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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • ABA Transaction Thread

    Figured I'd start this until we have an interface to use.

    I'm looking for a C. Have lots of good forwards. Send a PM if you wanna wheel and deal.
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  • #2
    Re: ABA Transaction Thread

    Interested in Bogut?
    Play Mafia!
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    • #3
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      Sure...send an offer.
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      • #4
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        Jose, should we be putting our waiver wire transactions (adds/drops) on here, as well? At least until able has the league fantasy website up and running.

        If so, should Mal lock the draft thread?

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        • #5
          Re: ABA Transaction Thread

          i'm also looking for a center and listening to offers, PM me
          This is the darkest timeline.

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          • #6
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            Like BoomBaby said, we should just use this thread for transactions now and let the "ABA Selection" draft thread die a quick, cold death. (Lock it up?)

            Again, I'm only assuming all add/drops are fair play post draft. If you wanna give us an official "A-Okay" Jose, it would be appreciated. But since Jose made a replacement, and me and Pig Nash already taken the liberty to at least attempt to make a move each, I'll just post these below for the record.

            These were the only three non-draftee posts I saw in the other thread...but if I missed any that you made, please let us know here.



            Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
            I'm replacing Johan Petro with Spencer Hawes
            Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
            Well, I can't find as much evidence as I thought I would to get Antonio McDyess preseason C eligibility, so I need serious C help.

            If possible at this point, I'd like to drop Marcus Williams (NJ) and pick up Ryan Hollins (CHA).
            Originally posted by Pig Nash View Post
            I'd like to drop Sebastian Telfair and pick up Julian Wright.
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            • #7
              Re: ABA Transaction Thread

              Thanks for getting this started Jay Redd.

              The future ex had to work on her laptop most of the day.

              I'm suppose to have my PC back Friday afternoon. Can I get a banner count down ticker too?

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              • #8
                Re: ABA Transaction Thread

                Originally posted by BoomBaby33 View Post
                Jose, should we be putting our waiver wire transactions (adds/drops) on here, as well? At least until able has the league fantasy website up and running.

                If so, should Mal lock the draft thread?
                Yes, lets put all of our transactions in this thread.

                You guys can drop & add whoever you like just as long as you know for a fact that the player you're picking up is not currently on a team.

                Once our site is up, all dropped players will have to set in a "waiver" pool for 24 hours.

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                • #9
                  Re: ABA Transaction Thread

                  Available Player Pool

                  I believe this is up to date as far as transactions in our league as well as the NBA is concerned.

                  If you see an error, I wouldn't be shocked, please let me know.

                  Afflalo, Arron
                  Ager, Maurice
                  Akindele, Deji
                  Allen, Malik
                  Almond, Morris
                  Amundson, Louis
                  Anthony, Joe
                  Armstrong, Darrell
                  Augustine, James

                  Banks, Marcus
                  Barea, Jose
                  Barron, Earl
                  Barry, Brent
                  Baston, Maceo
                  Battie, Tony
                  Booth, Calvin
                  Bowen, Bruce
                  Bowen, Ryan
                  Brooks, Aaron
                  Brown, Andre
                  Brown, Shannon
                  Buckner, Greg
                  Butler, Jackie
                  Butler, Rasual

                  Campbell, Marcus
                  Cardinal, Brian
                  Carter, Anthony
                  Chandler, Wilson
                  Chase, Brian
                  Claxton, Speedy
                  Collins, Jarron
                  Collins, Jason
                  Collins, Mardy
                  Cook, Daequan
                  Croshere, Austin
                  Curry, JamesOn

                  Daniels, Antonio
                  Davidson, Jermareo
                  Davis, Glen
                  Davis, Paul
                  Diawara, Yakhouba
                  Dickau, Dan
                  Dooling, Keyon
                  Dudley, Jared
                  Dupree, Ronald

                  Edwards, John
                  Evans, Maurice

                  Farmar, Jordan
                  Fazekas, Nick
                  Fesenko, Kyrylo

                  Gardner, Thomas
                  Garrity, Pat
                  Gelabale, Mickael
                  George, Devean
                  Giricek, Gordan
                  Gortat, Marcin
                  Graham, Stephen
                  Green, Devin
                  Green, Taurean
                  Greene, Orien
                  Griffin, Adrian

                  Hall, Mike
                  Haluska, Adam
                  Hardaway, Anfernee
                  Harrington, Othella
                  Hart, Jason
                  Hill, Herbert
                  Hollins, Ryan
                  Horry, Robert
                  Howard, Juwan
                  Hudson, Troy
                  Humphries, Kris
                  Hunter, Lindsey

                  Ilic, Mile
                  Ilunga-Mbenga, Didier
                  Ivey, Royal

                  Jackson, Luke
                  Jacobsen, Casey
                  James, Jerome
                  Jaric, Marko
                  Johnson, Alexander
                  Johnson, Anthony
                  Jones, Bobby
                  Jones, Damon
                  Jones, Dwayne
                  Jones, Fred
                  Jones, Solomon

                  Karl, Coby
                  Khryapa, Viktor
                  Kinsey, Tarence

                  Landry, Carl
                  Lasme, Stephane
                  Livingston, Shaun
                  Lucas III, John
                  Lue, Tyronn
                  Lyde, Kevin

                  Madsen, Mark
                  Mahinmi, Ian
                  Marks, Sean
                  Marshall, Rawle
                  Martin, Darrick
                  Mason, Roger
                  May, Sean
                  McGuire, Dominic
                  McInnis, Jeff
                  McRoberts, Josh
                  Mejia, Sammy
                  Miles, C.J.
                  Miles, Darius
                  Moon, Jamario
                  Morris, Randolph
                  Morrison, Adam
                  Muoneke, Gabe

                  Najera, Eduardo
                  Newble, Ira
                  Noel, David
                  Novak, Steve

                  Oden, Greg
                  Ollie, Kevin
                  Outlaw, Bo
                  Owens, Andre

                  Pecherov, Oleksiy
                  Perovic, Kosta
                  Johan Petro
                  Piatkowski, Eric
                  Pollard, Scot
                  Powe, Leon
                  Powell, Josh
                  Price, Ronnie
                  Pruitt, Gabe

                  Quinn, Chris

                  Randolph, Shavlik
                  Reed, Justin
                  Richard, Chris
                  Richardson, Jeremy
                  Robinson, Bernard
                  Rose, Malik
                  Ross, Quinton
                  Ruffin, Michael

                  Samb, Cheik
                  Scalabrine, Brian
                  Sene, Mouhamed
                  Sessions, Ramon
                  Shakur, Mustafa
                  Simien, Wayne
                  Simmons, Cedric
                  Skinner, Brian
                  Slaughter, Marcus
                  Snow, Eric
                  Snyder, Kirk
                  Storey, Awvee
                  Stoudamire, Salim
                  Strawberry, D.J.
                  Stuckey, Rodney
                  Sun Yue
                  Sura, Bob

                  Telfair, Sebastian
                  Thomas, Doug
                  Thomas, Etan
                  Tucker, Alando

                  Udoka, Ime
                  Udrih, Beno

                  Vaughn, Jacque
                  Vinicius, Marcus
                  Voskuhl, Jake
                  Vujacic, Sasha

                  Wafer, Von
                  Wallace, Brandon
                  Washington, Darius
                  Watkins, Darryl
                  West, Mario
                  Wilks, Mike
                  Williams, Aaron
                  Williams, Justin
                  Williams, Marcus
                  Williams, Sean
                  Wilmont, Roderick
                  Wright, Antoine
                  Wright, Brandan
                  Wright, Lorenzen
                  Last edited by Jose Slaughter; 10-30-2007, 08:34 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: ABA Transaction Thread

                    Young Turks waived Derek Anderson and have picked up Rasual Butler.

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                    • #11
                      Re: ABA Transaction Thread

                      Jose,

                      Chucky Atkins needs to be moved from your available player list (although he will be unavailable to play for several weeks.)
                      PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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                      • #12
                        Re: ABA Transaction Thread

                        Diamond Dave waives Etan Thomas and picks up Bruce Bowen
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                        • #13
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                          Magic Rats waive Nazr Mohammed and pick up Brent Barry.....
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                            Hey, have some good fowards and guards, need a center. Send PM's with ideas.
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                            • #15
                              Re: ABA Transaction Thread

                              JayRedd waives Ryan Hollins and picks up Nazr Mohammed.
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