Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

  1. #1

    Default Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    Unlike Peter May, I find Ryan to be USUALLY pretty thoughtful, though his focus is very Boston-centric. This column is pretty whiny though.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb...res_a_new_low/

    BOB RYAN
    When you think it can't be worse, here's a new low
    By Bob Ryan, Globe Columnist | May 28, 2004

    Stand back. I'm about to whine.

    It's the NBA, which I believe stands for No Baskets Allowed. Personally, I'd rename it the NBE, as in No Baskets Encouraged.

    Who cares about offense anymore? It's surely not the coaches. It's not the commentators, either. Frankly, Doc Rivers is starting to worry me a little, and he's not even here yet. Is Danny Ainge listening? Did he hear Doc slobbering all over himself in praise of that Pistons-Pacers Game 2 atrocity the other night, the one saved by Tayshaun Prince's Russell-like block for the ages on a startled Reggie Miller? Does Doc really think that was entertaining basketball? Is that what we have in store the next few years? C'mon, Doc, you know better. Back in 1988 you participated -- I should say, played a vital supporting role in -- one of the great playoff games we've ever had in this town. Larry vs. Dominique, remember? That was professional basketball. I'm still working on whatever it is we should call that travesty masquerading as the Eastern Conference finals in the here and now.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was raised to believe that the object of the game was to take the round ball and throw it through the orange ring. I believe we called that part of the game "offense." This "offense" was what drew most of us into the sport. I don't recall any of my grammar school peers slipping into his Pro Keds or Chuck Taylor Converse All-Stars and muttering, "Can't wait to get out there and shut somebody down." When you start playing this game, you lust to touch the ball and put it in the basket.

    We'll get to the NBA in a minute, but the truth is this antioffense discrimination transcends the NBA. Last November, I was privileged to see one of the great college basketball games of the season, Boston College's exhilarating 84-81 triumph over Wichita State down in St. Thomas, Virgin Islands. Afterward, I was innocently pointing out to Wichita State coach Mark Turgeon that when the first timeout was called, the score was 19-18 and the teams were shooting about 70 percent. I kind of thought that was a good thing. Here, however, was Coach Turgeon's reply:"I guess that's all right if you like offense."

    He'd fit right into the modern NBA, where most coaches are only happy if the other team has the ball. Offense, to them, is a nuisance, a quirky thing they can't quite control. Part of the reason for this may be that the coaches know these guys can't shoot, anyway, but it's more than that. If they really wanted to score, they'd institute running games and allow point guards to dictate things. But nobody wants Bob Cousys today, or even Isiah Thomases. And in case you were wondering, now you can see why Larry Brown never quite hit it off with Allen Iverson. Brown has come to despise offense.

    Page 2 of 2 -- The NBA peaked in entertainment value between 15 and 20 years ago. We might as well be talking about a different sport. When you watched a playoff game then, chances are you were going to see some great offense. In 1987, for example, there were 71 playoff games. Both teams scored 100 points in 46 of them. In 1988, it was 42 of 80. That's a nice balance, allowing for both 151-129 games (Dallas over Seattle, 1987) and 89-88 games (Detroit over Atlanta, same year). But 89-88 was about as low as we wanted to go. That was clearly understood.

    ADVERTISEMENT
    Many people date the artistic decline of the league from the Detroit Bad Boys, and, while it's true there was a thuggish edge to them, never forget that this was an offensive team. Isiah, Joe Dumars, and the irrepressible Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson were perhaps the greatest three-man scoring backcourt ever. Mark Aguirre was an offensive player, and so was Bill Laimbeer. The 1989 champs scored a respectable 105 points a game, a figure that would lead the modern NBA almost ever year.

    The first negative milestone came in 1990-91 when Jerry Sloan's Utah Jazz became the first NBA team since the inception of the shot clock to take fewer than 80 shots a game. The next year, Minnesota (Jimmy Rodgers/Sidney Lowe) likewise slipped under 80 FGA per. Brown joined Lowe in lowering the bar even further the next year (79.4), and he has never retreated, becoming more of an offensive miser with each passing year. They talk about Pat Riley reinventing himself, but the fact is this is not the same Larry Brown who came into the NBA from the ABA, where everyone shared an offensive joie de vivre.

    All this has manifested itself in ever-decreasing playoff scoring, and, as a byproduct, diminishing entertainment value. The benchmark Year Of No Return was 1994. In 1993, teams scored 100 apiece in 25 of 76 playoff games. The following year was the onset of the Ice Age, as we only saw both teams reach 100 in 11 of 77 playoff games. This trend accelerated as the century closed, reaching a ridiculous level in 2000 when teams each scored 100 in only 4 of 75 playoff games. It wasn't much better in '01 (7 of 71), but we crept back upward a bit the past two years with 14 of 71 and 15 of 88. Sadly, however, I must report that we are back in the muck and mire, as, after last night's Lakers-Timberwolves game, we have only had four playoff games in which both teams have scored 100. One required one overtime (Minnesota 114, Sacramento 113), another required three (New Jersey 127, Detroit 120).

    No wonder these commentators rhapsodize about how wonderful this sludgeball is. They are part of the problem. Guess what coach's team holds the record for fewest shots per game in a season (73.1)? Oh, that would be the 1995-96 Cleveland Cavaliers, coached by TNT's Mike Fratello. And guess whose team was right behind him with a ridiculous 74.7 shots per game? Oh, that would be the Detroit Pistons, coached by TNT's Doug Collins. That same year, Larry Brown's Indiana Pacers were checking in with a skinflinty 75.7 shots per game.

    Wouldn't you like to join me in being time-traveled back to the last series in which both teams scored more than 100 in every game of a series? It was a five-gamer between Portland and Phoenix in 1992, a series highlighted by a 153-151 Portland double-overtime triumph in Game 4. And wouldn't you relish reliving the last Eastern Conference series to feature nothing but 100-plus games? That was the Boston five-game victory over Indiana in 1991, otherwise known as the Larry-hits-his-head-on-the-floor series.

    Look, I realize there is some legitimately good defense being played in these series, although you must realize that blocked shots are not the be all and end all of defense, particularly if they're not kept in play. But it's pretty easy to stop offenses that never run, include far too many players who have no Plan B, feature no weak-side movement, and give us a minimum of skilled post play.

    I watch these Eastern Conference games only because I feel a professional obligation. It's like my eating broccoli, although I really can't even say they're good for me. But if I want to see good NBA basketball, I daydream or wait for ESPN Classic.

    On the other hand, I guess these games are all right if you like "defense."

    Bob Ryan is a Globe columnist. His e-mail address is ryan@globe.com.
    © Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.
    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!)

  2. #2
    Boom Baby'er ABADays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    The Coliseum
    Posts
    6,248

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    The coaches (except maybe in Dallas and Sacto) all know defense is what wins championships.
    The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

  3. #3
    Nerd.
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Greenwood, IN
    Age
    32
    Posts
    5,061
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    I personally don't want to see games in the 100+ territory.

    I love this Pacers-Pistons series.

    Every field goal counts. Every missed free throw is crucial.

    This is the beauty of the game. We have it right here in our grasp.

  4. #4
    sweabs
    Guest

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    This has easily been the most enjoyable series of the playoffs thus far.

  5. #5
    Administrator Unclebuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    32,762

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    I respect Bob Ryan. He has followed the NBA for years

    But he has been on this same kick for 15 years now.

    As others have mentioned when the scoring is low it makes each point more important.

    Two points I do want to make.

    1) Being there in person gives you a different perspective. You can feel the great defense and the effort, on TV you don't get the same fell for it.

    2) if any objective fan has watched all 7 conference finals games so far. Anyone who does not say the best three games have been in the ECF, they must be lakers or T-Wolves fans.

    I will admit I have watched some boring conference finals basketball in the past week, the western conference finals bors me to death, no game has been close, it is obvious who is going to win that series. why doesn't Bob Ryan write about how boring that series is, because it is.

    Every game of ther ECF has gone down to the last minute, the ending of game #2 was as thrilling an ending as you wiull ever see.
    not for pacers fans, but even I can admit that was an exciting finish. What did Bob Ryan doze off

  6. #6
    Running with the Big Boys BillS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Danberry
    Age
    55
    Posts
    11,555

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    If it wasn't already taken, we could have the National Horse League (NHL)

    No defense allowed, first team to 120 wins.

    Oh, yeah - that's the Western Conference.
    BillS

    "Every time I pitched it was like throwing gasoline on a fire. Pkkw! Pkkw! Pkkw! Pkkw!"
    - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh

  7. #7
    Member Dukins's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Brownsburg
    Posts
    911
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    Bob needs to worry about how the sorry Celtics can improve from the pummelling that the Pacers game them this year.


    2006 WORLD CHAMPION INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

  8. #8
    Administrator/ The Real Jay ChicagoJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Chicago
    Age
    44
    Posts
    17,000

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    The offense would come back somewhat if they'd just clean up some of the unnecessarily physical defense.

    I'm all for hard/ intense defense, but it can be played without hacking and fouling.

    The Pacers/ Celtics series Bob refers to from 1991 was one of the most competitive, entertaining, and hard-fought series I've ever seen. Yes, I'd rather have close games like we've got in the ECF than the one-sided affairs of the WCF. But what's so wrong with a close game that's 108-106 instead of 78-74?

    I'm ready for the league to give more freedom to the offensive players. No rules change is necessary, just call all the fouls. The defenses and players will adjust. Great defense is relative (to the enforcement of the rules), it is not an absolute.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


  9. #9

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    I enjoy watching defensive basketball and the Pistons/Pacers series has been very entertaining. However, I hate the fact that they removed the illegal defense rule the league has given defenders too many freedoms by removing the illegal defense rule. Coaches and teams have now adjusted their defenses to fully exploit the no illegal defense rule; they aren't playing "true typical" zones that have exploitable weaknesses instead they've gotten creative and adapted by positioning defenders in areas of the court that they used to be considered illegal so that the player can give help and clog the lane and at the same time recover enough to prevent an open jumper because of the athleticism of the players.

    With the adjusted rules it makes it very difficult to play the traditional style of inside out basketball because post entry passes have become an adventure because of all the defenders in the lane area. Also forget about penetrating unless you fully intend on kicking it out for a three when you get near the basket and encounter 3 defenders. Its even become extremely difficult to run pick and roll plays because you can no longer isolate those 2 players alone on one side of the court. The only way to bust it is to shoot alot of outside shots but thats low percentage basketball and when they don't fall you see alot of teams going 5-6 minute stretches without scoring. In my mind its resulted in a huge advantage for the defenses. And when was the last time you saw a defensive three second call? If they enforced that rule they could probably call it all game long. If you look at some of MagicRat's photos many times you'll see 4 defenders all below the free throw line even when their player is behind the three point line that used to be illegal now they use it to stop penetration and post entry passes almost daring you to take the long jumpers which result in low shooting percentages especially when you have players playing big minutes with weary legs.

  10. #10
    Administrator Unclebuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    32,762

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    dipperdunk, as always you make great points. I have mixed thoughts on the defensive rule changes.

    I was not in favor of them when they were changed what 3 years ago. I knew it would not increase scoring.

    However, it has changed offensives. You do have less isolations, less two man play, and more team basketball, more ball movement. And the current rules puts a greater premium on shooting and have 5 offensive players on the floor, and it can help a defense limit great one-on-one players.

  11. #11
    .
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    52,583

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    And when was the last time you saw a defensive three second call? If they enforced that rule they could probably call it all game long.
    Oh they managed to call it on the Pacers a couple times the other night.

  12. #12
    Running with the Big Boys BillS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Danberry
    Age
    55
    Posts
    11,555

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    I agree with UB. To make it more skill rather than thuggery, leave the rules as they are and call the fouls - all the fouls - offensive AND defensive.

    If offensive fouls are called properly, good or well-matched defenders don't have to grab to retain position. If defenders don't have to grab, then there's no need to allow contact of the kind we're getting.

    The problems with that are:

    - the first weeks of the season when they start doing that will see games with FTA numbers in the triple digits
    - it would turn the team rankings almost completely upside-down
    - it would let bad referees have even more effect on the game
    - it makes incidental contact between big men in a small area (like the lane under the basket) harder to judge
    BillS

    "Every time I pitched it was like throwing gasoline on a fire. Pkkw! Pkkw! Pkkw! Pkkw!"
    - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh

  13. #13
    Tree People to the Core! indygeezer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Cumberland
    Posts
    15,256
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Bob Ryan: Whines on about the disappearance of offense in the NBA

    I suppose there are SOME people that enjoy basketball as played in the All-Star game. I'm sure that the players would REALLY get a hoot out of it. But I really don't want to go back to the days of the Denver Rockets.
    If you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some influence, try orderin’ somebody else’s dog around..

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •