First of all, EXCELLENT post, Jay. I think some of you might want to re-read it. He covered everything that has been mentioned to this point in a succinct, objective and to the point way. Too many have the "he's paid too much blinders on" and can't see anything else.
Now as to the original question. like I said, and has been said by other's, it's all relative to team needs.
I gave the Houston scenario, which is plausible. It's concievable that Luther Head could be part of the deal. We could use him.
Look at Philly. Look at the discontent all season with Dalembert by Philly fans and his high salary. (Another player judged by his salary.) Another plausibility. We coiuld us him.
I could go on ad nauseum, but hopefully you get my point.
It's almost impossible to answer your question because there are literally thousands of possible trades scenarios that could make it a great deal for both guys. What you seem to be implying is "What could we get for Troy in a one for one trade"? We get your point. He's paid too much. HArd to get good one on one value. But once agin, I refer you to some of the very well made posts saying why that may not be that big of a deal and how value is relative.
So to answer your question. it could be ANYONE given the scenario.
[So yes, he can be tradable and yes, for my money, you are highly subjective on a player who, objectively, has had to fight through multiple injuries, multiple coaches and multiple systems you simply right him off as not being a viable part of our future. Closed minded, from where I sit. For the zillionth time, i refere you to some of the above posts, which you've yet to adress as to WHY Troy's game is where it is.]
Last edited by Skaut_Ech; 06-26-2007 at 12:14 PM.
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If anything...he's gonna be a supporting role-player ( overpaid as it is ) for whatever young core of players that we have in the future.
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the best hope we can have is that within o'brien's system he can excel leading us to either decide he is worth the cost or give us teams that would be interested in taking him off our hands.
This is the darkest timeline.
Team Player FGA Blk'd Blk%
ATL Pachulia 386 51 13.2%
PHI Salmons 289 37 12.8%
NJN Krstic 455 56 12.3%
ATL Williams 244 30 12.3%
POR Patterson 298 34 11.4%
HOU Swift 255 28 11.0%
MEM Wright 246 27 11.0%
ORL Howard 455 49 10.8%
BOS Jefferson 307 33 10.7%
SAC Abdur-Rahim 365 39 10.7%
This obviously wasn't for last season (Swift, Ruben Patterson, maybe others were on different teams)
Sure, Murphy is overpaid. It's not his fault and it doesn't do any good to keep harping on it. Every team has a bad contract or two and some teams have several.
He's had a half season with us playing under a coach-by-numbers guy. Granted, he didn't look all that great. However, with a new coach, I'm looking at the glass as half full. He's not as worthless as you keep trying to make him seem.
I can see him excelling in a particular role coming off the bench for 20 mpg or so or playing more minutes playing match-up with a particular team.
Some posters have portrayed Murph in depth and I feel he is not the albatross that you do.
Thanks for the link.
Jermaine himself is linked in the description at the top, and if I'm reading it right, his blocked percentage is 7%. 11% inside, 6% on jumpers, and since he shoots twice as many jumpers as inside shots, it comes out as 7%.
IOW, since his offensive game has moved away from the basket, his blocked percentage has gone down. Too bad his FG% has, too.
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I'm not sure I understand their criteria. What's the difference between "close" and "inside"?
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I applaud Skaut and Jay's posts and I'm surprised at how they're being ignored.
I pretty much always agree with Skaut, but I always hate to say so since it makes his head get big.
I'm not. I'm certainly not a huge fan of Murphy and I never want to see him matched up against Rasheed Wallace again. My eyes have scars.
But the over-the-top bashing (believe me, I'm all-for being critical of the players and management when it is reasonable to do so) is just blowing my mind.
I can think of plenty of reasonable, critical things to say about all of players and management, and I can think of plenty of reasonable, complimentary things to say about all of our players and management (except Foster, of course).
But the summer "silly season" - especially at the end of a very frustrating season highlighted by the Pacers trading chemistry problems for overpaid but ordinary players - is getting absurd.
Next thing you know, UncleBuck will totally undermine his forum MVP award and say something utterly silly like, "I wonder if any team in the NBA wants JO?". Give me a break. Every team in the league wants JO. Now, they may not be willing to give up what it takes, or they may not even have what it takes, but this is laughable.
I'm quite certain of one thing, there's one team in the NBA that wants Jermaine O'Neal badly enough that they're not going to take a low-ball offer to give up thier best player.
I certainly understand being cranky about this team. I've said this before but my Dad always teases me and says, "You're only happy about the Pacers when you're not happy about the Pacers." But good gracious, have a little balance, people...
Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you
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