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    Writing the title of this thread was a little tricky.

    There might not be anything else so many of us can agree on, except we are glad Dick Harter is back. I didn't know he scouted some games for the Pacers last season. I'm just so excited that we'll have a team defensive approach, but this past season was anything but


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    Harter ready to go back to work with Pacers
    By Mark Montieth
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    June 6, 2007


    Two years. Dick Harter still finds it difficult to believe it has been that long since he had a coaching job.

    He had drawn a paycheck for coaching basketball for 50 winters, from the time he got his first job at Germantown (Pa.) Academy in 1955 until he was shooed out the door in 2005 with the rest of Jim O'Brien's staff after one winning season with the Philadelphia 76ers.

    Now, assuming the details of a contract can be agreed upon, Harter will return to Indianapolis to help work with a defense in need of improvement. Reached by telephone at his home in Hilton Head, S.C., the 76-year-old coaching purist couldn't wait to get started again.

    "I'm so excited about going to see Butler games again," he said.
    Harter will know the way to Hinkle Fieldhouse. He was an assistant to Jack Ramsay when he coached the Pacers from 1986-88, and an assistant to Larry Bird when he coached them from 1997-2000. He later assisted O'Brien in Boston and Philadelphia.

    He's ready. All those golf lessons weren't helping his game much, and watching games on television was no substitute for sitting on a bench. He got a foot back in the game last season when he scouted 38 NBA games for the Pacers and wrote reports on various players.

    "That made it somewhat livable, but you miss being on the bench and you miss being with a team," he said.

    Harter's role with O'Brien won't be the same as with Bird, under whom he had sole charge of the defense. O'Brien, veteran of 30 seasons of coaching, takes a more hands-on approach, but he still considers Harter a mentor and sounding board.

    "Dick has a tremendous way of keeping you focused on what you're trying to accomplish defensively," O'Brien said.

    "But to limit his impact just to that I don't think is doing him justice. He has great relationships with the players and has a way of keeping them zeroed in on what we're trying to accomplish."

    O'Brien and Harter trace their basketball roots to Philadelphia, and share similar philosophies about style of play and work ethic. Both advocate a strict, aggressive man-to-man defense and consider that the foundation of winning.

    "We don't argue on what you should do," Harter said. "You've got to be disciplined and you've got to be tough."

    Bird expects Harter to bring those elements, along with stability, to a defense that has operated under three assistants in the past three seasons: Chuck Person, Kevin O'Neill and Mike Brown.

    "I think we can be a lot better," said Bird, who emphasized he has not yet reached an agreement with Harter. "(Harter's) defense is predicated on the fact it's a team defense. If you get beat at the point guard position, you have help. It's not a confusing defense, but all the parts have to be moving at the same time."

    Harter's defense set franchise lows in points allowed (89.9), field goal percentage allowed (43.2) and 3-point percentage allowed (31.6) in the 1997-98 season.

    "Those guys tried like (heck)," Harter recalled. "They might not have had quick feet, but they had good heads and good hearts."

    The defensive 3-point percentage record still stands, a testament to Harter's emphasis on challenging perimeter shots. The points-allowed record was broken and the field goal percentage was tied by a more athletic 2003-04 team, led by Defensive Player of the Year Ron Artest.

    Pacers' opponents averaged 98 points per game last season while shooting .457 from the field and .372 from the 3-point line.

    A return to basics would be welcomed.



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    The Pacers' Dick Harter-led defense in 1997-98 set team records in three categories. Compare that with last year's numbers:

    1997-98 Stat 2006-07
    89.9 Points allowed 98
    43.2 FG % allowed 45.7
    31.6 3-pt. FG % allowed 37.2

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    Default Re: Something we all can agree on, we all love Dick Harter

    I like the Jack Ramsey connection that has taken place also. Good root system for this coaching staff.
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    Default Re: Something we all can agree on, we all love Dick Harter

    Shouldn't this thread be in DSP? I'm afraid what Skaut will post when he sees it.
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    Yeah, I read the title and I resisted posting this for a long time, but I keep reading it and I can resist no longer:

    THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
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    Default Re: Something we all can agree on, we all love Dick Harter

    Harter is one of the best defensive minds of the game, no question about it. As UB says that does seem to be the one thing that Pacer fans tend to agree on. He was, after all, on LB's coaching staff the year we made it to the finals.

    The one thing I question is the foresight possessed by his parents when they named him.

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    Speak for yourself, UB.
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    .............................I'm sorry, but you can't do this.
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    Default Re: Something we all can agree on, we all love Dick Harter

    He always left me satisfied.

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    Cleveland would probably love to have Dick Harter, since their shot **** isn't working properly.
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    Default Re: Something we all can agree on, we all love Dick Harter

    It's a situation where you are happy when he's on YOUR team, but not necessarily when he's coaching the other team. In other words....

    I love it when it's MY Dick Harter. Not so much when it's YOUR Dick Harter

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    It's a situation where you are happy when he's on YOUR team, but not necessarily when he's coaching the other team. In other words....

    I love it when it's MY Dick Harter. Not so much when it's YOUR Dick Harter


    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    I'm sure Stephen Jackson loves Dick Harter.
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    I'm sure Stephen Jackson loves Dick Harter.


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    Default Re: Something we all can agree on, we all love Dick Harter

    I'm sorry - I just can't answer this one with a straight face.
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    Thirteen replies. Only one without reference to Mr. Harter's unfortunate name. We're awesome.

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    Maybe Eli Lilly can team up with Mr. Harter in promos for Cialis.

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    Dick Harter excites me for sure. How come he's never been given a head coaching job? Is he simply not interested? I remember TNT mentioned this a few years back but I don't remember what was said. Sager's suit probably blinded me.
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    Default Re: Something we all can agree on, we all love Dick Harter

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    Dick Harter excites me for sure. How come he's never been given a head coaching job? Is he simply not interested? I remember TNT mentioned this a few years back but I don't remember what was said. Sager's suit probably blinded me.

    Harter was head coach of the Hornets from 88-90.

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    Dick Harter excites me for sure.
    Hmmm...

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    THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!

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    I dunno, it seems to me like Dick Harter has never been ready for a head job in coaching, which is curious because you think someone like Dick Harter would be great as any level of coach.

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    Okay, back on subject. Here's my question. If he wasn't retired, why the ****ing hell didn't we hire him to replace Kevin O'Neill? Seriously?!!! Obviously he and Rick got along, since I believe Rick's the one who got Larry to hire the both of them after Portland. Why do you hire this guy to be a scout instead of putting him on the bench where he belongs? Did Larry **** up the scouting department so bad he needed Dick to pinch hit for him?
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    Okay, back on subject. Here's my question. If he wasn't retired, why the ****ing hell didn't we hire him to replace Kevin O'Neill? Seriously?!!! Obviously he and Rick got along, since I believe Rick's the one who got Larry to hire the both of them after Portland. Why do you hire this guy to be a scout instead of putting him on the bench where he belongs? Did Larry **** up the scouting department so bad he needed Dick to pinch hit for him?
    Maybe the Simons and/or Walsh wanted to be loyal to Chuck and the role they carved out for him to move up the coaching ladder left no spot for Dick Harter?

    I cannot bring myself to believe Bird had any call on Chuck Person being hired as the defensive coach. I can believe Walsh, the Simons, or both would tho.

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    Hmmm...
    Between this and the I Like Boobie thread, I'm just not sure what to say anymore...
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    I think I'm about to die laughing.

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    I'm sure Stephen Jackson loves Dick Harter.
    The guy in your avatar...

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