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    Quote Originally Posted by pacerDU View Post
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    This is a very touchy subject and there are many different avenues of thought relating to it. One thing that bothers me however is that for some reason the idea that an animal being killed (needlessly) is not as bad as the same thing happening to a human.

    All creatures have as much right to life as do humans. Now we're all humans, so obviously human beings generally feel stronger about the death of another human as it's "our" species. However, we have no more of a right to life than does any other creature.

    Yes, we eat meat and use the bodies of animals for other products, but I'm talking about needless death here. Humans are the most dominant species on earth and nature dictates that the strong survive. That's just the way it is. However, the torture and death of animals in relation to sport and entertainment is needless.

    I know a lot of people may disagree or even be offended by my point of view, but I don't see how we as humans are any more "important" or valuable than any animal.

    Vick in my mind is a murderer, just the same as someone who kills another human being. Animals feel fear and pain just like humans.

    Phooey...and double Phooey

    Do you think a pitbull would care for one second about another creature's
    right to life???

    Try asking a pitbull attack victim, or parent of a child who has been
    attacked, or pet owner who has had their pet killed by a pitbull what
    they might think.

    I'll help you out here. Take a look at these links for a little more info on
    pitbulls, and the devastation their attacks cause:

    http://www.stoppitbullattacks.com/

    http://www.olathepsc.org//default.aspx


    While Vick participated in eliminating pitbulls for the wrong reasons, he still
    unwittingly did society a favor by doing so. He should not have had them
    in the first place.

    It simply amazes me how many folks out here talk about these dogs as if
    they are Aunt Bessie's fluffly little Pomeranian. Pitbulls are different from
    other dogs, and other types of Bull Terriers. They have been specifically
    and intentionally bred for strong tendancies to viciously attack other dogs.
    If they become excited or aggitated, they very often will not differentiate
    between a dog or some other creature.

    If it means saving even one precious innocent child from having
    their face brutally ripped off by a pitbull, then I fully support efforts
    to eradicate this breed of dog by whatever means neccessary.
    Furthermore, I fully support legislation that would criminalize the
    breeding and ownership of pitbulls.

    Want to eliminate the dog fighting? Want to eliminate life-long devastation
    to families caused by pitbull attacks? Then eliminate the pitbull breed.

    Now if anyone wants to disagree with this stance, that is fine with me.
    They can do so until they are blue in the face.

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    RamBo_Lamar, totally agree - it's tragic that people have been severely injured or killed by pit-bulls. Those dogs were rightfully put-down. THEY WEREN'T PUT INTO CAGE MATCHES > THEN HUNG > THEN DROWNED.

    What relation dogfighting, or the brutal death of a pitbull has to do with dog attacks on humans beats me. Just because a pitbull is genetically more aggressive, doesn't mean it should be tortured to death.

    BTW, there are many pitbull owners who have no problem with their pets. I'll repeat, I understand that they have aggressive tendencies. Last time I checked, there are a lot of murderers and rapists out there. Does that mean humans are inherently aggressive too?

    Anyway, I'm not going to get into a whole argument on human v pitbull. That's not my intention. I personally believe all creatures have equal right to life and lack of respect for animal life and treatment is completely irresponsible and selfish.
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    I wonder if you think all German Shepherd's should be put down then?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...29/1096963.htm

    Here's a forum linking all kinds of different dog attacks
    http://www.chako.org/dogblog/forums/8/ShowForum.aspx

    They're ANIMALS. Plain and simple. You don't watch what your doing around a horse, and they'll kick you. (I've seen it happen.) Should horses be put down because their vicious?

    OH! I know! We should kill all squirrels next.
    http://www.nbc11.com/news/9946298/de...s=bay&psp=news

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    Apparently, Ron Artest wants to reach out to Mike Vick.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2995888

    I think Michael Vick is in a heap of trouble if he takes some advice from Artest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamBo_Lamar View Post
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    Phooey...and double Phooey

    Do you think a pitbull would care for one second about another creature's
    right to life???

    Try asking a pitbull attack victim, or parent of a child who has been
    attacked, or pet owner who has had their pet killed by a pitbull what
    they might think.

    I'll help you out here. Take a look at these links for a little more info on
    pitbulls, and the devastation their attacks cause:

    http://www.stoppitbullattacks.com/

    http://www.olathepsc.org//default.aspx


    While Vick participated in eliminating pitbulls for the wrong reasons, he still
    unwittingly did society a favor by doing so. He should not have had them
    in the first place.

    It simply amazes me how many folks out here talk about these dogs as if
    they are Aunt Bessie's fluffly little Pomeranian. Pitbulls are different from
    other dogs, and other types of Bull Terriers. They have been specifically
    and intentionally bred for strong tendancies to viciously attack other dogs.
    If they become excited or aggitated, they very often will not differentiate
    between a dog or some other creature.

    If it means saving even one precious innocent child from having
    their face brutally ripped off by a pitbull, then I fully support efforts
    to eradicate this breed of dog by whatever means neccessary.
    Furthermore, I fully support legislation that would criminalize the
    breeding and ownership of pitbulls.

    Want to eliminate the dog fighting? Want to eliminate life-long devastation
    to families caused by pitbull attacks? Then eliminate the pitbull breed.

    Now if anyone wants to disagree with this stance, that is fine with me.
    They can do so until they are blue in the face.
    I believe the dog breed with the most reported attacks is a labrador retriever.

    There is no such thing as a "pitbull breed", as you state.

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    I wonder if you think all German Shepherd's should be put down then?

    Here's a forum linking all kinds of different dog attacks

    They're ANIMALS. Plain and simple. You don't watch what your doing around a horse, and they'll kick you. (I've seen it happen.) Should horses be put down because their vicious?

    OH! I know! We should kill all squirrels next.


    I am discussing PITBULLs only here. And I'm glad you included the rolling
    eye's icon after the horse comment to save me from having to. Should
    have put one after the squirrels comment too.

    I figured my post would generate some ridiculous comments, but they most
    certainly do not sway my original stance.

    And Stryder, you need to check your facts before stating the pitbull is
    not a breed. I challenge your assertion that it is not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pitbull_Terrier

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamBo_Lamar View Post
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    I am discussing PITBULLs only here. And I'm glad you included the rolling
    eye's icon after the horse comment to save me from having to. Should
    have put one after the squirrels comment too.

    I figured my post would generate some ridiculous comments, but they most
    certainly do not sway my original stance.

    And Stryder, you need to check your facts before stating the pitbull is
    not a breed. I challenge your assertion that it is not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pitbull_Terrier

    The "Breed" of dog you link to is not recognized by the AKC. The UKC is the only major kennel club to recognize this "breed". The "pit bull" generalization is not one specific breed of dogs. It encompasses several true breeds.

    http://www.dogexpert.com/FatalDogAtt...ification.html

    I would go on the AKC's view of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RamBo_Lamar View Post
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    I am discussing PITBULLs only here. And I'm glad you included the rolling
    eye's icon after the horse comment to save me from having to. Should
    have put one after the squirrels comment too.

    I figured my post would generate some ridiculous comments, but they most
    certainly do not sway my original stance.

    And Stryder, you need to check your facts before stating the pitbull is
    not a breed. I challenge your assertion that it is not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pitbull_Terrier
    A rediculous post requires a rediculous reply.

    Just because you think their vicious doesn't mean you have the right to kill them all. There are thousands upon thousands of people who have pitbulls and such dogs you deem unworthy to live, that love them very much.

    My post only shows that these attacks are common among ANY wild or even domesticated animal. Why? BECAUSE THEY'RE ANIMALS! They don't have the thought/logical processes we do, nor the self restraint. They have instincts and act upon those instincts.

    I was attacked by my dog when I was two. I recieved 20+ stitches across my face going from my left cheek to just under my right eye. Another 1/2 inch up, and I could have lost my eye or severely damaged it. Yet, I loved that dog until he died 6 years later.

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