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Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

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  • #61
    Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

    I know in our utter grip of fandom it is hard to look at things rationally, but let's try this on for size.

    Reggie retired in sincerity intending to never come back to the game.

    A few years later, like so many athletes before him (Jordan, Sugar Ray Leonard, etc.,) he decides he misses the competition and wants to return.

    A return to his former team, which is in a state of shambles, makes absolutely no sense at this stage in his career. He doesn't have enough in the tank to propel it to another level and they sure don't have it without him. One more season of .500 ball hardly seems appealing to leave retirment.

    So, he decides to take the best opportunity to win the championship that has eluded him for his career, play in a new city, and engage in competition. If it doesn't work out (ala MJ and the Wizards,) he can simply write it off as a bad idea. If he wins a championship or is in the hunt for one again, I'm sure it will be worth it to him.

    I guess from his standpoint I don't see that he is making a bad move, and quite frankly it is about the only decision that would make sense. We have all felt one way on a certain topic and felt free to change our minds at a future date. As a human being Reggie can do the same.

    I'll vote for him whenever he plays anybody but the Pacers, and it sounds like it may give me a team to root for in the playoffs.

    I think everything else folks are saying on here is more selfish in its conception than anything else. I sure don't want to see him in Celtic green either, but I was glad to see a Celtic (Larry Bird) on our bench.
    “Seventy percent of me talking on the court is personally for me to get me
    motivated and going. Thirty percent is to see if I can get into the opponent’s head.”
    Reggie Miller

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    • #62
      Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

      Good post Naptown!


      Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
      And let me tell you, as a monster Yanks fan even I HATED that, it was repulsive, even before he threw the bat at Piazza.

      If Jeter ever signed with Boston...suicide watch.


      Look, the point isn't "if he wants to do it" and "look what he did for Indy", the point is that BEYOND THOSE THINGS another MAJOR part of his legacy is that he stuck it out with Indy, no matter what. Like Favre is now, like plenty of other greats who have had the option to move on but didn't. That's a special circle of players and he GOT CREDIT FOR IT.

      He wants to hear the crowd? Just walk on the floor at Conseco during any Pacers game EVER from now till the end of time. They gave him a freaking car, they PAID HIM AN EXTRA SEASON, that stuff, the fans reaction, that was all about "you were always our guy and you were great".

      You don't get that treatment if you go from city to city. You think if KG wins it all and stays with Boston for 6 more years that the Wolves fans will love him like we love Reggie?

      Heck, you think Boston fans will love Reggie like we do?

      And that's IF HE PLAYS WELL. There is almost zero upside here. He gets a ring that EVERYONE will consider unearned, barring some miraculous effort on his part that even he doesn't think he has in him. Wow. Why not just have KG give him his ring instead, it will be about as personal.

      The flip is that he goes out like Namath, Mays, Mel Daniels and a slew of others who stayed too long, let alone coming back after a few years. Think of Dennis Rodman and his Spurs thing. Do you want games like that on Reggie's resume?

      Heck, anything BUT a ring will make this effort a failure. It's not like this is automatic.



      IMO right now Reggie is so money and he doesn't even know it. He's going to walk away from his hard earned legacy to go chase this other crap, this empty one night stand.
      :thepacers
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      • #63
        Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

        i guess i am in the extreme minority here when i say i really don't give a damn whether he plays for the celtics or not. he still spent the majority of his career playing here. it would simply mean to me that he isn't playing here anymore. if he did come back- he is by no means obligated to come play for the pacers. if he came back it would be for a ring and that sure as hell isn't happening here in the next couple of years. so to come back to this team would be a waste of time. if we had a real contender here, i think he would probably come back here but we ain't got a contender. most likely a team that could win 35-45 games and a likely 1st round exit assuming we make the playoffs. reggie played on enough of those teams here in years past.

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        • #64
          Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

          Here is what Carlisle told Reggie:

          "You know, in the ten years that I coached, I never met anybody who wanted to win as badly as I did. I'd do anything I had to do to increase my advantage. Anybody who tried to block the pursuit of that advantage, I'd just push 'em out of the way. Didn't matter who they were, or what they were doing. But that was then. You have special talent, a gift. Not the Pacers', not the city's, not the team's, not Donnie Walsh's, not mine. It's yours, to do with what you choose. Because that's what I believe, I can tell you this: I don't care if you play on the Celtics or not"
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • #65
            Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

            Originally posted by Bball View Post
            Here is what Carlisle told Reggie:

            "You know, in the ten years that I coached, I never met anybody who wanted to win as badly as I did. I'd do anything I had to do to increase my advantage. Anybody who tried to block the pursuit of that advantage, I'd just push 'em out of the way. Didn't matter who they were, or what they were doing. But that was then. You have special talent, a gift. Not the Pacers', not the city's, not the team's, not Donnie Walsh's, not mine. It's yours, to do with what you choose. Because that's what I believe, I can tell you this: I don't care if you play on the Celtics or not"
            Did Carlisle really steal a quote from the movie "Hoosiers"?

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            • #66
              Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

              Originally posted by Swingman View Post
              Did Carlisle really steal a quote from the movie "Hoosiers"?

              My mistake... that is what Coach Norman Dale told Reggie!



              -Bball
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #67
                Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                And let me tell you, as a monster Yanks fan even I HATED that, it was repulsive, even before he threw the bat at Piazza.

                If Jeter ever signed with Boston...suicide watch.


                Look, the point isn't "if he wants to do it" and "look what he did for Indy", the point is that BEYOND THOSE THINGS another MAJOR part of his legacy is that he stuck it out with Indy, no matter what. Like Favre is now, like plenty of other greats who have had the option to move on but didn't. That's a special circle of players and he GOT CREDIT FOR IT.

                He wants to hear the crowd? Just walk on the floor at Conseco during any Pacers game EVER from now till the end of time. They gave him a freaking car, they PAID HIM AN EXTRA SEASON, that stuff, the fans reaction, that was all about "you were always our guy and you were great".

                You don't get that treatment if you go from city to city. You think if KG wins it all and stays with Boston for 6 more years that the Wolves fans will love him like we love Reggie?

                Heck, you think Boston fans will love Reggie like we do?

                And that's IF HE PLAYS WELL. There is almost zero upside here. He gets a ring that EVERYONE will consider unearned, barring some miraculous effort on his part that even he doesn't think he has in him. Wow. Why not just have KG give him his ring instead, it will be about as personal.

                The flip is that he goes out like Namath, Mays, Mel Daniels and a slew of others who stayed too long, let alone coming back after a few years. Think of Dennis Rodman and his Spurs thing. Do you want games like that on Reggie's resume?

                Heck, anything BUT a ring will make this effort a failure. It's not like this is automatic.



                IMO right now Reggie is so money and he doesn't even know it. He's going to walk away from his hard earned legacy to go chase this other crap, this empty one night stand.
                Post of the mother ing year. I'm book marking it just to nominate it next year. EXACTLY how I feel. EXACTLY. No kidding about hearing the crowd again Conseco erupted anytime he was within 10 miles of it last year.


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                • #68
                  Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

                  Reggie winning a title with the Celtics is like buying an online degree. Sure it's a degree, but is it worth anything?

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                  • #69
                    Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

                    I wish Reggie the best, if anyone deserves a ring it would be him.

                    But, as a Pacer fan, can you rub anymore salt in our wounds?

                    The sand, that we as a collective fan base, have had kicked in our face the past several seasons has left me numb inside.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

                      When he does suit up, at least it'll give me reason to watch a lot more NCAA ball. Gotta check out these lottery picks after all.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

                        Originally posted by mildlysane View Post
                        Any takes on what Bird had to say? I wasn't able to listen.
                        Was Bird even on?

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                        • #72
                          Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

                          OK, lemme toss mt 2 cents out there, alot of which has already been eluded to, here and in other posts.

                          I was saddened to hear about all of this, yeah, it kills the legacy here at home, but you know if there was any kind of hope for a ring here, then this is where he would have come back too. He did have his chances here, of course, against the evil lakers, another stolen by someones Grandmama, the last, and I believe the best chance snatched away by a lunatic, and a dude with a beer cup. So, do I blame him for giving it another run?.. no does it tarnish his retirement here? yes, but with the events surrounding his last 2 years here, I don't blame him for taking his shot.

                          now what does this say to JO?...I think Reg was his mentor, and I do think that he will opt out now, and get his ring before he retires, improving on the example Reg is setting for him now.

                          I wish Reggie well if indeed he does give it another shot, If he would have had his shot here the last couple of years then he wouldn't be doing this, I say welcome him back, cheer him on and hope like hell we have someone who can stop him, and Redd.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

                            Originally posted by dubyacop View Post
                            now what does this say to JO?...
                            I think it says, "I like KG a whole lot more than I like you."
                            PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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                            • #74
                              Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

                              Originally posted by dubyacop View Post
                              He did have his chances here, of course, against the evil lakers, another stolen by someones Grandmama, the last, and I believe the best chance snatched away by a lunatic, and a dude with a beer cup. So, do I blame him for giving it another run?.. no does it tarnish his retirement here? yes, but with the events surrounding his last 2 years here, I don't blame him for taking his shot.

                              If Reggie comes back I'd bet it's because he feels that the last couple of years with the Pacers were unfullfilling. He might feel that he was sooo close and was robbed by Ron Artest and to a lesser degree David Stern.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Larry Bird and Reggie Miller to be on Dan Patrick Show today....

                                Good for Reggie.... I hope he signs with Boston and takes a legit shot at a championship, he deserves one.

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