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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

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Info on scoring & drafting

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  • Info on scoring & drafting

    I'll try to give a brief explanation

    Scoring
    We use a points system based on production.

    Every point scored counts as 1 fantasy point

    Each Offensive rebound = 2 fantasy points

    Each Defensive rebound = 1.5 fantasy points

    Each Assist = 2 fantasy points

    Each Steal = 2 fantasy points

    Each Block = 2.5 fantasy points

    Each Turnover = -1.5 fantasy points

    Each Technical Foul = -1 fantasy point

    Each Personal Fould = -.5 fantasy points

    The game is set up to be as close to a real NBA as you can get.

    Each NBA game is 48 minutes long & there are 5 players on the court as all times, so they take 48 x 5 & come up with a 240 minute game. Since there is only one player at center, you are given 48 center minutes to fill. Each forward position requires a total of 48 minutes & since you'll be playing an entire game with 2 forwards, thats 96 minutes. Same with the guards, 48 x2 =96.

    Add them up.

    48 center minutes
    96 forward minutes
    96 guard minutes

    240 total minutes

    Doesn't matter if you play 2 point guards or 2 off guards. You could play 2 small forwards or 2 power forwards. You're the coach, its up to you.

    Some players are able to play multiple positions. Much like the Pacers Mike Dunleavy or Jermaine O'Neal. You'll see below why these players are important.

    So you need to draft, use the waiver wire, trade or pull from the free agent pool, players that play enough minutes with quality production to help you score as many fantasy points as possible, using the 240 minute game clock.

    Here is an example of a 12 player roster:

    1. C Kendrick Perkins (BOS)
    2. CF Pau Gasol (MEM)
    3. CF Nick Collison (SEA)
    4. G Kobe Bryant (LAL)
    5. G Andre Miller (PHI)
    6. G Kirk Hinrich (CHI)
    7. GF Mike Miller (MEM)
    8. F Ryan Gomes (BOS)
    9. F Anderson Varejão (CLE)
    10. F LaMarcus Aldridge (POR)
    11. F Andrea Bargnani (TOR)
    12. F Rudy Gay (MEM)

    I have my line up set like this for a certain reason.

    When the computer starts scoring your game it starts with the player you have listed #1 in your lineup.

    I have Perkins listed first because he was the only player on my team that only played center. Lets say Perkins played 22 minutes. All of his fantasy points would count for that game. Since you have 48 center minutes to fill & Perkins played 22, you still have 26 minutes remaining to complete at center.

    Next is Gasol. Lets say Gasol played 36 minutes. Since I have him listed as a CF, the computer would take 26 of his minutes & use them to complete your 48 minutes at the center position.

    The remaining 10 minutes of Gasol game would count toward filling your 96 minutes at the forward spot.

    The computer would break down Gasol's fantasy points on a per minute basis & then multiply that number by 26 for the center minutes & 10 for the forward minutes.

    Sounds a lot more difficult than it really is.

    If I had listed Gasol as a FC then all his minutes would have been used as a forward, leaving me short at center. So, its very important that you list your multi-position players correctly.

    Next on the list is Collison, listed as a CF. Since my center minutes are complete, all of Collisons numbers will count as a forward. I still have 86 minutes to fill. I started with 96 & Gasol played 10 so I'm down to 86. Collison plays 29 so I still have 57.

    Next are my all star guard lineup. Of my 96 guard minutes, Kobe plays 40, leaving me 56. Andre Miller plays 37, leaving me just 19 to complete my guard minutes. Hinrich plays 35 so this is how the computer handles that. It takes Hinrichs production & divides it by the minutes he plays. Then takes his "per minute" number & multiples it by the 19 minutes I still have remaining at the guard spot. The rest of Hinrichs numbers are unused.

    So, another important tip. Per minute numbers are very important in this game. Also, the order you have them listed in your lineup. You'd want to make sure that your best players are listed first.

    I'll try to be more brief with the rest of the lineup.

    Mike Miller is next, listed as a GF but since my guard minutes are filled, all of Millers numbers will count at forward. I have 57 forward minutes to fill. Miller plays 39, leaving me 18 minutes remaining.

    Ryan Gomes plays 31 so the computer divides is fantasy game by 31 then multiples it by 18 to fill the remaining minutes I have at forward.

    In this example 13 minutes of Gomes fantasy numbers will not count in my game total.

    None of the other players on my team will have their fantasy points count either since players ahead of them in my lineup have played all the available minutes for that game.

    Like I said before, in practice it is soooooo much easier.

    We have alot of guys still reading this board that can help answer your questions, if my explnations seem muddled. I have zero problem with that. As long as you have an idea of how the scoring is done before the season starts.

    Questions?

  • #2
    Re: Info on scoring & drafting

    What's the format for determining position eligibility? (JO as FC, Dunleavy as GF) What site are we going off?

    The info you e-mailed was sweet. Looking forward to this league.

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    • #3
      Re: Info on scoring & drafting

      Good question. At present we don't have a guideline set up for this.

      Lets do this.

      We'll start out using NBA.com

      If you have a player you feel his playing 2 positions & not listed that way on NBA.com then you can put that player up for a vote.

      Just post your position request here on this board by starting a new thread. Use the poll option with a 1 day time limit. Post as much information as you can to attempt to convince the other owners that your player should be listed at 2 positions. Quotes from the coach are the most convincing.

      If you get a majority of those voting, with a minimum of 8 "yes" votes, then your player gets multi-position status.

      Fair?

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      • #4
        Re: Info on scoring & drafting

        sounds fair.

        Ok some random questions shall follow.

        Since each player has the opportunity to play 82 games this season...how does that work - are each positions eligible to play 82 games or you can play as much as you can by revising your line-up on a daily basis?

        Speaking of line-ups - how does the system work - are the teams playing against each other and we are ranked by the wins/loss or its a free for all format where whoever has the most points for that day/week wins?

        And in regards to the line-ups - they are changeable on a daily basis or do we stick it out with one team for one week period and then revise them?

        Thanks

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        • #5
          Re: Info on scoring & drafting

          Originally posted by bellisimo View Post
          sounds fair.

          Ok some random questions shall follow.

          Since each player has the opportunity to play 82 games this season...how does that work - are each positions eligible to play 82 games or you can play as much as you can by revising your line-up on a daily basis?

          Speaking of line-ups - how does the system work - are the teams playing against each other and we are ranked by the wins/loss or its a free for all format where whoever has the most points for that day/week wins?

          And in regards to the line-ups - they are changeable on a daily basis or do we stick it out with one team for one week period and then revise them?

          Thanks
          Though you can change your lineup daily, the games counting for any selected player are decided in advance, so changing your lineup wont change that, also the option to change your lineup will close a certain amount of time before the game is started.

          As an example

          players 1 & 2 are playing G and they are on the pacers, the game that will count is the game of Nov 4, this game is played upon that same date, but other players say 3 & 4 who are on the Spurs, play on the 5th, so not before they have played becomes your result final, once a game is locked you can no longer change the players, and the game you are playing is directly correlating with the games they play, so changing them around does not help

          I get what you are trying to do, i.e. play 1 player more then others, since he plays 82 games, but you forget that our playoffs need to be finished before the end of the regular season, otherwise half your players are not counting anymore
          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

          If you've done 6 impossible things today?
          Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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          • #6
            Re: Info on scoring & drafting

            Jose, did you have a list that you could email me? I could PM you my email address if you do. I haven't done fantsay bball but twice and the last time was in the 2005-06 season.

            I'll probably be one of those players that needs a little help at the beginning.

            Thanks in advance.


            Best Regards,
            Gyron

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            • #7
              Re: Info on scoring & drafting

              Originally posted by Gyron View Post
              Jose, did you have a list that you could email me? I could PM you my email address if you do. I haven't done fantsay bball but twice and the last time was in the 2005-06 season.

              I'll probably be one of those players that needs a little help at the beginning.

              Thanks in advance.


              Best Regards,
              Gyron
              PM me your e-mail address & I'll get it out to you tonight.

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