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    Default Suns trade Kurt Thomas and two 1st rounders to Seattle for 2nd rounder

    Okay, this is getting ridiculous.

    http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns...traded-CR.html

    Thomas traded to Seattle

    Team also re-signs Marks

    Paul Coro
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    Jul. 20, 2007 09:01 AM
    The Suns traded center Kurt Thomas this morning in a move that relieves some salary-cap pressure.

    Thomas goes to the Seattle SuperSonics, along with the Suns' own 2008 and 2010 first-round draft picks in exchange for a future conditional 2nd round pick and a trade exception, worth about $8 million.

    The league's new luxury tax threshold -- the number at which teams would begin to be taxed -- came in different from what the Suns expected, at $67.9 million, and would have left Phoenix more than $10 million over that number.

    The Suns also re-signed Sean Marks. If draft picks Alando Tucker and D.J. Strawberry make the team, that would leave Phoenix with one roster position open. They will be looking to fill it with a free-agent front-line player.
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    These guys must think Nash is immortal.

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    Default Re: Suns trade Kurt Thomas and two 1st rounders to Seattle for 2nd rounder

    Here's what Kerr said.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...e=NBAHeadlines

    "We are doing everything we can to keep our core group together. Sometimes in doing so, you have difficult decisions to make," Suns general manager Steve Kerr said in a statement.

    "We feel good going forward having our core group of players under contract for several years, including the recent addition of free-agent Grant Hill. The bottom line is there are tough decisions to make, but we have flexibility and our core together. We really like the group of players we've assembled and feel we can make a legitimate run for an NBA championship next season."
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    Default Re: Suns trade Kurt Thomas and two 1st rounders to Seattle for 2nd rounder

    Darn too bad we didn't have 8 mil in cap space. Even though they are low #1's still have a value and Thomas is servicable for a year.

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    Wow.

    A god awful move for them.

    They should have recgonized last summer that they would be in this position when they signed Marcus Banks.

    What really makes this deal so awful is that they have traded away their 1rst round picks for the past two years atleast for pretty much nothing but cash I believe.

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    Thomas goes to the Seattle SuperSonics, along with the Suns' own 2008 and 2010 first-round draft picks in exchange for a future conditional 2nd round pick and a trade exception, worth about $8 million.
    They left out the closing paragraph in this article which reads:

    Seattle owners and management immediately hired a voodoo practitioner to initiate an accident to the Suns' team bus in which Amare Stoudamire, Steve Nash and Shawn Marion would be injured and out for the season.
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    I'm nearly positive Phoenix would have rather done this deal with Orlando instead, considering they're in the East and the Suns can't be to enthused about allowing a team that has Kevin Durant to have FIVE first-rounders in the next three drafts.

    Too bad the Magic failed to convince the Grizz to do a sign-and-trade for Darko, which would have given them a $7 million trade exception. Between that **** up and overpaying for Rashard by $50 million, we may have found a guy that can challenge Kevin McHale's "Worst GM in the League" dynasty.

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    Eh, Pheonix gets Atlanta's pick next year (which will more than likely be in the lottery.) So they're really only giving up a 2010 1st rounder to save about 16 million dollars. Not a bad move.
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    Eh, Pheonix gets Atlanta's pick next year (which will more than likely be in the lottery.) So they're really only giving up a 2010 1st rounder to save about 16 million dollars. Not a bad move.
    - When you lose your pick you lose your pick. All they gained from this deal was a second rounder. That's awful when you trade away a good big. Maybe I can see this move if you are dealing Marcus Banks, but Kurt Thomas? No way.
    - In 2010 the Suns could very well be awful. It all depends on Steve Nash and how long he can last.

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    - When you lose your pick you lose your pick. All they gained from this deal was a second rounder. That's awful when you trade away a good big. Maybe I can see this move if you are dealing Marcus Banks, but Kurt Thomas? No way.
    They have a lottery pick next year, and they're obviously not going to pay two first rounders. They've clearly shown that. And ownership told Steve Kerr to cut salary or else, so he did all he could do.

    When did they trade a good big? Did I miss an Amare deal?

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    - In 2010 the Suns could very well be awful. It all depends on Steve Nash and how long he can last.
    They could also be the two time defending champs. And if they are awful, and decide to rebuild, they have assets to do so without a 1st rounder 3 years from now.

    People really need to start getting just how important this luxury tax is to the NBA owners. Important enough that teams have to give up more than little bit to just get under it. Important enough that it's killed pretty much every potential deal for about two years now. Fortunately for the Suns, they have that Hawks pick to mitigate this significantly. 16+ million dollars to have to potentially sit out the first round of the 2010 draft is not a bad tradeoff since owners don't get to operate in financial fantasy land like all of us fans do.
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    Forgot they had ATL's pick next year.

    Fine move by Kerr then. For Phoenix, it's all about right now. 2010 is too far off to care about for them. It's a little easier to not care about future picks when you have Amare and Leandro around as well.

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    Heck I might have taken Marcus Banks off their hands with our 4 mil trade exception if thet'd have thrown in the 2008 # 1.

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    Heck I might have taken Marcus Banks off their hands with our 4 mil trade exception if thet'd have thrown in the 2008 # 1.
    Of course, then we'd be paying about 8 million for Banks next year. And that would buy us an end of the first round pick. Doesn't seem all that likely management would have had an interest in that.
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    Depends if we make any other moves depending on how much Travis Diener gets the Pacers are currently 2.8 mil under the luxury threshhold including Deiner at around $ 770,000 next year. Banks makes 3.88 so yeah a mil in luxury tax . Catchy part is Banks has multiple years on his deal.

    As of now the Pacers have the 2.8 wiggle room against the luxury tax remember Orien Greene is listed but he was waived so his contract did not become guaranteed. I'm figuring Diener got 1.5-1.75 range total for 1st 2 years and prob 1mil 3rd year player option. A 3year 2.75 mil total deal.

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    You would think the Suns would have learned from Orlando's mistake. Orlando gave the Clippers a 1st round pick to take Maggette off their hands so they could free up enough to sign McGrady AND Grant Hill.

    We all know how that worked out.

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    Wonder if Mullin tried to get the same deal from them since he's got nearly a 10M TE from the JRich trade. Of course, it makes sense that PHX would rather trade with a rebuilding team than a playoff rival.
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    Wow.

    A god awful move for them.

    They should have recgonized last summer that they would be in this position when they signed Marcus Banks.

    What really makes this deal so awful is that they have traded away their 1rst round picks for the past two years atleast for pretty much nothing but cash I believe.
    its not like thomas = ratliff... the suns needed thomas against the spurs and dallas. this leaves their front line fairly thin... but strategically i have no problem with it. you can't lay the banks signing on kerr... he's trying to fix the mess and this isn't a terrible move... yet
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    Geez.....we really have to get ourselves one of those trade exceptions....they seem to come in handy.

    We still have our 4mil trade exception? Are going to do anything with that?

    When's the expiration date on that?
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    I would love to see the reaction of this board if we would have traded, lets say Foster, and 2 first rounders for a second rounder. OMG it would be classic. Bird and Walsh would be hung.

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    I would love to see the reaction of this board if we would have traded, lets say Foster, and 2 first rounders for a second rounder. OMG it would be classic. Bird and Walsh would be hung.
    The board would explode from everyone PFFL'ing.
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    I would love to see the reaction of this board if we would have traded, lets say Foster, and 2 first rounders for a second rounder. OMG it would be classic. Bird and Walsh would be hung.
    Not if the team had won 55-60 games each of the last 4 seasons.
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    It wouldn't bother me if we traded Tinsley and the Suns 2 first round picks (not ours because ours will be much better picks than the Suns, but the 28th pick in the draft is not very valuable) for a future second round pick. I'd be happy in fact. Of course we don't have the Suns first rounders,

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