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    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/preview_071120.html

    Though his scoring average isn’t at its usual level, Jermaine O’Neal has been the Pacers’ go-through guy on offense. Which is to say whether or not he winds up with a shot, O’Neal’s presence dictates much of what the team is able to accomplish.


    Starting with Tuesday’s game against the Los Angeles Lakers, O’Neal plans to begin re-establishing himself as a pre-eminent low-post scorer. Limited by a lack of strength in his left knee through the first few weeks of the season, O’Neal said Monday he’s getting closer to 100 percent and plans to become more assertive as a result

    “I look at where we’re at right now and where I’m at physically, I’m on schedule to get back to where I need to be,” he said. “Obviously, I need to score some more points, get some more rebounds, block some more shots but we’re only 10 games in and we kind of game myself a 10-game cushion to get my rhythm going, get my cardio going. I’m really looking forward to (Tuesday’s) game to really pick it up on the offensive end of the floor.”

    O’Neal has led the Pacers in scoring the past six seasons, averaging between 19.0 and 24.3 points, but currently stands fourth on the team at 13.1 to go with 7.6 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 1.6 blocked shots. He has been and will remain a willing passer but O’Neal’s scoring opportunities should increase as the team continues to gain comfort with Coach Jim O’Brien’s system.

    “I think that'll take care of itself,” O’Brien said. “We are not doing justice to his game with our spacing. What we're looking to get is, when he gets the basketball in the low post, we need a cutter to go at the rim for him to be able to find him. We don't need three cutters because all of a sudden there he is with the basketball in the low post with three of our offensive guys and three of their defensive guys and it's very, very difficult for him to score in crowds. I think his offensive productivity, he'll score at a high level and he'll assist at a high level. He'll assist at a level we have not seen from Jermaine in his career.”

    O’Neal’s reduced scoring led Denver Coach George Karl to suggest Danny Granger has emerged as the team’s primary option. Though Granger is the leading scorer (17.8), the offense nevertheless runs through O’Neal.

    “I think our offense has to run through Jermaine,” said O’Brien. “That doesn't mean Jermaine's going to be the guy that scores the most points. It means Jermaine, for a guy his size, is going to be a big assist guy this year. He'll probably in the long run be our high scorer.”
    The Lakers (6-3) begin a wicked stretch of three games in four nights for the Pacers against Western Conference opponents with a combined record of 22-8. They travel to New Orleans to face the 9-2 Hornets Wednesday then face Dallas (7-3) at home Friday.

    First, they must contend with Kobe Bryant.
    “He’s the best player in the world,” said O’Brien. “He’s been able to put up enormous amounts of points when he puts his mind to it. If he’s interested in scoring, he’s going to score. They’re off to a very good start because they’re getting a great combination of his scoring and ability to play the triangle and create opportunities for everybody. He is one of the best at both ends of the court. Defensively, he showed for USA Basketball this summer he’s one of the great shut-down guys in the world. And his ability to score the basketball is second to none.”

    Granger will draw the defensive assignment against Bryant but likely will have plenty of help. The Pacers will benefit from the presence of Marquis Daniels, who sat out three of the previous six games to rest his tender left knee but appears ready to return to the rotation full-time.

    “I think we’ll be able to have him for both games (Tuesday and Wednesday) as long as we don’t play him an enormous amount of minutes,” O’Brien said. “I think he’s rounding the corner, frankly.”
    TRENDS
    Marquis Daniels has totaled 36 points in 46 minutes while shooting 15-of-21 from the field in his last two appearances. … Indiana is 4-3 when Daniels has played, 0-3 when he has not. … Jeff Foster has averaged 10.7 rebounds in the last three. … Danny Granger has averaged 19.5 points on .506 shooting overall and .485 from the 3-point line at home, compared to 15.3 points, .339 shooting and .158 from the arc on the road. … Kareem Rush has shot 8-of-26 overall and 2-of-10 from the arc in the last five. … Jamaal Tinsley has 38 assists against seven turnovers, a 5.42:1 ratio, in four victories. In six defeats, he has 36 assists and 21 turnovers, a 1.71:1 ratio. … In four wins, the Pacers have averaged 111.0 points on .476 shooting. In six losses, they’ve averaged 93.2 points on .406 shooting. … In four wins, Indiana holds a 111-87 advantage in points of turnovers. In six losses, opponents hold a 112-86 advantage.


    SERIES
    The teams have split the past four seasons with each protecting its home court. The Lakers’ last win in Conseco Fieldhouse came on Feb. 4, 2003. The Lakers lead 49-18 overall and 19-14 in Indianapolis.


    INJURIES
    Pacers - F Ike Diogu (left calf strain) is out.
    Lakers - F Ronny Turiaf (left ankle sprain) is questionable; C Kwame Brown (ankle, knee) is out.



    Ugh...does this mean slowing it down, forcing fadeaway jumpers while everyone not named Jeff Foster is 2 feet behind the arc.

    I swear to God I'll go apesh*t if at some point O'Brien starts talking about the unimportance of offensive rebounds so that we can be in position to stop the fast break.

    Opinion time. Will JO be satisfied if at the end of the season if Granger averages more points than he does?
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    Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

    I would have been impressed if JO had opted for a more team-first/ whatever it takes to win attitude. Game 9 rather than game 8 this year?

    Silver lining: Maybe he'll put up 45/19/7 on the Lakers... and increase his trade value.

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      Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

      Originally posted by maragin View Post
      I would have been impressed if JO had opted for a more team-first/ whatever it takes to win attitude. Game 9 rather than game 8 this year?

      Silver lining: Maybe he'll put up 45/19/7 on the Lakers... and increase his trade value.
      Maybe you missed the part where JoB asked/expects him to do more scoring?

      According to JoB the offense is better balanced that way.

      But what does he know
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      • #4
        Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

        Can JO score more without the offensive movement (players and ball) slowing or stopping? If not, I hate this idea.

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        • #5
          Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

          Well we do need him to score more for the inside-out game to work. Otherwise all we have is the outside game. We need Jermaine's scoring for the same reason we miss Ike.

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            Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

            I'm all for JO scoring more points - but not at the expense of team play - would hate people to stop cutting because JO needs to increase his points total....

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            • #7
              Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

              I can already hear Peck's profanity-laced tirade.

              I guess the Forum Party just got a whole lot more interesting, one way or the other.

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              • #8
                Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

                Originally posted by Mal View Post
                Can JO score more without the offensive movement (players and ball) slowing or stopping? If not, I hate this idea.
                Amen.

                This could work one out of two ways: It could benefit the offense but allowing us to have more of an inside game to augment our quick moving, jump shot oriented offense, or it could slow down and destroy the whole thing and we'll look like we're playing RC ball again.

                Tonight's game should be interesting. We all really have something to look for. Damn my boss for calling me in tonight.

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                • #9
                  Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

                  Averaging 13 points is bad. Wanting to improve on that is bad.

                  No where did I see anyone say the offense was going to change.
                  "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

                  "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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                  • #10
                    Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

                    J.O. will score more,
                    He proclaims to the fans.
                    But words come easy.
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                    All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

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                    • #11
                      Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

                      Originally posted by Evan_The_Dude View Post
                      Well we do need him to score more for the inside-out game to work. Otherwise all we have is the outside game. We need Jermaine's scoring for the same reason we miss Ike.
                      I'm thinking along these same lines as well. I would rather JO post up more than just have the team settle for (and miss) bad jumpshots. At the very least it'll draw the attention of the defense and leave some shooters wide open.

                      But the other players need to MOVE. It doesn't have to be like last year. It can work, but players need to continue to cut to the basket and try to get open. If they just stand around it won't work.

                      We've all seen what happens when the team the team doesn't run, doesn't attack the rim, and can't hit their shots. It's good to have JO's post scoring to fall back on. At the very least it'll draw some fouls.

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                      • #12
                        Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

                        Anyone who heard the JoB show last night has the explanation right there, indeed, otherwise the inside out game would never work, they will have to understand that there are 2 poisons to take, inside (read JO) or outside (read our shooters, you can shut one down, not both, for that to be established, JO needs to score more.
                        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                        • #13
                          Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

                          Originally posted by able View Post
                          Anyone who heard the JoB show last night has the explanation right there, indeed, otherwise the inside out game would never work, they will have to understand that there are 2 poisons to take, inside (read JO) or outside (read our shooters, you can shut one down, not both, for that to be established, JO needs to score more.
                          I hope Obie's able to find the right mix. Right now, it just feels a bit clunky.

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                          • #14
                            Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

                            Originally posted by Arcadian View Post
                            Averaging 13 points is bad. Wanting to improve on that is bad.

                            No where did I see anyone say the offense was going to change.
                            Yes you did, here let me requote it for you.

                            “We are not doing justice to his game with our spacing. What we're looking to get is, when he gets the basketball in the low post, we need a cutter to go at the rim for him to be able to find him. We don't need three cutters because all of a sudden there he is with the basketball in the low post with three of our offensive guys and three of their defensive guys and it's very, very difficult for him to score in crowds."

                            Now I don't have time to go back and re-read every single quote from Jim O'Brien but to my knowledge this is the first time I remember reading him talk about spacing and only one person cutting.

                            This my friends is the absolute definition of what Rick Carlisle ran over the last couple of years. Everybody haning on the arc and Stephen Jackson cutting in the lane while J.O. proceded to go 1 on 3.

                            Let's not forget that he would get some nice looking assists going to Jackson as well so this whole "he'll get assist" is not a new thing.

                            This also goes along with something I thought was weird about the O'Brien show last night. All season long, even when he was out with injury's, he kept emphatically saying that Troy Murphy would be the starter along with J.O.

                            Now last night he said that it could either be Murphy or Foster. My guess is that with the return of the half court slog ball we will see more of the same.

                            In other words the exact same lineup it has been for years with Tinsley, Foster and O'Neal. Only exchange the names Miller and Artest for Dunleavy and Granger.

                            Now to the shock of some I will say this, I have no real problem if we use this as a weapon in our arsenal. However if this becomes the offense again then all of that talk from Bird and O'brien was just that, TALK.


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            • #15
                              Re: JO ready to take over as number one scoring option

                              Although I don't like that the offense will run through JONeal more ( cuz I too am concerned that we could revert back to slog-ball ), as long as he is able to pass it out effectively and ( more importantly ) the rest of the team is moving around trying to get open while not clogging up the paint....then I am more then willing to see how the offense would work.

                              However, this does bring up an interesting question. Correct me if I am wrong...but I thought one of the tenants of JO'Bs offense is to get the offense going as soon as possible upcourt so that the opposing defense doesn't have time to setup their defense.

                              If the offense is going to run more through JONeal....but he is one of the few ( if not the only ) players that is essentially "given a pass" on not running up the court as fast as possible to get into the offense ( as mentioned in JO'Bs radio show yesterday )....then how will our offense run if it's going to somehow run through JONeal while sticking to the "3 second" rule?
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