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    from sports illustrated, just found it interesting

    As both a Boston player and executive, Ainge has not been afraid of the risks involved in acting boldly. Back in 1988, when he was one of the Celtics' backcourt starters, he was seated at a table with Bird, forward Kevin McHale and team president Red Auerbach during the organization's Christmas party. At the time Boston was reportedly considering trades that would have sent Bird and McHale to the Indiana Pacers and Dallas Mavericks, respectively. "Look at these two guys," Ainge told Auerbach, over the surrounding conversations of other players and their families. "Larry's got casts on his feet [from surgery to remove bone spurs in both heels], Kevin's got a screw in his foot [to repair a stress fracture] -- you've got to trade these guys." Everyone laughed at Ainge's typical audacity, but he wasn't joking. "I would have traded Larry Bird," he insists today.
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    who would we have offered? chuck? reggie? imagine if reggie had spent his career as a celtic

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    Default Re: did pacers try to trade for larry bird back in '88? [si]

    Its scary to think "what could have happened" im happy however that it didn't happen, as much as i like larry as a player...We wouldn't have had our Reggie Miller moments If he were to be one of those players in a larry trade.
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    I doubt the Celts would have been interested in Reggie at that time since
    he was a relatively unknown rookie commodity, and didn't get much playing
    time behind John Long.

    Without knowing what the contract situations were at the time, I could
    see them as having been interested in maybe getting Chuck Person,
    possibly along with Scott Skiles in a trade for Bird.

    Even had a trade for Bird been pulled off, I don't think we had the
    supporting cast necessary at that time to become a championship
    caliber team, even with a Larry Bird on it.

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    Most trades that the Celtics made in those days centered around future draft picks. That's how they go the Len Bias pick, for example.

    So if it was after the 1987 season, it would have been for the pick used to take Rik Smits in the 1988 drfat, by that logic. If later, it might have been for the pick used to take McCleod in 1989.

    Plus decent players and other picks, no doubt.

    Bird's back would have still gone out and the Pacers would likely not have been as successful in the 90s.

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    Ummm....yeah...Not sure who this Ian Thomsen character is...But Red wasn't trading Larry Bird.

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    I've seen lots of interviews with Red Auerbach where he mentioned that people within the Celtics organization thought that he should not let the "big three" grow old together, but instead use one or two of them to get younger.

    His argument was that he wanted every player to lay everything out on the court, and that was a lot more likely to happen if that player felt that there was loyalty running both ways between team and player. He could have made the 90s brighter but the cost would be destroying the sense of loyalty that existed and in some ways tarnishing the 80s. He accepted some lower lows because it made possible higher highs, if that makes sense.

    It's probably covered in some of the recent bios on Red.

    Make no mistake, to most Red was a mean tough SOB. But once he found a hard-nosed hard-working player who had a burning desire to win, he bonded to that player.

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    Ummm....yeah...Not sure who this Ian Thomsen character is...But Red wasn't trading Larry Bird.
    But Ainge wanted him to.
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    Not sure how much he valued Ainge's opinon:

    He could also be crude, abusive, and hostile. He once sought out Ainge after Ainge played a particularly bad game in Washington. "What, were you out drinking with your other wife?" Auerbach said to Ainge, a Mormon.
    http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb..._celtics_dies/

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacertom View Post
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    I've seen lots of interviews with Red Auerbach where he mentioned that people within the Celtics organization thought that he should not let the "big three" grow old together, but instead use one or two of them to get younger.

    His argument was that he wanted every player to lay everything out on the court, and that was a lot more likely to happen if that player felt that there was loyalty running both ways between team and player. He could have made the 90s brighter but the cost would be destroying the sense of loyalty that existed and in some ways tarnishing the 80s. He accepted some lower lows because it made possible higher highs, if that makes sense.

    It's probably covered in some of the recent bios on Red.

    Make no mistake, to most Red was a mean tough SOB. But once he found a hard-nosed hard-working player who had a burning desire to win, he bonded to that player.
    And honestly the biggest reasons for the Celtics rough 90s are Bias and Lewis. Keep them alive and I think the team keeps making playoffs and maybe even pushes into the mix a bit. That's a ton of talent to have suddenly die on you. Horrible luck for all involved.

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    But Ainge wanted him to.
    But a year after the "joke" Ainge was the one who got traded....

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    Reggie Miller and Larry Bird are the names that immediately popps up when asked "Who is the greatest shooter ever?" or even "Who is the greatest clutch shooter ever?". WOW, imagine if Larry & Reggie played in the same team? Slick would be exhausted screaming out all those boom babys.
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