different.
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    I wouldn't get too bent out of shape unless it's still like this after football season is over. Indiana is not the only arena that has horrible attendance this year. Overall I think attendance has to be down across the board.

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    The thing that is startling is that basketball is huge in Indiana. There are towns that literally shut down for highschool games. Conseco Fieldhouse is one of the few, if not the only, NBA arena designed solely for basketball. The lack of fan support seems shocking to me.

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    I was actually wondering this during the game. I have been going to Pacers games on a regular basis since 1985 and to the best of my memory this was the smallest crowd for the Lakers that I can remember.

    Even in the dark days of the 80's the Lake show drew in a few extra thousand to witness them.

    You would expect this low of a crowd on a Tuesday night in November for the Bucks or the Hornets, but the Lakers????

    Times have changed.


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    I've always found the whole "Hoosier Hysteria" and "capital of basketball" thing to be a little bogus. And it definitely has no place in a Pacer discussion. "Hoosier Hysteria" is based soley on the love of the High School one class basketball tournament. And the hype about that has been greatly reduced over the past decade with the addition of class basketball.

    The whole "Indiana loves basketball" thing has never really had much to do with the Pacers. It all comes from the high school tourney and then from the obsession with Indiana Hoosiers basketball. It's not about the Pacers, and it never was. Sure, fans showed up when the team was a perennial contender. But that basically happens everywhere.

    "Hoosier Hysteria" comes from a small town team beating a huge school in the tourney. It's about the filled high school gyms come tourney time. It's certainly not about the Pacers. Most of the people in these towns could care less about the Pacers, given the fact that the Pacers fanbase is practically exclusive to metro Indianapolis (Pacers are mostly at fault for that).

    I honestly can't believe people are suprised at this. The Pacers fan base certainly isn't the epitome of a loyal, great fanbase. When the average person in this state wants to witness competitive basketball, they're going to look at College and High School first. With IU back on the map, Purdue on the verge of revitalizing a solid program, and Butler being way up there, there just isn't much time for the Pacers. Not to mention that there's a super bowl champion across the street. If people want to spend their money on pro sports, they're likely to hit the Colts first.
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    I've always found the whole "Hoosier Hysteria" and "capital of basketball" thing to be a little bogus. And it definitely has no place in a Pacer discussion. "Hoosier Hysteria" is based soley on the love of the High School one class basketball tournament. And the hype about that has been greatly reduced over the past decade with the addition of class basketball.

    The whole "Indiana loves basketball" thing has never really had much to do with the Pacers. It all comes from the high school tourney and then from the obsession with Indiana Hoosiers basketball. It's not about the Pacers, and it never was. Sure, fans showed up when the team was a perennial contender. But that basically happens everywhere.

    "Hoosier Hysteria" comes from a small town team beating a huge school in the tourney. It's about the filled high school gyms come tourney time. It's certainly not about the Pacers. Most of the people in these towns could care less about the Pacers, given the fact that the Pacers fanbase is practically exclusive to metro Indianapolis (Pacers are mostly at fault for that).
    100% agree with this. The state of Indiana's love of basketball has never been about the Pacers. The Pacers have just benefitted from it when they were good, now that they are bad people aren't going to spend money to go see a team it never had a real love affair with. Same thing is true with the Colts. This state likes amateur sports a lot more than it likes pro sports.

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    During the ABA days this town was rockin' Pacer Blue...once they started winning championships and we had people the fans loved to follow. But what you are saying about our love of HS and College game coming first is true. However, the IHSAA and Big 10 Network are doing their best to destroy that interest too.

    Times change. There didn't used to be much interest in football around here, but now every HS has a team and the college game has become more popular...then we have the Colts. A highly competitive team with players like Manning, Harrison, Freeney, and Saunders et al is hard to ignore when you are determining where to place your entertainment dollars, but it is easy to promote if you are in competition with the likes of Artest and the gang. And yes, that includes JO who has never been embraced by the local gendry.
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    some really great points in these last few posts. things that i've kinda thought but never wanted to believe. my brother and i work together in the same department and are huge pacer fans through thick and thin. we talk about it and are suprised that everyone else is shocked that we stick by them. we are shocked that everyone is so quick to jump ship when a few bad years roll around. i guess it makes sense that there are not alot of "true" pacer fans around, not as many as i once thought.

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    Fact is, this is one of the worst fair weather fanbases in the country. I'd say what you're seeing in Conseco are the true blue Pacers fans. The rest of them moved down the street to the RCA Dome when the Colts started winning and the Pacers started losing.

    If we draft Eric Gordon and Peyton Manning retires, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Conseco rocking, and everyone hanging "Go Pacers" banners from every available surface 10 years from now.

    It's just the nature of the town.

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    Totally disagree Eindar. It's that way in ALL NBA towns. The fact is the NBA doesn't attract loyalty the way long established NFL teams do (and I'm not including the Colts in that because we haven't the local history the Packers or Bears etc. do) The fact is, pro basketball just isn't liked across the US as football is, heck, it's barely above hockey in ratings.
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    I was actually wondering this during the game. I have been going to Pacers games on a regular basis since 1985 and to the best of my memory this was the smallest crowd for the Lakers that I can remember.

    Even in the dark days of the 80's the Lake show drew in a few extra thousand to witness them.

    You would expect this low of a crowd on a Tuesday night in November for the Bucks or the Hornets, but the Lakers????

    Times have changed.
    There were a lot of Laker jerseys in the crowd last night too. If it had been a game against as you say the Bucks it really would have been dead. But I believe having more entertainers riding bikes at half time will quickly cure the attendance ills.



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    Good points all around.

    But I ask you all to remember that it is not only a question of basketball or not. People don't look in the mirror and ask themselves, "Shall I hold the Pacers in my heart, or shall I absent me from felicity a while and draw my breath in pain?"

    Basketball is one entertainment/leisure option out of a growing list of choices. The people of Indianapolis -- not counting the suburbs and the rest of the state -- spend nearly $3 billion a year on leisure. But they spend it on bowling and gambling casinos and drama and opera and titty bars and premium cable and methamphetamine and fitness clubs and collectable porcelain and home theaters and trips to Bahama and golf outings and the zoo and Longaberger baskets and one or two other things. (What did I leave out?)

    No discussion of pro basketball attendance is sensible unless it takes into account the proliferation of alternatives. As recently as the '70s, there weren't so many alternatives. Now there are, and pro basketball has to do a better job of attracting people to come out.

    Question: How many people here on this forum will attend fewer games this year, regardless of the Pacers W/L record, because you chose to get NBA season pass instead of buying tickets to atend games?
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    Alot of folks who may have gone to games in '99-'00 may not have as much
    money to throw around now.

    Between economic setbacks, ever increasing fuel costs, and Government
    continually stealing peoples money in the form of excessive taxation, the
    belt has to be tightened somewhere.

    It better be a pretty darned good, even championship caliber team to cause
    fans to attend games with the current ticket prices, when a choice has to
    be made between between:

    A.) Being entertained (while often already deeply in debt).
    or
    B.) Getting essential bills paid.


    If lower concourse seats cost no more than $35 (which they SHOULD),
    there would be no problem filling the arena. The NBA is simply continuing
    to price itself out of business.

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