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    The Indiana Pacers-Detroit Pistons series is an incredibly fun series for me to watch because of the great defense played by both teams. Teams are making incredible stops and breathtaking blocks in every game. The help defense on the weak side is phenomenal and penetration has been consistently stifled. The defensive intensity is absolutely amazing.

    As well as the Pacers have played defensively, they haven't matched the intensity on the offensive side and now find themselves in a 2-1 deficit. A team has to put together a special blend of offense to score on a defense with such defensive quality, intensity and individual abilities. It's extremely difficult to get good shooting opportunities and to capitalize on the ones that do come.




    Jermaine O'Neal and the Pacers should be exploiting the Pistons' help defense.

    The Diagnosis
    In this series the Pacers have seldom seen open shots and have had trouble getting the ball inside to Jermaine O'Neal. I recall a play earlier in the series where Reggie Miller had the ball at the left wing with O'Neal in the post and Rasheed Wallace covering him. The other players were spread away from the play, which seemed a perfect situation for Miller to dump the ball into O'Neal and let him work inside. But Wallace was so active in defending O'Neal from the side and actively moving around that Miller couldn't make the pass. The play resulted in a turnover and a wasted opportunity.
    Sadly, wasted offensive opportunities have been an anthem for the Pacers in this series. Obviously, they haven't received many good opportunities to score, but they're squandering the ones they get. They have to find a way to score effectively.




    The Cure
    The Pacers need to use penetrations on individual matchups to create shots for other players. Indiana has to take advantage of Detroit's great help defense by quickly kicking the ball out once the second defender engages him to get the open player a high quality shot. Right now, the Pacers are driving to the basket and getting their shots blocked repeatedly. In Game 2, they were blocked 19 times and that's not an anomaly because the Pistons are a long, athletic team.
    The Pacers should drive at any defender who's quickly coming at them. It will cause the defender to either engage him and possibly foul or back up and create more space for the offensive player. The Pacers have several players in Ron Artest, Al Harrington, Jamaal Tinsley, Jonathan Bender, Anthony Johnson and Austin Croshere who can put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket. If that doesn't work, then the first player to get the ball on the weakside should kick the ball to an open player once the help defense comes. That's probably their best tactic because it will create open looks.


    This isn't going to be an up-and-down game, but the Pacers need to convert the opportunities they receive. Right now, they aren't being aggressive enough at the basket in fastbreak situations and are settling for layups, which can and are being blocked. If the Pacers attack the basket and go for the dunk, the defender has to go through him to get the ball and foul.

    Another factor for the Pacers is to keep their turnovers down and to generate as many as they can. Currently, their second-chance points are being negated by the Pistons' shot-blockers. The Wallaces are flying to the ball and the Pacers aren't reversing the ball out and getting it to the open player. Once Rasheed Wallace or Ben Wallace goes for a block, it's very difficult for them to turn around and get a rebound if a shot is successfully launched. Indiana has to take advantage and get the rebound in those situations.

    As I stated earlier, it's very difficult for any team to score on a defense as ferocious as the Pistons, but if the Pacers take this prescription, they may find themselves with more points on the board.

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    I could not agree more with his solution, something many of us have been saying since before the series started.

    Posts ups are not working well, but postups are the basis for the Pacers offense, and has been all season.

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    I don't want to sound like a wet blanket but I just don't see any match-ups or any adjustments that could help the Pacers score more points. I'm sorry but that's the why I feel about it.

    The Pacers are a one-on-one team. Rick has been playing them one way ALL season and you just can't change overnight in the playoffs.

    One-on-one Jermaine is having trouble with scoring on Wallace and Wallace (mainly Sheed).

    Driving to the basket just won't get it done. Our guards play great defense and when someone drives they force them to the big guys for a block.

    I haven't seen the Pacers run that many pick-in-rolls. If they do run them who will it be with? JO and Reggie? Tins and JO? Oh well we'll never know.

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    I don't want to sound like a wet blanket but I just don't see any match-ups or any adjustments that could help the Pacers score more points. I'm sorry but that's the why I feel about it.

    The Pacers are a one-on-one team. Rick has been playing them one way ALL season and you just can't change overnight in the playoffs.

    One-on-one Jermaine is having trouble with scoring on Wallace and Wallace (mainly Sheed).

    Driving to the basket just won't get it done. Our guards play great defense and when someone drives they force them to the big guys for a block.

    I haven't seen the Pacers run that many pick-in-rolls. If they do run them who will it be with? JO and Reggie? Tins and JO? Oh well we'll never know.

    Oh well, I guess we should just forget it then. Damn I actually thought that we had a chance with this article. Man... I guess that we'll never be able to beat the Pistons. There just seems to be no possible way. According to their fans they have every positon locked.

    Damn I was really wanting us to win tonight too. Thanks for straightening us out Dynasty.

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    I don't want to sound like a wet blanket but I just don't see any match-ups or any adjustments that could help the Pacers score more points. I'm sorry but that's the why I feel about it.

    The Pacers are a one-on-one team. Rick has been playing them one way ALL season and you just can't change overnight in the playoffs.

    One-on-one Jermaine is having trouble with scoring on Wallace and Wallace (mainly Sheed).

    Driving to the basket just won't get it done. Our guards play great defense and when someone drives they force them to the big guys for a block.

    I haven't seen the Pacers run that many pick-in-rolls. If they do run them who will it be with? JO and Reggie? Tins and JO? Oh well we'll never know.

    Oh well, I guess we should just forget it then. Damn I actually thought that we had a chance with this article. Man... I guess that we'll never be able to beat the Pistons. There just seems to be no possible way. According to their fans they have every positon locked.

    Damn I was really wanting us to win tonight too. Thanks for straightening us out Dynasty.
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    I don't want to sound like a wet blanket but I just don't see any match-ups or any adjustments that could help the Pacers score more points. I'm sorry but that's the why I feel about it.

    The Pacers are a one-on-one team. Rick has been playing them one way ALL season and you just can't change overnight in the playoffs.

    One-on-one Jermaine is having trouble with scoring on Wallace and Wallace (mainly Sheed).

    Driving to the basket just won't get it done. Our guards play great defense and when someone drives they force them to the big guys for a block.

    I haven't seen the Pacers run that many pick-in-rolls. If they do run them who will it be with? JO and Reggie? Tins and JO? Oh well we'll never know.

    Oh well, I guess we should just forget it then. Damn I actually thought that we had a chance with this article. Man... I guess that we'll never be able to beat the Pistons. There just seems to be no possible way. According to their fans they have every positon locked.

    Damn I was really wanting us to win tonight too. Thanks for straightening us out Dynasty.
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    Not quiet true PD. We run alot of isolation true, but just as a supplement to what was good ball movement, passing, dumping down low. Unfortunately, the Piston's are good at shutting down our passiong lanes and have been forcing us more and more into going 1 on 1. They've done a good job of forcing us to do what they wanted us to do. Hopefully, we learned from the 4th Q last game. Hopefully Ron, ANthony, Jamaal, and Al can relocate their shot. Hopefully rasheed and Ben oversleep tonight.
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    PD, it is not like the Pistons are winning by 15 points a game.

    First two games were dead even the whole way.

    Game #3 the Pistons controlled most of the way, because of the first quarter, but it was a one point game with about a minute to go.

    Pistons deserve to be up 2-1, not disputing that but they have hardly dominated

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    Sadly, wasted offensive opportunities have been an anthem for the Pacers in this series. Obviously, they haven't received many good opportunities to score, but they're squandering the ones they get. They have to find a way to score effectively.

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    PD, it is not like the Pistons are winning by 15 points a game.

    First two games were dead even the whole way.

    Game #3 the Pistons controlled most of the way, because of the first quarter, but it was a one point game with about a minute to go.

    Pistons deserve to be up 2-1, not disputing that but they have hardly dominated
    I don't want to sound like a super duper homer but every game the Pistons have been throwing alot of unforced turnovers every game. If they cut those turnovers down by half that would be about 10 more possessions and chances to score.

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ack&id=1810557


    The Indiana Pacers-Detroit Pistons series is an incredibly fun series for me to watch because of the great defense played by both teams. Teams are making incredible stops and breathtaking blocks in every game. The help defense on the weak side is phenomenal and penetration has been consistently stifled. The defensive intensity is absolutely amazing.

    As well as the Pacers have played defensively, they haven't matched the intensity on the offensive side and now find themselves in a 2-1 deficit. A team has to put together a special blend of offense to score on a defense with such defensive quality, intensity and individual abilities. It's extremely difficult to get good shooting opportunities and to capitalize on the ones that do come.




    Jermaine O'Neal and the Pacers should be exploiting the Pistons' help defense.

    The Diagnosis
    In this series the Pacers have seldom seen open shots and have had trouble getting the ball inside to Jermaine O'Neal. I recall a play earlier in the series where Reggie Miller had the ball at the left wing with O'Neal in the post and Rasheed Wallace covering him. The other players were spread away from the play, which seemed a perfect situation for Miller to dump the ball into O'Neal and let him work inside. But Wallace was so active in defending O'Neal from the side and actively moving around that Miller couldn't make the pass. The play resulted in a turnover and a wasted opportunity.
    Sadly, wasted offensive opportunities have been an anthem for the Pacers in this series. Obviously, they haven't received many good opportunities to score, but they're squandering the ones they get. They have to find a way to score effectively.




    The Cure
    The Pacers need to use penetrations on individual matchups to create shots for other players. Indiana has to take advantage of Detroit's great help defense by quickly kicking the ball out once the second defender engages him to get the open player a high quality shot. Right now, the Pacers are driving to the basket and getting their shots blocked repeatedly. In Game 2, they were blocked 19 times and that's not an anomaly because the Pistons are a long, athletic team.
    The Pacers should drive at any defender who's quickly coming at them. It will cause the defender to either engage him and possibly foul or back up and create more space for the offensive player. The Pacers have several players in Ron Artest, Al Harrington, Jamaal Tinsley, Jonathan Bender, Anthony Johnson and Austin Croshere who can put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket. If that doesn't work, then the first player to get the ball on the weakside should kick the ball to an open player once the help defense comes. That's probably their best tactic because it will create open looks.


    This isn't going to be an up-and-down game, but the Pacers need to convert the opportunities they receive. Right now, they aren't being aggressive enough at the basket in fastbreak situations and are settling for layups, which can and are being blocked. If the Pacers attack the basket and go for the dunk, the defender has to go through him to get the ball and foul.

    Another factor for the Pacers is to keep their turnovers down and to generate as many as they can. Currently, their second-chance points are being negated by the Pistons' shot-blockers. The Wallaces are flying to the ball and the Pacers aren't reversing the ball out and getting it to the open player. Once Rasheed Wallace or Ben Wallace goes for a block, it's very difficult for them to turn around and get a rebound if a shot is successfully launched. Indiana has to take advantage and get the rebound in those situations.

    As I stated earlier, it's very difficult for any team to score on a defense as ferocious as the Pistons, but if the Pacers take this prescription, they may find themselves with more points on the board.
    http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3553

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    The Pacers are a one-on-one team. Rick has been playing them one way ALL season and you just can't change overnight in the playoffs.
    The Pacers have played a lot of games this year where they have scored, for example, 30 field goals on 25 assists.

    One-on-one basketball is NOT the strength of this team, PistonsDynasty. Post-ups sure, but usually post-ups that are not the result of the offensive player "backing down' the defender, but rather getting position without the ball and taking a solid post-entry pass.

    Detroit has denied entry passes incredibly well.
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    I don't want to sound like a super duper homer but every game the Pistons have been throwing alot of unforced turnovers every game. If they cut those turnovers down by half that would be about 10 more possessions and chances to score.

    Pistons were 18th worst in turnovers this season. That is one of their weaknesses. And the Pacers are one of the better teams at forcing turnovers, with Ron and Tinsley.

    So you are saying that the Pistons have 10 unforced turnovers per game. No way. They might have 2 or 3.

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    The Pacers are a one-on-one team. Rick has been playing them one way ALL season and you just can't change overnight in the playoffs.
    The Pacers have played a lot of games this year where they have scored, for example, 30 field goals on 25 assists.

    One-on-one basketball is NOT the strength of this team, PistonsDynasty. Post-ups sure, but usually post-ups that are not the result of the offensive player "backing down' the defender, but rather getting position without the ball and taking a solid post-entry pass.

    Detroit has denied entry passes incredibly well.
    Maybe you are right but in the playoffs it seems they are a one on one team in the playoffs. I see no pick'n'rolls, the only person that moves with the ball is Reggie. Nobody is driving except Al.

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    The Pacers are a one-on-one team. Rick has been playing them one way ALL season and you just can't change overnight in the playoffs.
    The Pacers have played a lot of games this year where they have scored, for example, 30 field goals on 25 assists.

    One-on-one basketball is NOT the strength of this team, PistonsDynasty. Post-ups sure, but usually post-ups that are not the result of the offensive player "backing down' the defender, but rather getting position without the ball and taking a solid post-entry pass.

    Detroit has denied entry passes incredibly well.
    Maybe you are right but in the playoffs it seems they are a one on one team in the playoffs. I see no pick'n'rolls, the only person that moves with the ball is Reggie. Nobody is driving except Al.
    Well no kidding, that's what we're saying. That's what has gotten us to where we are today. We haven't been moving without the ball, we haven't been penatrating and dishing. Those are things IMO, that if WE start doing then Detroit would see why we have the best record in the league.

    In other words, as we have been saying this whole series, Detroit hasn't yet seen what the Pacers can do when WE play the way that we're capable of playing. It's on us Dynasty.

    Believe or not Detroit can be beat.

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    I believe we did some some of it in Q4 last game. Hopefully more is to come tonight.
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    I just got here today so I don't know whether you've been saying what he wrote but as I think the good doctor's columns are usually rather simplistic it doesn't really matter to me. Maybe he does think like a coach but I usually believe that any intelligent NBA fan already knows what Dr.Jack writes.

    As for the weak side kicking the ball out once the help comes, thats calling for a jump shot oriented game. Maybe the Kings can live on that but the Pacers and most of the eastern conference can't.

    One-on-one basketball is NOT the strength of this team, PistonsDynasty. Post-ups sure, but usually post-ups that are not the result of the offensive player "backing down' the defender, but rather getting position without the ball and taking a solid post-entry pass.
    I would agree with the above quote whole heartedly. JO (like KG) doesn't have the weight or presence to back down many bigger PFs and though I think he has a solid jumper his range is rather limited. JO has shown he can get 20 a night without a setup pass but his real talent is being almost unstoppable once he is down low, no matter what you do once he is there.

    Contrary to what some of you have been saying I don't think ball movement is ever a solid part of a Carlisle offense. Now perhaps in the regular season when things are looser or in some of those 61 wins the team was freer on offense and so ball movement occured but (at least in the playoffs where Indiana is 12th of 16 teams in assists) this team is set play based to a fault.

    If passing lanes are blocked then you move the lanes not the ball (the ball can't move the lanes are blocked). Now the ball ends up moving (and quite a bit) but the catalyst is moving without the ball. The only two guys in this series scoring consistently are Hamilton and Harrington. Hamilton because he is always moving and you can't keep the ball away from him and Harrington (Al would score more if he played more, 30 minutes/game in the season 23 in this series) because he is so energetic he makes the ball come to him. Reggie would score more if he weren't (no other way to say it) so past his prime. This series is taylor made for him (as game 2 and RIP's output shows) and though he might have another game 2 in him he should be doing that every game (by that I mean the opportunity is there for him to be doing it everynight).

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    You're a coach aren't you "fool". (that was said in a respectful tone...not disrepectful.
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