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  • Rush hoping to make impact.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ct_in_indiana/


    Kareem Rush pays visit to Missouri basketball scrimmage

    Kareen Rush, center, scrimmaged with the Missouri men's basketball team Saturday morning at Mizzou Arena during an open practice. Rush left Missouri after his junior year and is currently under contract with the Indiana Pacers of the NBA.

    By JOHN JUETTNER/MISSOURIAN

    September 22, 2007 | 6:20 p.m. CST

    COLUMBIA — A few MU football fans moseyed away from their tailgates to catch a glimpse of the MU men’s basketball team at its open scrimmage on Saturday. In the process they stumbled upon a former star, Kareem Rush.

    Rush, who left MU for the NBA draft after the 2002 season, was in Columbia to celebrate his daughter Kaylen’s second birthday and decided to stop by the scrimmage to get some work in to prepare for the upcoming NBA season.

    Rush spent most of last year playing for BC Lietuvos Rytas in Lithuania after being released by the Seattle Supersonics before he was able to play a game in the 2006-07 NBA season. After having success in Europe, where his team won the Baltic League championship and he was named the Final Four MVP, Rush is back in the NBA. He agreed to a one-year contract with the Indiana Pacers in July.

    Rush is hoping to make a bigger impact with the Pacers than he did in his other NBA stops with the Los Angeles Lakers, and Charlotte Bobcats.

    “My agent has been talking to the organization and I’ve got a chance to fight for a starting position,” Rush said. “I’m definitely going to see heavy minutes. I’m excited about the opportunity and hopefully I can take advantage of it.”

    The Pacers were lacking in outside shooters last season after a mid-season trade sent Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington to the Golden State Warriors. Rush has always been known for his jump shooting ability, which could make Indiana a nice fit for him.

    The Pacers have a new coaching staff this season, putting everyone on equal footing heading into the new season, which is something that excites Rush as a new player to the team.

    “It’s kind of a blank slate for everybody,” he said. “You’re trying to go in there and learn whatever they are trying to teach — new plays and everything. So everybody’s on pretty much the same page as far as team-wise.”

    Rush played in a few of the scrimmages with the rest of the Tiger squad, and it was Marshall Brown who drew the assignment of covering him.

    “I’ve played against Kareem before, but it’s always fun to play against a guy that’s in the NBA,” Brown said. “It’s always a good experience for me. It’s perfect.”

    Rush is hoping for a perfect season with the Pacers, since he only signed a one-year deal.

    “I don’t want to be caught up in a bad deal for many years,” he said. “So if I do well this year I’m looking for a big contract next summer, which is hopefully what I’ll get.”

    Family Man: Rush’s younger brother, Brandon, is a junior guard for the Kansas Jayhawks, but he doesn’t let the fan rivalry impact his relationship with his brother. “I’m happy for him,” Kareem Rush said. “At the end of the day he’s my brother. So I’m always happy to see him do well. That whole KU/MU rivalry it doesn’t really affect us. We’re family, so I’m just happy he’s doing well.”

    Rush said that he hopes his younger brother continues to improve his skills and can join him in the NBA someday soon.

    Enjoying the Support: Marshall Brown really likes the idea of open scrimmages before home football games. “I like it a lot,” he said. “It gives the fans a chance to get an early look at us and start some excitement about Mizzou basketball, so I think it’s a great thing.”

    Deadly From Distance: The MU women’s basketball team also held an open scrimmage on Saturday morning and sophomore guard Amanda Hanneman entertained the crowd with a barrage of three pointers. “I love shooting threes,” she said. “Our whole team can shoot. We really try to get into the gym and help each other out. So I had a lot of help from my teammates to get that shot.”
    Received the 1998 J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award

    Named an NBA All-Star in 1998

    Won the 2002 NBA Sportsmanship Award

    Part of the 2003 Spurs Championship Team.

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    Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

    I think Rush will probably beat out Dun for the starting 2 guard slot. I really think Dunleavy's skills would make him a great 6th man, while Rush's shooting ability and athleticism would make him a nice fit with Jermaine. We'll see how all this plays out, but I'm really going to be paying attention to the preseason this year, because the Dunleavy/Rush battle for the 2 guard slot is going to be great to watch. Consequently, I think the competition will serve to make both players better. Add into that, Rush is basically in a contract year; that coupled with a desire to prove himself will make him a bargain for what we paid for him. The only thing I'm worried about is if we'll be willing to pony up to keep him if he really pans out. That would bite if he truly broke out, and then bolted because of some of the horrendous contracts we're stuck with. But I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm starting to get excited about the season. I in no way think we'll be as bad as some people think. One thing with Rush is this: I think early on what may trip him up a little early is the self-imposed pressure to prove himself. I think the danger may be in him trying to do a little too much. If he can control that, and play within the offense, he's going to be one of the reasons the Pacers succeed this year. I am a huge Rush fan, and actually thought we should have picked him instead of Freddy. But hey, we've got him now, and I'm expecting big things from him!

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      Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

      It makes sense that Rush would be the starting two guard. Bringing Dunleavy, Daniels and Foster off the bench would make our second unit really strong

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        Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

        Originally posted by johnnybegood View Post
        I am a huge Rush fan, and actually thought we should have picked him instead of Freddy. But hey, we've got him now, and I'm expecting big things from him!

        Yep.

        "The Kareem Rush Story" may turn out to be the feel-good story line this franchise is looking for. I'm talking about a tale to place on the shelf right next to "Rudy" and "Hoosiers," all about an earnest, honest American who makes his way through travails in a foreign land and back home again.

        When Disney makes the movie, Rush can be played by Chris Tucker, with Chris Rock as his wise-cracking best friend, and Will Farrell as the nasty, chain-smoking coach of Lietuvos Rytas. Sarunas Jasikevicius will play himelf in a cameo role as a malicious competitor who bribes the Euro-league referee with pickled herring and vodka to call bogus fouls on Kareem.

        I'd go see it. But first, Kareem has to write the happy ending.
        And I won't be here to see the day
        It all dries up and blows away
        I'd hang around just to see
        But they never had much use for me
        In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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          Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

          I love how the article calls Harrington and Jackson "outside shooters." We were lacking those before the GS trade.

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            Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            It makes sense that Rush would be the starting two guard. Bringing Dunleavy, Daniels and Foster off the bench would make our second unit really strong
            I wouldn't call it "really strong" considering all three of those guys are more of backups than starters anyway. Those 3 are an adequately effective core of a bench lineup. Nothing more, nothing less IMO.


            Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
            I love how the article calls Harrington and Jackson "outside shooters." We were lacking those before the GS trade.
            We weren't lacking them, we were lacking the appropriate means to utilize them. Rick wouldn't allow freelancing outside shots, and honestly Jack gets in a rhythm on his own accord and Al flat-out loves to catch and shoot. Neither happened often enough.

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              Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

              Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
              I love how the article calls Harrington and Jackson "outside shooters." We were lacking those before the GS trade.
              well technically speaking they did jack quite a few shots from the outside...

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              • #8
                Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

                as for Rush - I am expecting some improved performance - this is basically his contract year - to sell himself as good as he possibly can...its up to him to step up and take the opportunity to be in a position to get that big contract he's looking for in the next FA season...

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                  Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

                  Originally posted by bellisimo View Post
                  as for Rush - I am expecting some improved performance - this is basically his contract year - to sell himself as good as he possibly can...its up to him to step up and take the opportunity to be in a position to get that big contract he's looking for in the next FA season...
                  Yup, he's just here to put up some points and leave with fat pockets. Can't really blame him, but it's just another indication of how this team is spiraling towards a franchise like the Hawks or something.

                  I can't say I'm too excited of the battle for the STARTING 2-guard to be between a bust who fits more at SF and a dude who was in Europe last season.

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                    Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

                    Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
                    I love how the article calls Harrington and Jackson "outside shooters." We were lacking those before the GS trade.
                    Jackson was an outside SHOOTER. He SHOT them often (too often). His issue was that he couldn't MAKE them.

                    If Rush can make them and know when NOT to shoot them then he will be more of an asset than Jax ever was, even ignoring the ref-whining and the on and off court "conduct deterimental to the team" that you get with Jax.
                    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                      Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

                      Originally posted by pacertom View Post
                      If Rush can make them and know when NOT to shoot them then he will be more of an asset than Jax ever was, even ignoring the ref-whining and the on and off court "conduct deterimental to the team" that you get with Jax.
                      That's an asinine statement to make. Kareem Rush could have the season of his entire life and he still wouldn't be close to Jack in terms of overall contribution.

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                        Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

                        I think a bench of Dunleavy, Daniels, and Foster would be solid for any team. I'm sure that even the Spurs wouldn't mind having those guys come off their bench. As long as everyone's healthy, that's a solid unit. That being said, does that mean that we're pretty much assuming a Tinsley-Rush-Granger-Murphy-JO starting line-up?

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                          Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

                          Originally posted by ajbry View Post
                          That's an asinine statement to make. Kareem Rush could have the season of his entire life and he still wouldn't be close to Jack in terms of overall contribution.

                          You are focusing upon positive contributions and ignoring negative contributions.

                          The Warriors will learn more about that this year, now post-honeymoon they should get a solid dose of "conduct detrimental to winning" from their well-armed shooting guard.

                          I'm not convinced Rush will be any good. If he is a disaster, I'd still prefer him over Jackson.
                          The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                          • #14
                            Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            It makes sense that Rush would be the starting two guard. Bringing Dunleavy, Daniels and Foster off the bench would make our second unit really strong
                            So Shawne's not in the rotation?
                            This space for rent.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Rush hoping to make impact.

                              Originally posted by pacertom View Post
                              You are focusing upon positive contributions and ignoring negative contributions.

                              The Warriors will learn more about that this year, now post-honeymoon they should get a solid dose of "conduct detrimental to winning" from their well-armed shooting guard.

                              I'm not convinced Rush will be any good. If he is a disaster, I'd still prefer him over Jackson.
                              I'd agree with this Pacertom.

                              Jackson came with too much baggage that offset his positive contributions.

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