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    Default Magic sign Rashard Lewis, cut Darko loose

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    5 years, $75 million for Lewis, and to create the room under the cap they renounced their rights to Darko Milicic.

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    Default Re: Magic sign Rashard Lewis, cut Darko loose

    one possibility is that orlando will try to arrange a sign and trade with seattle for shard. that way, they won't need to renounce darko and would still retain his bird rights.

    not sure though what seattle would want in return. turkoglu? battie? they do have some expiring contracts (arroyo, garrity, dooling) which, coupled with a future pick, might do the trick.
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    Default Re: Magic sign Rashard Lewis, cut Darko loose

    No way does Seattle take any of Orlando's cap garbage. That makes no sense to me.

    Sure they'll ask Seattle about working something out, but do you really think the Sonics would take on $15 million worth of salary just to have some extra role players?

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    Great move by the Magic. Chauncey wanted to go there badly but they passed on him to go with the more gifted and younger Rashard Lewis. Some will say $15M per is overpaying, not me. Adding a 23/7/3 guy to go along with further development from Dwight, Jameer, and Ariza could make Orlando one of the best teams in the East for the foreseeable future.

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    No way does Seattle take any of Orlando's cap garbage. That makes no sense to me.

    Sure they'll ask Seattle about working something out, but do you really think the Sonics would take on $15 million worth of salary just to have some extra role players?
    really depends on whether seattle likes any of orlando's pieces...

    rashard's starting salary should be about $13m, within 25% matching of that means orlando needs to send $10m+ in salary to seattle. if we consider minimum salary commitment (i.e., orlando sends their 3 expiring contracts + $3m cash + pick) then seattle would still be on the hook for $7-8m, just to get a future pick most probably.

    so yes, unless seattle really likes one of the magic's players, then a s&t would probably be hard to pull off.

    btw, i think magic overpaid. $10m starting salary (5 years, $60m) is probably closer.

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    rashard's starting salary should be about $13m, within 25% matching of that means orlando needs to send $10m+ in salary to seattle. if we consider minimum salary commitment (i.e., orlando sends their 3 expiring contracts + $3m cash + pick) then seattle would still be on the hook for $7-8m, just to get a future pick most probably.
    They also can't go to the fans and try to sell them on being the two that gave up TWO 1st rounders for Darko Milicic...

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    Default Re: Magic sign Rashard Lewis, cut Darko loose

    Once again franchise money given to a guy who isn't a franchise player. You'll probably will see Orlando in two years looking to move the guy.

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    one possibility is that orlando will try to arrange a sign and trade with seattle for shard. that way, they won't need to renounce darko and would still retain his bird rights.

    not sure though what seattle would want in return. turkoglu? battie? they do have some expiring contracts (arroyo, garrity, dooling) which, coupled with a future pick, might do the trick.
    I don't think the timeline works. Not sure exactly what it is myself either, but the Rashard signing won't occur until July 11. In the meantime, the Magic would hafta keep a qualifying offer on the table (which I think has some cap ramifications in terms of other deals) and then if anyone else makes an offer they have such-and-such time to match it.

    Again, not sure what the timeline is on all that, but I think it makes making multiple deals while still retaining Darko's restricted tag difficult if not impossible. There are some limitations, I believe, and don't think it's as easy as just signing another guy first and then waiting until later to sign your own player under the Bird exception to "beat the cap".

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    Good place for Lewis to land.

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    While hardly making Orlando the title holder for the next few years, this is actually a solid move on thier part.

    They already have the best big man in the East and really I'd condsider him up there with about anybody out west as well and now add veteran like Lewis who can shoot from distance and has to at least be watched off of the dribble.

    All I can say is that some of the peripheral teams from last year are improving ie. Boston, New York, Orlando and so far we've changed coach's. Granted that may be an improvement but how much of one?

    Granted it's still early in the off-season but man it would be nice to get some kind of action going, although I know free agency is not one of our options.


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    I was thinking the same thing. Teams that were already better than us have improved on paper. The few teams that were worse than us, have improved on paper. I think Larry Bird's biggest problem is thinking he can fix this team and turn it into a winner now. Apparently Matt Carroll is gonna get us over the hump. I really wish they'd just give it up and officially start the rebuild.

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    Default Re: Magic sign Rashard Lewis, cut Darko loose

    East got significantly better with this signing. I think Orlando could push for 50 wins next season.

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    Default Re: Magic sign Rashard Lewis, cut Darko loose

    Actually the Magic and Sonics are both under the cap . So no 75% + $100,000 is needed. The Magic could receive Rashard Lewis signed for $13mil starting salary and trade any minimal contract say J J Redick (2.0 mil)and the Sonics would receive a trade exception of 7.3 mil, Lewis former salary $9.3 mil -Redick"s 2 mil. Similar to when the Pacers traded Peja to the Hornets for the rights to Andrew Betts.
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    I was thinking the same thing. Teams that were already better than us have improved on paper. The few teams that were worse than us, have improved on paper. I think Larry Bird's biggest problem is thinking he can fix this team and turn it into a winner now. Apparently Matt Carroll is gonna get us over the hump. I really wish they'd just give it up and officially start the rebuild.
    you're assuming quite a bit in thinking we're actually going to sign him my guess is we try to sign any of the following guys:

    dell curry
    dennis scott
    calbert cheaney
    bobby hurley

    and the big shooter? lonnie baxter
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    Too much money.
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    If Darko would've been drafted a Pacer he would still be secure and looking over his extension while using lit 100.00 bills to start his grill.

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    The only player on Orlando's roster that would be worth the S&T for Seattle is Darko.

    Financially, it's a stupid move on Orlando's part. Yes, he'll put up good numbers in the east, but in a year they're gonna have two max players and nothing else. Just dumb.

    However, as has been said, we now have another team that was already marginally better than us last year that just got a lot better. Even if we "reload", as Larry puts it, we're still gonna have a hard time making the playoffs. Better to blow it up.
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    The Magic might be a force in the weak east.
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    The only player on Orlando's roster that would be worth the S&T for Seattle is Darko.
    It might even be worth sending a draft pick Orlando's way to get Darko and whatever exception is generated. Those exceptions definitely seem to be worth a second round pick. Is that legal?


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    Financially, it's a stupid move on Orlando's part. Yes, he'll put up good numbers in the east, but in a year they're gonna have two max players and nothing else. Just dumb.
    I agree. There's nothing wrong with overpaying a guy if he's worth that much to you, heck the Suns paid Nash more than his market value at the time and look how well its worked out for them. But the Magic have nowhere to really go after this. How much better can Dwight Howard get? They have no other trade pieces (maybe Darko in a S&T, but how much can that bring in), most of their cap space tied up in two guys, and are looking at mediocre draft choices for the next 5 years.

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    The Magic might be a force in the weak east.
    See I don't see how this is a dramatic improvement over what Grant Hill did last year. I realize Lewis is better than Hill and will be especially this year, but as pointed out other places it's not like the Magic didn't get good production from the SF area out of Hill/Hedo last season.

    They flopped terribly last season, so a slight improvement at the SF gets them maybe into the 6-8 seed area, hardly a force just yet.

    I'm with Kegboy, to me this is spending just for the sake of spending. I like what Seattle has done over the last few weeks. By splitting Allen's contract into several pieces and letting Lewis go outright they've really helped their finances, and in the meantime their strong draft additions help maintain a similar level of talent.

    They might not win more next year but it at least it won't be at the same financial pain. To me they have positioned themselves perfectly to make one more set of steps this season and next summer and should make be able to step back into playoff contention in 08-09.


    Hill 14.4 on 52.5% from 2pt with a 1.42 PPS
    Lewis 22.4 on 50.5% from 2pt with a 1.34 PPS

    Hill was more productive per attempt and shot better inside the arc. Hill simply didn't take any 3s while Lewis is a very solid 39%. Lewis gives you 3 extra rebounds and everything else is about the same. When you factor in Hedo being a 39% 3pt guy and the fact that Howard absorbs almost every rebound down there I'm not sure I see specifically where Lewis makes this year's output a lot different from last year's. Lewis to me just ensures that you will have "Grant Hill" around for more seasons than Hill himself is going to last.
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    I was thinking the same thing. Teams that were already better than us have improved on paper. The few teams that were worse than us, have improved on paper. I think Larry Bird's biggest problem is thinking he can fix this team and turn it into a winner now. Apparently Matt Carroll is gonna get us over the hump. I really wish they'd just give it up and officially start the rebuild.
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    Despite the fact that he resembles both a certain porn star and
    the architect of 9/11, Van Gundy is a pretty damn good coach.
    Since Hill couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag, that aspect
    in Orlando will certainly be improved next year.

    Couple that, the resulting better use of Howard's skills, the addition
    of Lewis and presumable growth in Arizza and their PG (name escapes
    me) and they'll be a handful by the time Jan-08 rolls around and they
    have 25-30 games under their belts.

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    How much better can Dwight Howard get?
    A lot, lot better, I'd say. His offensive game still lacks a lot of polish, and he seems to have the ability to develop a larger number of and much more effectifive post moves. He's still getting by on overpowering mostly now. If he can improve his touch around the hoop or extend his range by just a few feet, he can turn into an absolute MONSTER. Defensively, he's right there with the elite big men already, and is only gonna get better/stronger.

    I agree that this doesn't leave them a lot of room to improve. They're going to have to get one more solid dude and a few key role players to really make this thing work.

    I really like Jameer though. So Orlando is pairing a good, heady and fearless PG (I see him as very Bibby-like) with a dead-eye shooter in Rasard and an absolute defensive beast with enough offensive game in Dwight, and you got a really good foundation for the next 5 years. All these guys are young...They have time.

    And for whatever reason, I still really like Trevor Ariza. The stats may not reflect it, but he's been developing really well since leaving NY, and is just a ridiculous athlete with lock-down D potential.

    It'll take a lucky draft pick or a savvy trade to put them in true contender status, but they needed an elite swingman to get to the next level, so they went and got the best one available. Probably overpaid, but they managed to get the guy off the market in about five days, so they accomplished their goal. And with that cap space and a developing sqaud, it's not a bad thing to get the ball rolling sooner rather than later, and not miss out on the guy you want to save a million or two per year in cap space.
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    I like what Seattle has done over the last few weeks. By splitting Allen's contract into several pieces and letting Lewis go outright they've really helped their finances, and in the meantime their strong draft additions help maintain a similar level of talent.

    They might not win more next year but it at least it won't be at the same financial pain. To me they have positioned themselves perfectly to make one more set of steps this season and next summer and should make be able to step back into playoff contention in 08-09.
    i agree. same with portland's moves. both guys are young guys that sprouted out of the spurs front office... i just think we need an entirely different perspective in our front office if we want to see dramatic changes.
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