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    Los Angeles Lakers


    Incoming Players

    Ray Allen
    Salary: $14,611,570 Years Remaining: 4
    PTS: 26.4 REB: 4.5 AST: 4.1 PER: 21.70

    Mouhamed Sene
    Salary: $1,958,640 Years Remaining: 2
    PTS: 1.9 REB: 1.6 AST: 0.0 PER: 8.47

    Luke Ridnour
    Salary: $2,425,878 Years Remaining: 4
    PTS: 11.0 REB: 2.3 AST: 5.2 PER: 13.74

    2007 1st round 2nd pick

    Outgoing Players: Kobe Bryant


    Seattle SuperSonics


    Incoming Players

    Kobe Bryant
    Salary: $17,718,750 Years Remaining: 4
    PTS: 31.6 REB: 5.7 AST: 5.4 PER: 26.13
    No-Trade Clause Cannot trade this player without receiving his consent. Only a player with at least 8 years of NBA experience, including at least 4 years with the team he is signing with, is eligible to negotiate a no-trade clause into his contract.


    I would do it if I were both teams.
    LA
    Ridour
    Allen
    Durant
    Odom
    Bynum

    Seattle
    Watson/signed PG(Mo Williams?)
    Kobe
    Lewis
    Wilcox
    Collison

    LA would have Sene and Bynum to trade for more picks or youth,

    Seattle would have to primary scorers. MAy not need to send Sene to make this deal work.

    Would you do it if you were both teams?

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    Default Re: Kobe to Seattle?

    Yes if I was LA. No if I was SEA. Kobe is good, but Durant has so much upside. Plus you're giving up an all-star shooting guard and a starting point guard.

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    How about to Atlanta... might be a bit much to a Hawks fan's eyes, but to a prospective Hawks owner, it fills the seats.


    Atlanta Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    25.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 41.4 minutes
    Marvin Williams
    6-8 SF from North Carolina
    13.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.8 minutes
    Solomon Jones
    6-10 PF from South Florida
    3.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #03 Pick (Conley, Brewer, or Horford?)
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Incoming
    Kobe Bryant
    6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
    31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
    Jordan Farmar
    6-2 PG from UCLA
    4.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 15.2 minutes
    Change in team outlook: -5.3 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


    L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Kobe Bryant
    6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
    31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
    Jordan Farmar
    6-2 PG from UCLA
    4.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 15.2 minutes
    Incoming
    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    25.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 41.4 minutes
    Marvin Williams
    6-8 SF from North Carolina
    13.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.8 minutes
    Solomon Jones
    6-10 PF from South Florida
    3.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #03 Pick (Conley, Brewer, or Horford?)
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Change in team outlook: +5.3 ppg, +4.4 rpg, and -0.9 apg.



    Successful Scenario
    Due to L.A. Lakers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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    Default Re: Kobe to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by kybjones View Post
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    How about to Atlanta... might be a bit much to a Hawks fan's eyes, but to a prospective Hawks owner, it fills the seats.


    Atlanta Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    25.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 41.4 minutes
    Marvin Williams
    6-8 SF from North Carolina
    13.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.8 minutes
    Solomon Jones
    6-10 PF from South Florida
    3.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #03 Pick (Conley, Brewer, or Horford?)
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Incoming
    Kobe Bryant
    6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
    31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
    Jordan Farmar
    6-2 PG from UCLA
    4.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 15.2 minutes
    Change in team outlook: -5.3 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


    L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Kobe Bryant
    6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
    31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
    Jordan Farmar
    6-2 PG from UCLA
    4.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 15.2 minutes
    Incoming
    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    25.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 41.4 minutes
    Marvin Williams
    6-8 SF from North Carolina
    13.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.8 minutes
    Solomon Jones
    6-10 PF from South Florida
    3.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #03 Pick (Conley, Brewer, or Horford?)
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Change in team outlook: +5.3 ppg, +4.4 rpg, and -0.9 apg.



    Successful Scenario
    Due to L.A. Lakers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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    Default Re: Kobe to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by HeartlandFan View Post
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    Yes if I was LA. No if I was SEA. Kobe is good, but Durant has so much upside. Plus you're giving up an all-star shooting guard and a starting point guard.

    Upside
    Durant could be the next Kobe, or the next Bender. There is no certainity with him. If Seattle does not trade the pick and resigns Lewis. They still have not solved the problem of their front court. And front court help is even more desirable with ODen and Ming in their conference. If sign and trade Lewis for front court help, then I could see Seattle becoming contenders. Ray Allen is not getting any younger so they have a 3 year window with him. Wilcox is a decent PF but they need a post player. What to do?

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    Upside

    Durant could be the next Kobe, or the next Bender. There is no certainity with him. If Seattle does not trade the pick and resigns Lewis. They still have not solved the problem of their front court. And front court help is even more desirable with ODen and Ming in their conference. If sign and trade Lewis for front court help, then I could see Seattle becoming contenders. Ray Allen is not getting any younger so they have a 3 year window with him. Wilcox is a decent PF but they need a post player. What to do?
    you're saying to S&T lewis to get frontcourt help AFTER the Kobe deal but why not skip the Kobe deal and S&T Lewis and Ridenour for the frontcourt help? you're talking about the short window with allen but if you S&T for frontcourt offense then the obvious goal is to capitalize on Ray's last couple of years. to me it would be a lateral move (other than ticket sales i suppose) to get kobe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
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    you're saying to S&T lewis to get frontcourt help AFTER the Kobe deal but why not skip the Kobe deal and S&T Lewis and Ridenour for the frontcourt help? you're talking about the short window with allen but if you S&T for frontcourt offense then the obvious goal is to capitalize on Ray's last couple of years. to me it would be a lateral move (other than ticket sales i suppose) to get kobe.
    actually I am not saying sign and trade after the Kobe deal. I think Lewis and Kobe would be very competitive in the West. They still would be missing one contributor to be a fav in the WEst. Kobe has a 4 year deal anyway. He is better than Allen and younger. No way is that a lateral move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intridcold View Post
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    actually I am not saying sign and trade after the Kobe deal. I think Lewis and Kobe would be very competitive in the West. They still would be missing one contributor to be a fav in the WEst. Kobe has a 4 year deal anyway. He is better than Allen and younger. No way is that a lateral move.
    well then your initial argument makes no sense. you said

    They still have not solved the problem of their front court.
    and then your solution for the front court problem after trading away Sene and PF in Durant...

    sign and trade Lewis for front court help, then I could see Seattle becoming contenders.
    but you're still going to have the exact same problem trading for kobe ESPECIALLY if you're trading away durant and sene. if you're not convinced durant is the answer, trade him and Sene away (or similar player) for the frontcourt help to play with allen. otherwise you'll have kobe but no allen, durant or sene and still a gaping hole in the frontcourt.
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    I'd say the trade is;

    Seattle gets:
    -Kobe Bryant
    -Brian Cook
    -Lakers 1st Round Pick

    Lakers get:
    -Ray Allen
    -Earl Watson
    -Seattle's Number 2 Pick

    Some will ask, "why does LA give up their pick?" But I don't think Seattle will do this trade without requiring a pick. There is no way they make the mistake of *cough cough* not having a pick in arguably the deepest draft.

    But thats my gut feeling...
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    Quote Originally Posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
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    well then your initial argument makes no sense. you said



    and then your solution for the front court problem after trading away Sene and PF in Durant...



    but you're still going to have the exact same problem trading for kobe ESPECIALLY if you're trading away durant and sene. if you're not convinced durant is the answer, trade him and Sene away (or similar player) for the frontcourt help to play with allen. otherwise you'll have kobe but no allen, durant or sene and still a gaping hole in the frontcourt.

    I can see where what I said may appear to be contradicting. But I am confident that the talent of Kobe and Lewis versus Allen and Lewis is more likely to over shadow deficencies in Seattle's front court. And Kobe would attract more front court players than Allen would. But I agree with you that trading for Kobe does not directly solve the front court issues. But would getting Kobe draw more intrest from players like.

    Antonio McDyess
    Matt Barnes
    Chuck Hayes
    Mikki Moore
    Darko
    Joe Smith
    Kurt Thomas
    Magloire
    Melvin Ely

    Now that list is not overly impressive. It may not be an improvment to what they got. But a few could help particularly Barnes, Hayes, Darko, Smith, Thomas, and Dyess.

    But since Kobe has the power to veto he may not want to go to Seattle because of their front court scenario. So would the Bulls be any better? They have no interior post player. Knicks? The best scenario if Curry stays.

    This is ridiculous any way cause JO is going to the Lakers so lets just burn this thread and bury under the rest of frivulous trades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kybjones View Post
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    How about to Atlanta... might be a bit much to a Hawks fan's eyes, but to a prospective Hawks owner, it fills the seats.


    Atlanta Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    25.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 41.4 minutes
    Marvin Williams
    6-8 SF from North Carolina
    13.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.8 minutes
    Solomon Jones
    6-10 PF from South Florida
    3.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #03 Pick (Conley, Brewer, or Horford?)
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Incoming
    Kobe Bryant
    6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
    31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
    Jordan Farmar
    6-2 PG from UCLA
    4.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 15.2 minutes
    Change in team outlook: -5.3 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


    L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Kobe Bryant
    6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
    31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
    Jordan Farmar
    6-2 PG from UCLA
    4.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 15.2 minutes
    Incoming
    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    25.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 41.4 minutes
    Marvin Williams
    6-8 SF from North Carolina
    13.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.8 minutes
    Solomon Jones
    6-10 PF from South Florida
    3.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #03 Pick (Conley, Brewer, or Horford?)
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Change in team outlook: +5.3 ppg, +4.4 rpg, and -0.9 apg.



    Successful Scenario
    Due to L.A. Lakers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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    Heck no if I'm the Hawks.
    Something very, very close to this got noted on ESPN.com today as being the "3rd most likely Kobe trade scenario" so I must not have been THAT far off VBG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kybjones View Post
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    How about to Atlanta... might be a bit much to a Hawks fan's eyes, but to a prospective Hawks owner, it fills the seats.


    Atlanta Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    25.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 41.4 minutes
    Marvin Williams
    6-8 SF from North Carolina
    13.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.8 minutes
    Solomon Jones
    6-10 PF from South Florida
    3.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #03 Pick (Conley, Brewer, or Horford?)
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Incoming
    Kobe Bryant
    6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
    31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
    Jordan Farmar
    6-2 PG from UCLA
    4.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 15.2 minutes
    Change in team outlook: -5.3 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


    L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Kobe Bryant
    6-6 SG from Lower Merion (HS)
    31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg in 40.8 minutes
    Jordan Farmar
    6-2 PG from UCLA
    4.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 15.2 minutes
    Incoming
    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    25.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 41.4 minutes
    Marvin Williams
    6-8 SF from North Carolina
    13.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 33.8 minutes
    Solomon Jones
    6-10 PF from South Florida
    3.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #03 Pick (Conley, Brewer, or Horford?)
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Change in team outlook: +5.3 ppg, +4.4 rpg, and -0.9 apg.



    Successful Scenario
    Due to L.A. Lakers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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