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    - JO won't opt out
    - If he does, $20 million buys a lot more talent than the Lakers are trying to give us
    except no FA wants to go to Indy

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    except no FA wants to go to Indy
    Nor will any want to go to L.A. when Kobe gets dealt to Chicago.

    No, wait, that's not fair. L.A. still has the Clippers.

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    - JO won't opt out
    - If he does, $20 million buys a lot more talent than the Lakers are trying to give us

    One of our capologists needs to chime in here. What would we have to sign a FA next season if JO opted out?

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    One of our capologists needs to chime in here. What would we have to sign a FA next season if JO opted out?

    -Bball
    Probably about ten million. We won't know this years figures until July 10th, so it's a complete guess as to next year.

    Right now rumor is the salary cap will be about $55 million this year, with the Lux tax starting at about $65 million. The Pacers will probably come in at about the lux tax again.

    Next years figures will be somewhere in the same vacinity, so with JO making around $21 million, we could be anywhere from 8 to 12 million under the cap. He's not going to opt out though unless he has one heck of a year, this year.

    With him having a salary of $21 million no one could sign him for that outright so it would have to be a sign and trade.
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    the Lakers simply don't have enough quality pieces

    Amen. Outside of Princess Kobe they really don't have much.

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    lol yeah isn't DaSmash the guy who knew everything and had all that inside info and he knew EXACTLY what would happen!
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    except no FA wants to go to Indy
    Byron Scott seemed pretty happy here.

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    LOL trust me we are not all one and the same. The consensus opinion amongst 99% of us Laker fans is that LO+AB is overpaying. If the Pacers don't want to compromise then fine, we'll just look elsewhere.
    Seriously, where else are you gonna look? Pau Gasol? You think his little bro is gonna beg him to go to LA somehow? He's equal to JO on offense but no where near on defense, which is what you guys actually need, a low post threat who is a beast on blocks.

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    The two biggest difference between the Lakers/Pacers franchise, no disrespect to Pacers fan btw, but the Lakers are a team known to win and are not satisfy with being mediocre. Certainly not in the eyes of Hollywood where celebrities buy season tickets just to see the Lakers being mediocre. Well, for the Pacers organization, from the fan perspective being mediocre is acceptable although not something y'all want.
    Apparently it's been acceptable for your front office for the past 3 seasons even though they have the best player in the league and refuse to get him any decent help. And now that player is unhappy because he isn't satisfied with being mediocre.

    Also everyone trying to compare the All-Stars who got traded recently (Shaq/AI), they DEMANDED a trade PUBLICLY, which hurts your team to in trade negotioations *cough* Kobe *cough*. We went through it with Artest, but JO for all we know has NOT demanded a trade, maybe behind closed doors but certainly not to the press. So of course they didn't get "fair value" on their All-Stars.

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    People wanting to come play basketball in LA will have nothing to do with Kobe Bryant. They come because LA is a great place to live. It's no coincidence that so many athletes own houses here (even KG has a place in Malibu).

    We'll never have to worry about attracting FA's. Our legacy as a basketball organization won't be tarnished because our star player decided to throw a hissy fit one off-season. We are winners, and have only missed the playoffs twice since Dr. Buss took over ownership. When was the last time Indy won a championship.....oh that's right never. When was the last time you guys sniffed the Finals....oh that's right in 99-00 when we won. So don't talk to me about Kobe like he's bigger than our franchise, he's not.

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    People wanting to come play basketball in LA will have nothing to do with Kobe Bryant. They come because LA is a great place to live. It's no coincidence that so many athletes own houses here (even KG has a place in Malibu).

    We'll never have to worry about attracting FA's. Our legacy as a basketball organization won't be tarnished because our star player decided to throw a hissy fit one off-season. We are winners, and have only missed the playoffs twice since Dr. Buss took over ownership. When was the last time Indy won a championship.....oh that's right never. When was the last time you guys sniffed the Finals....oh that's right in 99-00 when we won. So don't talk to me about Kobe like he's bigger than our franchise, he's not.
    You're really endearing us to want to help you guys.

    NJ's looking better all the time. I want to see how "easy" it'll be for LA to recover from losing Kobe and Phil.
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    You're really endearing us to want to help you guys.

    NJ's looking better all the time. I want to see how "easy" it'll be for LA to recover from losing Kobe and Phil.
    Indeed, they couldn't recover from losing Shaq, they traded Caron Butler for Kwame Brown for ****s sake. They trade Kobe, they sure as hell aren't going to get fair value for him, considering his little "no trade" clause.

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    Indeed, they couldn't recover from losing Shaq, they traded Caron Butler for Kwame Brown for ****s sake. They trade Kobe, they sure as hell aren't going to get fair value for him, considering his little "no trade" clause.
    If you think injury-prone Kristic and Jefferson are going to get you to the promise-land then by all means make that bone-head trade. Larry/Bird want Bynum.

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    If you think injury-prone Kristic and Jefferson are going to get you to the promise-land then by all means make that bone-head trade. Larry/Bird want Bynum.
    I never said that they would, nor am I all the hyped about Jefferson, the only way I would like that trade is if we could flip him somewhere else for a SG or PG. Kristic has proved himself to be an above average player, Bynum hasn't yet. Potential isn't everything, if that was the case Qyntel Woods would be an All-Star and Jonathon Bender would be in the HOF already.

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    People wanting to come play basketball in LA will have nothing to do with Kobe Bryant. They come because LA is a great place to live. It's no coincidence that so many athletes own houses here (even KG has a place in Malibu).

    We'll never have to worry about attracting FA's. Our legacy as a basketball organization won't be tarnished because our star player decided to throw a hissy fit one off-season. We are winners, and have only missed the playoffs twice since Dr. Buss took over ownership. When was the last time Indy won a championship.....oh that's right never. When was the last time you guys sniffed the Finals....oh that's right in 99-00 when we won. So don't talk to me about Kobe like he's bigger than our franchise, he's not.
    I would like to congratulate you for all the hard work you personally put into that legacy. You have a right to thump your chest at the rest of the world.


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    If you think injury-prone Kristic and Jefferson are going to get you to the promise-land then by all means make that bone-head trade. Larry/Bird want Bynum.
    JO's much more injury prone than Krstic and Jefferson. All 3 are coming off injuries this past season, however Krstic played in 75 and 80 games before that, and Jefferson played in 79, 80, 82, 33 (wrist), and 78.
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    (even KG has a place in Malibu).
    Anyone who lives in MN during the winter should have a beach house in Malibu.

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    People wanting to come play basketball in LA will have nothing to do with Kobe Bryant. They come because LA is a great place to live. It's no coincidence that so many athletes own houses here (even KG has a place in Malibu).

    We'll never have to worry about attracting FA's. Our legacy as a basketball organization won't be tarnished because our star player decided to throw a hissy fit one off-season. We are winners, and have only missed the playoffs twice since Dr. Buss took over ownership. When was the last time Indy won a championship.....oh that's right never. When was the last time you guys sniffed the Finals....oh that's right in 99-00 when we won. So don't talk to me about Kobe like he's bigger than our franchise, he's not.
    If everyone wants to play in L.A., why are the Lakers saddled with a team of scrubs? Why did Shaq want out? Why does Kobe want out?

    Players want to win, first and foremost. The Celtics have learned that the hard way, and it's high time the Lakers got a taste of it as well. Nobody stays on top forever.

    If you have to deal Kobe and don't get a hell of a deal, you'll be looking at many, many lean years ahead of you.

    You come here acting like the big bullies of the NBA, trying to get everyone to give you what you want because you're used to it. Times are changing, and we're not giving you JO for crap. So just keep walkin'.

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    One of our capologists needs to chime in here. What would we have to sign a FA next season if JO opted out?

    -Bball
    If JO opts out, how many teams will be 20 million under the cap and would sign him outright?

    Probably none. Also consider that other free agents better than JO might be opting out too.

    So nobody is lined up and 20 mill under the cap. What contenders will be 10 million under, so he can take a 10 million dollar pay cut to go to a place he likes. Yeah that will happen. Riiiiiight...

    And if the place he likes, for 10 million dollar pay cut, is not 10 million under the cap (and few will be) then it will be a sign-and-trade and we can get decent players back. Unless they convince him to take the mid-level, leaving 15 million on the table. Mmmhmmm...

    JO isn't a fool. The chance of him opting out is tiny.

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    I personally don't want Odom. He's extremely overrated by Laker fan boys. He's a career underachiever, a guy with injury and pot problems, and a guy getting paid an undeserved salary. 15/9/4 is role player production, Odom is getting paid star money.

    Bynum, Kwame, Crittenton, 2008 #1. I fhere was a way L.A. could resign a couple of their FA's to 1 guranteed year contracts, I'd try to exchange them for a bad contract as well.

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    I personally don't want Odom. He's extremely overrated by Laker fan boys. He's a career underachiever, a guy with injury and pot problems, and a guy getting paid an undeserved salary. 15/9/4 is role player production, Odom is getting paid star money.

    Bynum, Kwame, Crittenton, 2008 #1. I fhere was a way L.A. could resign a couple of their FA's to 1 guranteed year contracts, I'd try to exchange them for a bad contract as well.
    Yeah, if we were to do a deal w/o Odom, we would need everything you mentioned, plus a way to dump Murphy's salary on them as well.

    Personally, I'd rather keep JO (or deal him elsewhere) and watch the Lakers suffer.

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    People wanting to come play basketball in LA will have nothing to do with Kobe Bryant.
    Sounds about right.


    If LA is so amazing, then surely they don't need our help. I want to watch LA try to win it all with Kobe and Gasol.
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    So Laker fans think they can get Gasol without giving up Bynum and OIdom? Believe me, if that were the case it would've happened long ago.

    Laker's are up ***** creek without a paddle.

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