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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • Re: STANKO!

    LOL at MR. Well done sir.

    Not the "pic" of '07 though.
    That distinction belongs to Dunleavy riding a camel in the Milky Way, also a MR creation.
    Don't thank me, I'll kill ya.

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    • Re: STANKO!

      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
      Bird man said Stank is 7' 2". If he can put on another 30lbs...which for a young big man may happen in a couple years, we might come out of this smelling like a rose.
      JO put on forty pounds to bulk up when Brad Miller left. And in hindsight, we all wish he hadn't.
      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
      And life itself, rushing over me
      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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      • Re: STANKO!

        Oh my God.



        That's... that just might be your best ever.

        Wow.
        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
        And life itself, rushing over me
        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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        • Re: STANKO!

          I think this thread is already a lock for thread of the year.

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          • Re: STANKO!

            I thought JO would be the one with the dress.

            If only Peck could photoshop...
            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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            • Re: STANKO!

              Another perfectly good thread derailed by juvenile humor. I don't stand for this.
              Narf!

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              • Re: STANKO!

                Did jermaine really put on 40 pounds...can u please show me some info to back up this claim...im not tryin to question you but for personal use i wanna see if this is how much he gained...jermaine used to have garnett like quickness..now he is slow like eddy curry without the mass to actually muscle his way thru

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                • Re: STANKO!

                  Originally posted by Robobtowncolt View Post
                  Another perfectly good thread derailed by juvenile humor. I don't stand for this.
                  It's hard for us to be deep thinkers all of the time.

                  The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                  • Re: STANKO!

                    JO's bio at basketballreference.com and RealGM still list him at his Blazers' height and weight of 6'11" and 226 lbs but he was closer to 6'11"/ 220 pounds when the Pacers traded for him. He's currently listed at 6'11" and 260 pounds, although a couple of seasons ago he was listed at 7'0"/ 255 pounds.
                    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                    And life itself, rushing over me
                    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                    • Re: STANKO!

                      I thought he dropped from 260 back to the 240s.

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                      • Re: STANKO!

                        Still listed at 255. I don't know. His shoulders and trunk still look much bigger than they did when he was 220 pounds.

                        Here is a five year old picture of JO and Reggie.
                        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                        And life itself, rushing over me
                        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                        • Re: STANKO!

                          According to our good buddy the Internet Wayback Machine and Sports Illustrated.com, here are Jermaine's listed height and weight...

                          10/2000: 6'11" 248 lb.
                          09/2001: 6'11" 230 lb.
                          10/2002: 6'11" 242 lb.
                          10/2003: 6'11" 242 lb.
                          12/2004: 6'11" 242 lb.
                          12/2005: 6'11" 260 lb.
                          09/2006: 6'11" 260 lb.
                          03/2007: 6'11" 260 lb.

                          He's been listed at 6'11" his entire NBA career. I do recall a few years back him saying he was actually 7', but he's never been officially listed as such.

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                          • Re: STANKO!

                            Originally posted by Y2J View Post
                            He's been listed at 6'11" his entire NBA career. I do recall a few years back him saying he was actually 7', but he's never been officially listed as such.
                            If he was listed at 7' people would expect him to play center.....
                            PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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                            • Re: STANKO!

                              I really had to dig around to find this, the search function on Pacers.com is awful.

                              http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/camp_oneal_041005.html

                              O’Neal Believes Bigger Will Mean Better in ’04-05

                              By Conrad Brunner


                              Oct. 5, 2004

                              After his first summer without international competition in four years, Jermaine O’Neal is bigger, stronger, fresher and healthier than he's been since joining the Pacers.


                              Considering what he’s been able to accomplish under less inviting circumstances in the past three seasons, it could mean bad news for the rest of the Eastern Conference.

                              “I think the rest this summer is going to give me the opportunity to accomplish anything I want to accomplish,” O’Neal said. “I feel great. I’m not sitting down with the team and saying, ‘My back is hurting, so I’m going to have to crawl my way through training camp.’ I’m happy. I’m definitely stronger. And I still feel like I’m quicker. My legs are under me right now.

                              “It’s a big year for us. You can’t win 61 games, go to the Eastern Conference Finals, and have a dropoff. I’ve got to come in and play at a high level. … I feel better for my chances to play at a high level this year, at an MVP level and also a championship level.”

                              O’Neal reported to camp weighing 260 pounds, more the result of heavy lifting in the weight room than any relative lack of activity in the offseason. The hyperextended left knee he suffered in the Eastern Conference Finals wasn’t fully healed until August, when he was cleared to return to the court. Not long after that, scrimmaging with Reggie Miller and Austin Croshere in the Los Angeles area, he suffered a foot injury that put him in an air cast for a few weeks.

                              But that was just a minor malady and he was at Finish Line Practice Court Tuesday morning for the first practice of training camp.


                              “Jermaine’s situation is unusual,” said Coach Rick Carlisle. He’s one guy who needed to have a lighter workload for a summer. He’s really played three straight years of rigorous international play and NBA seasons sandwiched in between, which is very difficult. I know he feels recharged, refreshed. He’s got a couple of little dings, but he’ll work hard to get through those. It’s a new beginning for him.”

                              A strong commitment to USA Basketball has contributed to O’Neal’s wear and tear. He represented the United States in the 2001 Goodwill Games, the 2002 World Basketball Championship and the 2003 Tournament of the Americas Olympic qualifier. The knee injury prevented him from competing in the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, but it could allow O’Neal to take his NBA game to new levels.

                              Even with the busy schedule and the variety of nagging health problems, O’Neal averaged 20.0 points, 10.3 rebounds and 2.39 blocked shots in the past three seasons combined, establishing himself as one of the pre-eminent low-post players in the league. Is there still another level to his game?

                              “My body’s been a real issue coming into the last couple of seasons, and I’ve actually had a chance to get strong and concentrate on a lot of things that I needed to,” O’Neal said. “It’s going to help me. I’m very excited about our chances this year. We’re not even looking at getting into the championships, we’re looking at winning. That’s our goal. We as a team are very experienced right now. We’ve been through pains the last four years, and now, we’ve got to feel that it’s our time.

                              “Obviously, Miami has Shaq, and he’s the most dominant player in the game, but we have a better team - a team more seasoned to win more championships. It’s not about the best individual players; it’s about the best team. We want to be in that position this year.”

                              O’Neal bulked up two years ago, reporting to camp weighing 250, but enjoyed mixed results. He had trouble maintaining the weight throughout the season and ultimately returned to his norm of 242. This time, with a personal chef on his staff and a renewed commitment to weight training, O’Neal expects the extra strength to not only help his game, but enable him to be stronger late in the year.

                              “I’ve trained myself this summer,” he said. “Even though I haven’t been able to do a lot of court work I’ve done a lot of training, weight-wise. I’m a lot stronger, I’m a lot heavier than I’ve ever been in my career. I feel good about my size, my ability and my durability.”



                              “When you see him, it’s obvious that he’s put on a lot more bulk,” said Reggie Miller. “He’s really been in the weight room and, if anything, that’s going to be a key for him staying healthy: staying in the weight room and conditioning, as well as bulking up his body.”

                              O’Neal plans to carefully monitor the progress of his foot injury early in camp to see how it responds to the practices. He hinted he might sit out the first two or three preseason games but just as a precaution. “I don’t really want to push it too hard,” he said, “because I don’t want to miss any regular season games.”
                              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                              And life itself, rushing over me
                              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                              • Re: STANKO!

                                And this...

                                (I apologize for the first half of the page. Just skip down to the bottom and avoid anything said by the raving lunatic about Dennis Rodman.)

                                http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/camp_notes_041004.html

                                Carlisle Impressed By Offseason Results

                                Several players reported on Monday looking substantially different than last season.


                                O’Neal weighed in at 260, nearly 20 pounds above last season’s playing weight, the result of heavy lifting throughout the summer. Jonathan Bender reported at a career-high 236. Jamaal Tinsley dropped to 185. Scot Pollard has dropped weight, while Austin Croshere has bulked up.

                                “Jermaine has gotten stronger. You’re going to notice a difference,” Coach Rick Carlisle said. “Scot Pollard has trimmed down, Croshere has had a great summer of building strength and endurance. Tinsley’s in the mid-180s. These guys haven’t taken the summer off. They’ve worked and it’s been productive and all those things are important headed into camp.” O’Neal, who suffered a hyperextended left knee during the Eastern Conference Finals, wasn’t cleared to play basketball until Aug. 1. Shortly thereafter, he suffered a foot injury working out in California with Croshere and Reggie Miller. But he is fully healed from both maladies and expects to be on the floor for the first practice of camp Tuesday morning.
                                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                                And life itself, rushing over me
                                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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