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    Default We have one 3-dimensional player.

    We only have one three-dimensional player. By this, I mean someone who is:

    A. Dangerous from the outside

    B. Can drive to the hole

    C. Has midrange moves and shots.


    Jermaine has B and C, which is fine. I don't expect him to be Dirk or Rasheed. But he in fact is not tridimensional.

    Granger is truly impressive this year. Awesome from three and some explosive drives to the basket. But he has yet to show any impressive moves in between, which, over time, makes it easy for teams to stop him once he's sufficiently scouted. I call it the Croshere syndrome.

    Shawne Williams. Same as Danny. Croshere syndrome. He looks like he might have some midrange game inside him, but I haven't seen it yet. He's not as good yet as Danny going to the hole, but I've seen him do it a couple of times that was outa sight.

    Foster. Skip

    Ike. B. and C. Phenomenal.

    Marquis. Great midrange game. Can take it to the hole. No A.

    Tins. Same as Marquis.

    Murphy. Great A game. B and C. mediocre.

    Diener. A game, mostly.

    Owens. Some A, decent B.

    Rush. Haven't seen enough. Great A, obviously.

    Is that everybody?

    Of course, the one player on our squad who is a triple threat is Mike Dunleavy. He's not Michael Jordan, but I do breathe a sigh of relief when he gets it on the perimeter. He can shoot it, drive a few steps, pull up for a medium jumper, spin around for a better shot, or head all the way to the bucket for a nice drive. Or pass it off.

    Many of our other players have Croshere syndrome, where if they aren't firing up the three, then they are hellbent on a drive and somewhat out of control.

    I'm just thankful to have Dunleavy (Jax's replacement, who was also a triple threat). We need a couple more players to grow into this role.

    Tins could be an awesome threat with a great outside shot, but don't see it happening.

    Danny could get there eventually, but I doubt it for this year.

    Shawne might have the best chance. He's talented, got moves and instincts. But he would have to blossom quickly.

    Anyway, it's nice to have Dun. Hopefully he keeps up the mojo he's started the season with.
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    Default Re: We have one 3-dimensional player.

    What happened to post play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayRedd View Post
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    What happened to post play?
    I'm no expert. But I guess I consider post play to be a combination of B and C.

    Either you spin or fade away for the shot (midrange) or you fake and head to the hole (option B.)

    Regardless, I suppose one of the main points here is if there is a player who is a triple threat when he gets the ball on the perimeter.
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    Default Re: We have one 3-dimensional player.

    You mean he maintains the triple-threat stance, where he is able to shoot, pass or dribble?

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    Regardless, I suppose one of the main points here is if there is a player who is a triple threat when he gets the ball on the perimeter.
    Not a good metric for a big man.

    Regardless, I'd rather have somebody who's amazing at one of them than mediocre with all three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
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    You mean he maintains the triple-threat stance, where he is able to shoot, pass or dribble?
    C'mon, you know what I mean.

    Try to catch the spirit of the thread, guys. We have one perimeter player who can shoot, drive, or stop midway and create a shot.

    Nobody else on our team can do that.
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    Well, I don't really consider Dunleavy to be much of a threat to get to the hoop off the dribble. Much less so than Tinsley or Marquis, and probably even less than Danny. IMO, neither Danny nor Dun are better than the average NBA rotation-caliber guard in this respect.

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    I'm just thankful to have Dunleavy (Jax's replacement, who was also a triple threat).
    I stopped right there because I realized I was on the wrong board. Jack having some aspect of his game acknowledged as quality?!?! Outrageous.

    I agree that post play should be another aspect. Oh, and that other end of the court too. But in the spirit of your discussion I do agree that Mike is the one guy I feel pretty good about everywhere (well I spoke too soon, I feel like Danny is strong too).

    However be careful on his 3 point game. He's had nice spurts in the last few years but ended up with horrible totals. Last year he was great from deep in NOV.

    To me he seems MUCH better if he can step into the deep ball. Someone else mentioned this a month or 2 back as I recall (thought it was Anthem maybe). His 0-4 vs MEM seemed to show this.

    But inside the arc he's probably the best all-around offensive player on the team. Danny is pushing him quite a bit.


    BTW, the money ball for Dun is the curl catch and shoot out high. I saw him miss one later in the game the other day, but for the most part seeing that play going is like seeing Reggie on that baseline curl for a 3 attempt. You feel really good about it's chances.

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    Default Re: We have one 3-dimensional player.

    i think dunleavy is a great mid-range shooter but just an average 3pt shooters.. some players are just like that

    dun dun was such a good shooter back at duke cuz the 3 line is short so its like mid-range with the nba
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    Shawne might have the best chance. He's talented, got moves and instincts. But he would have to blossom quickly.
    I agree.....

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    Well, I don't really consider Dunleavy to be much of a threat to get to the hoop off the dribble.
    Maybe you're right.

    But now is not the time to be saying so after Dunleavy's performance against Memphis. He had a sweeeet move to the basket late in the game, threading between two defenders and then reversing the ball off the glass. It was just one bucket, but it showed instinct and ability to get to the hoop.
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    Maybe you're right.

    But now is not the time to be saying so after Dunleavy's performance against Memphis. He had a sweeeet move to the basket late in the game, threading between two defenders and then reversing the ball off the glass. It was just one bucket, but it showed instinct and ability to get to the hoop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Putnam View Post
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    Maybe you're right.

    But now is not the time to be saying so after Dunleavy's performance against Memphis. He had a sweeeet move to the basket late in the game, threading between two defenders and then reversing the ball off the glass. It was just one bucket, but it showed instinct and ability to get to the hoop.
    That was a nice take, yes, but c'mon...it's Mike Miller.

    This offense does make for very nice seams to penetrate though, so he has been getting by people more often than he historically has been able to, and I predict that he'll have his most successful year driving to the hole. I mean, he was pretty adept at it in college, but his first-step hasn't really proven quick enough so far at this level to get by people and then turn the corner. All the ball movement in our new system should lead to poorly rotating defenses, however, and with his ability to make great ball fakes, he should be able to turn some some of the moves where he shot-fakes, takes two dribbles and normally pulls up from 15 into plays where he gets all the way to the bucket.

    Marquis should really start taking advantage of this too, and hopefully Granger as well. In fact, Kareem was even able to get some nice penetration at least twice in that Memphis game. My guess is that we'll face few defenses as porous as that again this year, but, IMO, it's really great for these guys mentally to have a lot of early success off the dribble drive -- especially the ones who have struggled with it so far in their careers (mainly Dun and Danny). And in JO and Diogu, we have two really good finishes who move into open space well for dump offs if their men rotate to help.
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    Nice clip.

    But, actually, there's better moves to showcase, like when he did a spin move about ten feet out and banked it in. That midrange game is what Danny lacks.
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    Don't forget Dun is a decent rebounder.

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