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    You get the wrong impression. Many of you. Saras is here not because of money for sure. European clubs are offering him up to 7mil. euro for 2 seasons which (taking into accaunt taxes and euro rate) is more than he will get from the NBA team.
    So, i think he is running his mouth freely as he knows that he is welcome in europe for more money and better conditions.
    That's close, but not quite right, I think. I think he's running his mouth because it's his best strategic move. If he causes enough ruckus to get himself traded to a team that will play him, he gets his money and his chance to play. If he rides the pine this year, he still gets decent money, and still has good money waiting for him for quite a few years in the Euroleague. And there's still the off-chance that he'll try out well next year and get into a situation where he fits in.

    I'm thinking he had nothing to lose by running his mouth. It's not like GS was going to play him a lot, and now they're going to bench him for being vocal. And it's not like other teams are going to shy away from him more now than before simply because he said he wanted to play. And no matter what he does or doesn't say here, he's still got a home in the Euroleague. Best case scenario for him is that GS cuts him and he gets his NBA paycheck, along with his FIBA paycheck and his celebrity status in Europe.

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    It's always easy for us to sit on a message board talking high and mighty about morals and what a player should do to show that he's more about winning/playing than making money, but nobody on this board would have done anything differently if faced with that situation. Not one.
    Oh, I'd have taken the money. No doubt.

    But I wouldn't be talking smack about my team as I did it.
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    Best case scenario for him is that GS cuts him and he gets his NBA paycheck, along with his FIBA paycheck and his celebrity status in Europe.
    Yeah, that's my guess as well.

    Because if he couldn't play in Nellie's system, I'm not sure who would play him.
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    I like the first post in the following thread

    http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=709838

    The best European player is still Sarunas Jasikevicius from Lithuania, who is the player of the Golden State Warriors.
    He is Jason Kidd + Jumper on offense. Maybe even better playmaker than Kidd, when talking about halfcourt offense. I know he doesn't have a very good defense, since he lacks the lateral quickness, which would be needed to flourish in that aspect of the game, but as far as basketball IQ goes, I think he is up there with Larry Bird. Noone in todays NBA comes close to him.
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    Sarunas is NOT Jason Kidd + anything. He's Jason Kidd - many things. Such as speed, defense, experience, passing, court vision, leadership, etc. He HAS some of those skills, but in fewer quantities. The only thing he has on Kidd is a better jumper.

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    Using Larry Bird and Sarunas Jasikevicius in the same comparison is an insult to my intelligence.

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    Sarunas is NOT Jason Kidd + anything. He's Jason Kidd - many things. Such as speed, defense, experience, passing, court vision, leadership, etc. He HAS some of those skills, but in fewer quantities. The only thing he has on Kidd is a better jumper.
    BTW, Saras experience, passing, court vision, leadership in Eurochampionship'07 > NBA finals MVP T. Parker.
    Saras is an assist leader while T. Parker makes less than twice assists (6,4 vs 3.0) per game (comparing to Saras). T. Parker is a team leader as a scorer and the offense is dead then he's well defended. Saras is a team leader as a floor general, he scores rarely, basicly when it counts.
    I don't know, maybe Jason is far better than T. Parker, so i believe that Jason is better than Saras in this area. But Jason isn't playing and Saras actually is a passing and court vision king of Eurobasket'07. While basketball is different in nba and europe, the court vision and passing skills can't be denied.
    Btw, both have big mouths and T. Parker is an arrogant person (in contrast to other nba stars and players like Dirk, Kirilenko...). And i'm glad Saras schooled Parker in that principal duel.
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    Ultimately, Jasikevicius has proven that he's completely unwilling to earn his minutes and adapt his game to the NBA. He would rather his team adapt to him. That's selfish and lazy. His two years with us were the perfect opportunity for him - we had a weak back-court and a starter on thin ice.

    It's his fault and nobody else's that he didn't make it in the big leagues.

    Listening to him ***** about it makes me sick.

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    Sarunas can't even get minutes on a team that requires little to no defense out of him. He may be the best player in Lithuania, but do you seriously think that if Jason Kidd could play for them that there would be any doubt in the world who's starting point guard for that team?

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    He is Jason Kidd + Jumper on offense.
    Actually, he's a worse shooter than Jason Kidd. Don't believe me? Look it up.

    FG% = 0.406 vs. 0.398 (Kidd wins)

    But what about the three? Isn't Sarunas all about the long ball?

    3FG% = 0.343 vs. 0.338 (Kidd wins).

    Sarunas doesn't have a lead over Kidd in anything, including shooting. And I have no idea why he's still trying to play, when it's clear that he'd be much better off returning to Europe where he can compete.
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    It is odd that if someone could have sign a simillar or bigger contract in Europe would complain about playing time after re-signing in the NBA.

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    Actually, he's a worse shooter than Jason Kidd. Don't believe me? Look it up.

    FG% = 0.406 vs. 0.398 (Kidd wins)

    But what about the three? Isn't Sarunas all about the long ball?

    3FG% = 0.343 vs. 0.338 (Kidd wins).
    Calm down guys and don't become so silly as to proivide such 'evidences' of who is a better shooter. In both above examples the difference between Kidd and Saras is just 1.5 and 2%.

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    Calm down guys and don't become so silly as to proivide such 'evidences' of who is a better shooter. In both above examples the difference between Kidd and Saras is just 1.5 and 2%.
    No doubt, it's a very minor difference. Still, Kidd has the edge in both areas.

    Claiming that Sarunas is "Kidd with a jumper" is just plain ignorant.
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    Not to get offtopic, but I'll take "Not a single shooting guard on the roster" for $400, Alex.

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    What do you mean?
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    if only Runi ran the team as good as he ran his mouth....

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    What do you mean?
    I just think it's cute when people can in all seriousness compare a personal hero of theirs who can't even get run on an NBA court to both a Top 5 Player of All Time and a Top 10 PG of All Time...all in the same thread.

    It's like a loving uncle hearing their short, unathletic nephew talk about how he's gonna play centerfield for the Cubs when he grows up. Really gives you that "You go get em, trooper," warm tummy feeling that makes you believe you're living in a world of marshmellow castles and gum-drop rainbows.

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    I like the first post in the following thread

    http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=709838

    The best European player is still Sarunas Jasikevicius from Lithuania, who is the player of the Golden State Warriors.
    He is Jason Kidd + Jumper on offense. Maybe even better playmaker than Kidd, when talking about halfcourt offense. I know he doesn't have a very good defense, since he lacks the lateral quickness, which would be needed to flourish in that aspect of the game, but as far as basketball IQ goes, I think he is up there with Larry Bird. Noone in todays NBA comes close to him.

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    I just think it's cute when people can in all seriousness compare a personal hero of theirs who can't even get run on an NBA court to both a Top 5 Player of All Time and a Top 10 PG of All Time...all in the same thread.

    It's like a loving uncle hearing their short, unathletic nephew talk about how he's gonna play centerfield for the Cubs when he grows up. Really gives you that "You go get em, trooper," warm tummy feeling that makes you believe you're living in a world of marshmellow castles and gum-drop rainbows.
    Well - it's really funny then
    But the thing is that some of those top rated NBA stars are unable to perform against the players who can't even get run on NBA floor, in this euro championship. And this fact doesn't depend on my point of view. Maybe for you the euro-championship doesn't matter at all. But for T. Parker it means a lot (as he's playing for his country) and probably he plays there with such a heart as he plays in finals. It doesn't matter that he is arguably the best pg in the world, he was overplayed by other pg's and their teams when it matters (and is out of the competition). In the history will be written that he lost the duels against other pg's (like Saras) in this championship. So, i think at least some of his skills should be respected.
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    So, i think at least some of his skills should be respected.
    Hey, that's no problem. I respect Sarunas' ability to play FIBA basketball.

    I just don't respect the way he runs his mouth.
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    But the thing is that some of those top rated NBA stars are unable to perform against the players who can't even get run on NBA floor, in this euro championship. And this fact doesn't depend on my point of view. Maybe for you the euro-championship doesn't matter at all. But for T. Parker it means a lot (as he's playing for his country) and probably he plays there with such a heart as he plays in finals. It doesn't matter that he is arguably the best pg in the world, he was overplayed by other pg's and their teams when it matters (and is out of the competition). In the history will be written that he lost the duels against other pg's (like Saras) in this championship. So, i think at least some of his skills should be respected.
    Well said. And those are all fine points in favor of your boy.

    Just keep saying it that way and don't bring the ridiculous hyperbole of names like Jason Kidd and Larry Bird into the conversation and we'll all take you a little more seriously. (Well, most people still won't, actually, but they will at least not think you're typing with tin foil on your head.)

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    If only the stupid NBA players would stop cheating and trying to steal the ball from him in the backcourt. You'd never see that kind of play allowed in FIBA.

    Saras = Kidd + the ability to turn the ball over before reaching half court


    I went from being a big fan of his to hating his game. You know who did that? Saras. He earned the ripping he gets here and he earned his pine time from both Rick and Nellie. Left undefended Saras looks brilliant. Put any serious pressure on him and he falls apart.

    Considering the fact that he's WAY WAY WAY below Kidd in rebounding and ball protection, I'd say he needs to be more than just almost equal to Kidd in shooting, and more so considering the fact that Kidd is not the mark of great PG shooting.

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