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    DD, I would be very happy with that move and I am ready for a new era in
    Pacer history. Trading with the Nets would be a disaster.
    If Bynum and Crittenden came on board that would be great. I am not convinced that the team could not make the playoffs in the east. The east
    is weak. The potential is so much greater also. This kind of trade would give the Pacer faithful some hope and bring interest back to Conseco.
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    The Laker deal is DOA, because the Lakers simply don't have enough quality pieces to make it work. Trade JO to NJ or whomever else and enjoy watching the Lakers implode.
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    The #1 in 2008 might be a little much but if they want to keep Odom , I'd want Crittenden and the 2008 pick . I'm not interested in Farmar, I want Crittenden . Javaras is bigger , and plays decent defense.

    Walton may be seen as filler but there are teams who really like him , he has trade value.

    If they want to keep Bynum , then I want Odom , Crittenden, and Brown's contract. Lamar Odom is very tradable.

    Unlike the Pacers . I'd take compromise package.
    LA-Pacers is the best option for both teams and should be able to be worked out. If the Pacers falter they can always go after another big next year.
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    I don't understand Bird's line of thought. What the hell is the point of just barely making the playoffs each year? The idea that anything can happen in the playoffs is complete BS! OK yes GSW beat Dallas this year, but they then got trounced by Utah. When was the last time an 8th seed ever won it all or even made it to the Finals, oh yea NY did it and they got trounced by the Spurs. We play best of 7 series in the playoffs, the better team always wins.

    This is the difference between LA and Indy. Our fans will never be satisfied with just scraping by the playoffs. We want to win it all, your either 1st or last to quote the immortal Ricky Bobby.

    I think the compromise package that Indy Dave mentioned might work. We love Walton though, so it'd be tough to see him go. He's really a solid role player kind of guy that any team could use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneofthesedays View Post
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    I agree on paper this trade is lopsided towards LA.
    First, I think you and Laker fan Smashed Potato are one and the same. You have the same style of posting which is trying to convince Pacer fans that giving up JO for little of nothing is a good deal.

    I'm thinking what you are trying to do is convince us so we will put pressure on the Pacer front office. That's really lame if true! One, you are dealing with Larry Bird a confirmed Laker hater. Two, he's only going to deal with the Laker's if he gets what he wants, a trade lopsided towards the Pacers.

    Three, this isn't a blinking contest to see who blinks first. We don't have to trade with the Laker's, whereas you are fast running out of ways to please Kobe.

    What's going to happen if you don't give us what we want is you are going to have to trade Kobe and it will be a very lopsided trade the other way. You need to face it, Kobe has put you in a very bad position, and you are going to get ripped one way or another.

    The thing is, you were offering Bynum and Odom for KG, and yes he's better than JO, but you were going to be minus third fiddle Odom in that trade and KG isn't enough better than JO to make up that difference. So whatever your Laker plans were going to be with KG you can put in place with JO.

    At this point the best thing you can do is trade for JO and Murphy. Why? Because if it satisfy s Kobe, you can still build with that team. If it doesn't satisfy Kobe you can trade him and build around JO and the pieces you will get for Kobe. Either way is better than what you have now!

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    Of course the Lakers offer of Bynum/Brown/Filler is NOT fair (You can't expect to get fair value when you trade a all-star), but I gotta think for my team future. Suffering for a few years of losing and maybe end up happy in the end.
    Teams that trade for All Star players nearly always are the winners in any trades, so your saying teams can't expect to get fair value is bogus.

    And I'm glad you said that about suffering for a few years, because that's probaby where the Lake Show is headed.

    One other thought. Your persistence is reminding me of a fellow named Earl who used to post on this board. You wouldn't perhaps be him would you?

    I'm thinking, Smashed Potato = oneofthesedays = The Showtine = Earl.
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    Do we know for a fact that adding JO would please Kobe? And what does Kobe think the Lakers should give up to get JO?

    The Bynum deal without Odom is a fine offer and we should take it. Even IF we eventually paint them into a corner and get Odom, he'd only congest the rotation when we should be developing the young players anyway... not trying to squeeze into the playoffs as the 8th seed. Why risk the Bynum deal for that?



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    The Pacers don't have to make a trade. The Lakers do.

    The Pacers put the deal on the table. If the Lakers want it, the trigger is pulled. If they don't, no sweat. We will just have to keep our All-Star PF.

    We either get Bynum & Odom or JO. We are in decent shape either way. The Lakers either get Kobe and JO or they lose them both. They are screwed if they pass.

    You tell me who as the power here.

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    Keeping JO should not be an option for this franchise because it is now a deadend. He will in almost all certainty opt out after this season and we're leaving the cupboard bare to have much to sell the fans on for the future.

    Bynum would at least give the fanbase some hope for a brighter future as we watch him (hopefully) develop along with Granger and Williams.

    We need the Lakers deal as bad as the Lakers need JO... probably worse truth be told.

    I'm someone who has always talked about 'winning now' but we're at a point where that is not a realistic option.

    I'd much rather see the young players learning and fighting their way to the 8th spot and coming up short than to see a patchwork collection with some veterans being coaxed to the 8th spot only to be dispatched in the 1st round and no hope of real improvement or a brighter future.

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    You overvalue Granger. Yes, I would move him if (a) it made sense to get Odom (a better player right now) and (b) to dump Murphy's contract. I'd keep Shawne vs. Granger, if forced to choose.

    You definitely overvalue JO. I'd be tempted to move him for picks and cap space alone just to remove his killer contract.

    Someone's power rating this week had Pacers ranked #30. Out of 30 teams. The Pacers, as they stand now, are going nowhere, effectively "destroyed" already.
    I agree. I hear all this talk about Granger on the defensive end of the court, and everytime I look at Danny he looks lost when trying to contain someone. It's a mold we're trying to force feed him into. He's not a stopper yet. Danny's a nice up and coming player, but I don't know if I would say he's untouchable.
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    Trading with the Nets would be a disaster.
    WHY?

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    Keeping JO should not be an option for this franchise because it is now a deadend. He will in almost all certainty opt out after this season and we're leaving the cupboard bare to have much to sell the fans on for the future.

    Bynum would at least give the fanbase some hope for a brighter future as we watch him (hopefully) develop along with Granger and Williams.

    We need the Lakers deal as bad as the Lakers need JO... probably worse truth be told.

    I'm someone who has always talked about 'winning now' but we're at a point where that is not a realistic option.

    I'd much rather see the young players learning and fighting their way to the 8th spot and coming up short than to see a patchwork collection with some veterans being coaxed to the 8th spot only to be dispatched in the 1st round and no hope of real improvement or a brighter future.

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    Then he leaves $20 million on the table (which he won't do) and we go shopping.

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    JO is going to opt out next season and if you don't trade him now you'll get next to nothing for him next year. Your just as desperate as we are, unless Indy fans are OK with mediocrity. Keeping JO on your squad only delays the inevitable, and when he opts out you will be in a far worse position then if you had traded with us.

    Your best offer right now is the one we are giving you. You'll get a lot of young talent that can develop together with their new coach. In a couple of years if these players pan out then you'll be ready to make some noise in the East. In the end, I think your management will see this and relent on their Odom demands.

    Bynum+Kwame+Crittenton/Farmar+Luke S&T is not a bad deal at all for JO. It's probably the best you'll get to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybegood View Post
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    WHY?
    It doesn't make us a better team in the short or long term.

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    JO is going to opt out next season and if you don't trade him now you'll get next to nothing for him next year. Your just as desperate as we are, unless Indy fans are OK with mediocrity. Keeping JO on your squad only delays the inevitable, and when he opts out you will be in a far worse position then if you had traded with us.

    Your best offer right now is the one we are giving you. You'll get a lot of young talent that can develop together with their new coach. In a couple of years if these players pan out then you'll be ready to make some noise in the East. In the end, I think your management will see this and relent on their Odom demands.

    Bynum+Kwame+Crittenton/Farmar+Luke S&T is not a bad deal at all for JO. It's probably the best you'll get to be honest.
    First of all, he isn't opting out. When is the last time a player left $20 million on the table?

    Secondly, we'd be better off letting him leave if all the Lakers are going to give us is garbage.

    Third, JO won't have any interest in going to the Lakers if Kobe has already gone postal (due to the Lakers doing nothing in the offseason again) and is no longer a Laker.

    Finally, the fact that Lakers fans are flocking to a Pacers forum practically begging us to take crap for JO proves just how desperate your fans are.

    If this is going to work, a third team is going to have to get involved.

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    Another Laker fan here coming out of the woods. I have been lurking for a few days now and recently decided to join. I was reluctant to post up until these two other Laker fans posting have begun to look like fools. I don't know if they are even real fans or just 12yr old kids trying to **** you guys off. I would like to let you know that not all us Laker fans are like them. Please pay no attention to them. Most of us would like to make a deal that is fair for both teams as that is the only way a deal can be made. I really hope we can work something out that will benefit both of us. DD has had the most realistic comprimise I have read so far on this site. Another trade would be Odom, Kwame and maybe Farmar for just JO or JO and a bad contract.

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    Another Laker fan here coming out of the woods. I have been lurking for a few days now and recently decided to join. I was reluctant to post up until these two other Laker fans posting have begun to look like fools. I don't know if they are even real fans or just 12yr old kids trying to **** you guys off. I would like to let you know that not all us Laker fans are like them. Please pay no attention to them. Most of us would like to make a deal that is fair for both teams as that is the only way a deal can be made. I really hope we can work something out that will benefit both of us. DD has had the most realistic comprimise I have read so far on this site. Another trade would be Odom, Kwame and maybe Farmar for just JO or JO and a bad contract.
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    LOL trust me we are not all one and the same. The consensus opinion amongst 99% of us Laker fans is that LO+AB is overpaying. If the Pacers don't want to compromise then fine, we'll just look elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneofthesedays View Post
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    LOL trust me we are not all one and the same. The consensus opinion amongst 99% of us Laker fans is that LO+AB is overpaying. If the Pacers don't want to compromise then fine, we'll just look elsewhere.
    Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneofthesedays View Post
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    LOL trust me we are not all one and the same. The consensus opinion amongst 99% of us Laker fans is that LO+AB is overpaying. If the Pacers don't want to compromise then fine, we'll just look elsewhere.
    Sure you are! Different people have different posting styles, and use different words. You guys are all just alike. Meaning you keep saying the same things in the same style and the same words over and over.

    Then your persistence reminds me of a one time poster on here we call Earl.

    I figure you are set up to use several computers at the same time.
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    Smashed Potato = oneofthesedays = The Showtine = Bynum Brigade = Earl.
    I ain't any of those other guys. So please stop insulting me. I am not dumb enough to say stuff like "the Pacers are ok with losing but not L.A." or many of the other stupid things these guys have said. These other guys should just keep there mouth shut because they no nothing about negotiating with out making it personel. Especialy the guy who has posted the most in this thread.

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    So please stop insulting me.


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    YES. .I Don't want none of those Lakers players

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    In all honesty I think both of our teams are desperate right now. Neither of us are going anywhere with our current rosters and we both need a shakeup big-time. You can deny that all you want, but keep JO and watch yourselves not make the playoffs again. Watch him opt out and leave you with nothing. Watch Bynum pan out to be a good center in the next couple of years.

    Your team will be completely talentless once JO walks out, and you will no doubt have to rebuild from lottery picks. If you thought your team was bad, wait until JO opts out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneofthesedays View Post
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    In all honesty I think both of our teams are desperate right now. Neither of us are going anywhere with our current rosters and we both need a shakeup big-time. You can deny that all you want, but keep JO and watch yourselves not make the playoffs again. Watch him opt out and leave you with nothing. Watch Bynum pan out to be a good center in the next couple of years.

    Your team will be completely talentless once JO walks out, and you will no doubt have to rebuild from lottery picks. If you thought your team was bad, wait until JO opts out.
    - JO won't opt out
    - If he does, $20 million buys a lot more talent than the Lakers are trying to give us

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