It's obviously the off-season, tiresome repeats of positions, no player can do right, tptb can't do right, talents is everything and we can win a title in a few years if we just had a team of rookies and "high draft-picks".
Please let's get rid of JO and Tinsley because with them this team is heading out of town, it will be sold because we don't sell enough tickets, we need "talent" and it will fill CFH because we would come for one!
Aye aye my lumbago, admins need to step in top stop trolls (in the off-season no less) and to "restrict" the numbers of threads on a topic which had given us 18 threads in 3 days, all containing the same above slightly abbreviated context.
I know there are heat-waves going around here, but hey, I stay in air-conditioned rooms when possible and drink darned cold beer when not, I do wonder about the situation in Indianapolis though.
In my opinion (which to me is important, but I support your right to ignore it or laugh it off) there are a few different factions left at the moment, not counting the dreaming fans of other teams and of those excluding our resident enemies;
1: The Sky is falling
Sorry but I know an exhibition somewhere around here with some used signs of that nature, I suggest you make your own and who knows you (or your signs) will be in a museum soon as well.
I have a hard time taking posters like that serious, and mostly when I do they agitate me, so I generally ignore them.
This team is going nowhere, it was a lot worse then it is now when they stayed, and the company does well in general, The Pacers is just a "part" of it.
2: We want a complete rebuilding!
the most funny to read, definitely the most funny, drop a few vets, all stars even and get instantly better when you get "talents" and win the championship in a few years or at least contend for one.
Logically (1 + 1 =2) IF rebuilding was the answer then all teams in the league would do that at great regularity, and hmmmmmm somewhere that drowns in logic.
Now this "rebuild" dream is supported by stating that it will "likely" bring people back to CFH, like there are missing millions, but ok, ask yourself a few questions;
a: Who sells most shirts, shoes and other merchandise?
b: How many people on this board "frequent" CFH?
c: What was last year's average?
d: How big a percentage does this board make of that?
e: You knowing who Bynum is, does that mean that the average fan knows who he is?
f: Does the corporate seat holder, box holder etc want to associate with a 6
time All Star or a "talent"?
g: Who brings in the "real" money for the company, the corp seats or the
(Addendum to g; Bleecher fans are usually the "real" fans, so all respect to
them, they carry the team, but not the bottom line.)
f: How many "losing seasons" will it take for the corp seats to leave?
What "we" might find attractive most likely is not that attractive from a financial point of view, i.e boxholders/corp seats buyers, as a corp seat holder you want to "invite" people to a "winner" and not a Loser or "rebuilder", people do not like to be associated with losing, certainly not in business. (exceptions only confirm general statements)
All of that is what "sets" the price of a player like JO, main questions being: can we be competive with the replacement and can we fill the seats/sell the jerseys with his replacement.
If those questions are answered negative then there will be no trade.
3: Get JO (and Tinsley) out of here at all cost
These people I can not understand, maybe their thinking is given in by huge complexes or I simply am trying to explain something that can't be explained.
Jo is not a franchise player? OK, then the Pacers never had a franchise player and well, he is at least statistically the closest thing to it we ever had, let me list a few "stats" and feel free to hate stats.
In 7 years he is in most top 10's of this franchise, points, percentage, fgm (not fga btw), #1 in blocked shots, high in rebounds, off reb and def rebounds, #2 in scoring avg (0.09% behind Big Mac) most All Star elections, most All NBA and the only player to get all NBA 2nd.
That is in only 7 years, not 13 or 18, just 7.
He has won more additional awards then any player here ever, for community service and so forth, so he has been a "model citizen"
He has taken a high school girl to the Prom making her grades a demand for doing so, not a 5 minute appearance, a whole night.
He is by far the best player we have and no trade except for KG would make us "improve" on that.
4: Get rid of DW (and some want LB out (to))
Yeah because DW has proven he can not do the job, loses money for the company every year and has made this team a mess with his acquisitions over the past 4 years and not firing his friend the coach.
Reggie who is revered by JO and calls JO his best friend on the team the last 4 years, deferred way to much, yet everybody has forgotten that, made JO "leader" and "led by example" when people talk about his leadership, yet JO, the best player by far, one with a great attitude towards community, stands for values, and by far the best player on the team, works very hard, came/comes back after every off-season with an addition to his game, never complained about the coach in public, supported the coach (in public) is not an example?
Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking when they write all that stuff, where they see the team, the Pacers and what goes with it, but only sometimes.
To me every player on this team, whether I like them or not (should I choose to "dislike" someone I do not know personally) is an "Indiana Pacer", until they leave or get traded, till then I'm all for having them play at the peak of their ability and letting them know I support them.
The number 1 rule of a trade should be that it should "improve" your team, NOW, not in (hopefully) 2 or 3 years time, without a "corporate face" in front of this team, the real money that supports this team might leave, and then we might even see the sky come down.