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    Default Does anyone miss the old days?

    Does anyone miss scoring 101.3 points per game (in 99/00) & other team statistics in recent years?

    The last eight/nine years:

    Pacers team scoring/game:
    96/97: 95.4
    97/98: 96.0
    98/99: 94.7
    99/00: 101.3
    00/01: 92.6
    01/02: 96.8
    02/03: 96.8
    03/04: 91.4

    Pacers opponents' scoring/game:
    96/97: 94.4
    97/98: 89.9
    98/99: 90.9
    99/00: 96.7
    00/01: 92.8
    01/02: 96.5
    02/03: 93.3
    03/04: 85.6

    Pacers FT %:
    96/97: 72.2
    97/98: 76.4
    98/99: 79.6
    99/00: 81.1
    00/01: 76.6
    01/02: 77.2
    02/03: 76.6
    03/04: 76.4

    Pacers 3PM made/attempted:
    96/97: 430-1,130
    97/98: 401-1,029
    98/99: 294-799
    99/00: 583-1,487
    00/01: 396-1,159
    01/02: 405-1,195
    02/03: 379-1,119
    03/04: 449-1,281

    Pacers rebounds/game:
    96/97: 41.7
    97/98: 39.3
    98/99: 40.5
    99/00: 42.1
    00/01: 42.9
    01/02: 42.7
    02/03: 44.2
    03/04: 41.7

    Pacers assists/game:
    96/97: 21.3
    97/98: 23.0
    98/99: 20.1
    99/00: 22.6
    00/01: 21.5
    01/02: 23.0
    02/03: 23.3
    03/04: 21.6

    Most importantly:
    Pacers win percentages:
    96/97: 47.6
    97/98: 70.7
    98/99: 66.0
    99/00: 68.3
    00/01: 50.0
    01/02: 51.2
    02/03: 58.5
    03/04: 75.3
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    If anyone can tell/speculate, what do you think were the correlations between the success of the teams & their team statistics? Do you even care about any statistics besides the # of wins or win %? Does anyone conclude any trends, either Pacerswide or leaguewide from these stats?

    ...Or just look at the stats and think, that's what I do.

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    Cool stats,

    I miss the Reggie of old, I like this team the best though.

    This series vs Detroit is my absolute favorite type of basketball.

    Detroit getting 19 blocks, Indy holding Detroit scoreless for over 10mins and still losing the game lol...

    good stuff.

    I think about having Reggie Miller as he was in 1994 with this team and see 6 pacer championships. This team woulda won more championships than the bulls with a youthful Reggie.

    They still got a good shot at winning one with a old Reggie.

    To your original question though, "Do you even care about any statistics besides the # of wins or win %? Does anyone conclude any trends, either Pacerswide or leaguewide from these stats?"

    Yes, I think the proof is in the puddin, this team holds its opponents to 76pts a game, that's almost 10pts less than the 99 team. yet this team still has very capable scorers, hence you see 75% wins. Defense wins championships eh?

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    I started watching the Pacers a little before the Artest/Miller trade so I didn't watch them in the old days.

    But I wish we would get some of that back.

    I know Indiana had teams that were high scoring and good shooting. Thats what I wish for. Thats what I would like to see.

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    I don't care what Indiana scores as long as they score more than the opponent!

    Actually, common sense tells you that if you play solid defense and limit the other team's possessions then you have a chance to win at the end. Jack up a bunch of shots and not only do you give the other team more possessions in a game but you give them opportunities at cheap baskets in transition.

    Jacking up a bunch of shots might work if you have some scorers BUT offense tends to be streaky AND some teams DO play defense which can keep the ball out of the basket as well. Especially true come playoff time when teams can focus on one opponent and game at a time.

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    I think I want to see a style of game where defense matters but where the scorer has a legitimnate chance to get the ball up.

    I love a low-scoring defensive monster game like I love a pitchers' duel. It means every little posession, every tiny extra effort, every slight mistake has a HUGE impact on the game. It raises the importance of the whole thing.

    For example, Detroit's shooting in the fourth quarter last night finished out being not just lousy but, to the uneducated eye, amateurishly bad. I submit that this is the direct effect of the kind of defensive game they were forced to play combined with a Pacer defense that forced them out of comfort zones and to shoot bad shots.

    Good defense does not mean the other team gets no shots (though that'd be nice ) it means that the other team doesn't get the shots they want.

    I'm loving this series.
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    I miss the assists from last year. It wasn't terribly unusual to hear Mark Boyle say "39 baskets on 31 assists..." driving home from the game.

    I can tell you right now, my sister misses the FT's from '99-'00. That's her big pet peeve (has something to do with growing up watching The White Shadow.)
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    Default Re: Does anyone miss the old days?

    Sure, I'll always miss the old team. But their time has passed, and we have a nice new team to root to the Finals and (hopefully) beyond.

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    Default Re: Does anyone miss the old days?

    I miss the 2000 teams' scoring/shooting/free throws.

    God I'd love to see that kind of offense mixed with our defense.

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    I miss the 2000 teams' scoring/shooting/free throws.

    God I'd love to see that kind of offense mixed with our defense.
    You're telling me! If only we had Mark Jackson back...

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    Default Re: Does anyone miss the old days?

    I miss the 2000 teams' scoring/shooting/free throws.

    God I'd love to see that kind of offense mixed with our defense.
    You're telling me! If only we had Mark Jackson back...
    Yeah, the "old" Mark Jackson. Not the OLD Mark Jackson.

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