Announcement

Collapse

The Rules of Pacers Digest

Hello everyone,

Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
See more
See less

Jim O'Brien is new head coach

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

    I don't get it. People wanted Carlisle fired no matter what, but now some of you are upset because we didn't get the next Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, or Greg Popovich... whoever that was supposed to be. There wasn't another candidate that had proven much more than O'Brien as a head coach. So this decision makes a lot of sense. It's not time for a rookie coach, because we have too many players that need an experienced coach. The common sense decision would be to hire someone with experience. O'Brien is a DAMN good hire.

    Comment


    • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
      No I was referring to Kegboy about if this doesn't pan out, then it should be Larry's head.

      It's just another example of how Larry's "moves" are stupid, while Donnie gets the credit for good ones.
      Then just disregard my earlier post.
      I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

      Comment


      • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
        AGAIN, why in the freaking world is this Larry's hire? I've seen many quotes from Donnie talking about the process.

        Some things just remain constant, overreactions saying this team is going to the ****ter, and all bad things are Larry's fault.
        For what it's worth, I see it too, S86.

        Comment


        • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

          PRESS CONFERNCE ON PACERS.COM GO NOW
          R.I.P. Bernic Mac & Isaac Hayes

          Comment


          • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

            http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.ph...nbasite=pacers
            R.I.P. Bernic Mac & Isaac Hayes

            Comment


            • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

              Originally posted by Mal View Post
              For what it's worth, I see it too, S86.
              It's cause we have to have a scapegoat in the front office!
              I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

              Comment


              • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                Give me an example of what you mean by a new direction
                I was hoping for the same thing I thought you were: taking a risk on a young coach who could be the next great coach instead of just a mediocre safe bet. Hiring O'brien is obviously the safe bet option. This just comes off as the same reactionary damage-control moves weve been seeing from TPTB for the past couple years instead of being proactive and taking risks.

                As for RC's offense, Ive always been under the impression that RC built the offense around our best players, primarily JO. Maybe the difference Im not seeing is RC is more structured? Either way I was hoping for a more balanced team approach.

                Comment


                • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                  Originally posted by indyman37 View Post
                  Unclebuck, I know you already said that O'Brien will run the offense through his All-Stars, but do you think we will play more of a grinding half-court game or try to quick quiker and run (not like Phoenix) in the open court. Because if he loves his players taking threes, the first thing that comes to mind is run-and-gun.
                  Excellent question - and I don't know the answer - maybe he'll have some comments at the press conference.

                  His offense in Bostona and in Philly was really simple he got the ball to Pierce and Walker and in Philly he got it to Iverson and let them operate - there wasn't a lot of intricate offensive plays like Rick likes to run.

                  We'll see if Jim changes that approach here with this roster

                  Comment


                  • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                    Originally posted by Mr.ThunderMakeR View Post
                    I was hoping for the same thing I thought you were: taking a risk on a young coach who could be the next great coach instead of just a mediocre safe bet. Hiring O'brien is obviously the safe bet option. This just comes off as the same reactionary damage-control moves weve been seeing from TPTB for the past couple years instead of being proactive and taking risks.

                    As for RC's offense, Ive always been under the impression that RC built the offense around our best players, primarily JO. Maybe the difference Im not seeing is RC is more structured? Either way I was hoping for a more balanced team approach.
                    I guess I think O'Brien is a much better than mediocre, so while I agree with your approach, I think you are underestimating Jim's coaching





                    Where can we watch the presser? anyone know. NBATV, ESPNNEWS, WTHR.com anyone know

                    Comment


                    • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                      The best thing about this whole thing is that the team hired a coach that shares the same vision as TPTB. A lot of people could easily see that Carlisle wanted to do something different than what Bird and Walsh wanted him to do, and that (and injuries) is why this team never really fit together.

                      Comment


                      • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                        NOW

                        http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.ph...nbasite=pacers
                        R.I.P. Bernic Mac & Isaac Hayes

                        Comment


                        • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                          Remember that Jim would occasionally write for ESPN.com. This article explains IMO why he and Larry are on the same page. The first part of this article is very similar to what Larry Bird has been talking about for a while.

                          http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/prin...type=blogEntry

                          Monday, May 21, 2007
                          Playoffs are a balancing act


                          Balance seems to be the key word when attempting to build a team that can regularly compete for an NBA championship. Balance as in a team that can beat you at whatever game you want to play.

                          You want to run, they'll run. Grind it out, that's okay too.


                          Developing a team with the capabilities to be able to play comfortably at all tempos is a difficult challenge. San Antonio is clearly a perfectly tuned franchise in regards to the ability to beat you in an up and down game played in the hundreds or a defensive duel in the eighties.


                          Utah showed this type of ability disposing of Golden State in five games.


                          Phoenix, despite falling short in the second round against the Spurs, showed they understand that the type of balance we are talking about is the thing that separates them from the championship they are so feverishly chasing. What was lost in the fiasco that Game 4 turned into, with Robert Horry's body check on Steve Nash, was the Sun's giant step in beating San Antonio at the Spurs' tempo.


                          As much as the whole basketball world would love to have seen a Suns Golden State series for the up and down, wild shoot out that these games promised, it was not to be. They lost to teams that were put together in a way that understands the balance between getting good shots and being able to defend whatever is thrown at them. This type of balance is the very essence of deep runs in playoff basketball and it is a very hard balance to bring a franchise to strike. It takes time and some luck to get personnel that have the ability to beat all comers in a seven game series.


                          Dallas, as an example, observed two years ago that they did not have the defensive mind set that would allow them to hang a banner. They shored up their defense to complement a well oiled offensive team and came within two wins of the championship. The Mavs were many experts pick to win it all this year but showed their vulnerability against the frenetic Warriors. Tinkering with a roster and a style can be as delicate as the Fed trying to balance the economy.


                          Now you know the Mavs are obsessed with making sure they have the personnel in place to be able to handle any tempo in the future.


                          In contrast, look at the Spurs off-season move that may not have seemed a big deal at the time. They let a slower Nazr Mohammed leave and added a more mobile big man in Francisco Elson. They also did a great job of bringing Fabricio Oberto another mobile big man along to shore up a front line that could succeed against anything the West had to offer.


                          In Houston, Jeff Van Gundy probably lost his job because he and the Rockets management did not see eye to eye on whether they had the personnel in place to be able to have this balance. Now the challenge for Houston, and it's a big one, is to find someone that can keep them near the top defensively (the Rockets were first in field goal defense) and be able to increase the tempo and still have Yao Ming as the focal point of their offense. This is a very complicated test for the next coach of the Rockets. After all the Rockets won 52 games but would be severely challenged in series that pit them against faster up tempo teams as well as the Spurs and Jazz.


                          Just because a team wants to play at a Suns type of tempo does not mean they can. The Raptors with Bryan Colangelo manning the controls would love to play at an extreme tempo that is difficult to guard. But, Colangelo and Sam Mitchell found in the first two weeks of the season that they were not ready for this style just yet and a balance needed to be struck. It was a great call that saw the two of them awarded the Executive and Coach of the Year honors respectively.


                          This balancing act is a bigger challenge to the teams out West because of the depth and disparity of the teams that you have to get through to reach the Finals.


                          At the beginning of the year I thought it would be the Spurs and Detroit in the Finals.


                          Joe Dumars, the man that makes the decisions for the Detroit Pistons, knows that he has to beat only one of these teams from the West. He almost for sure had to think he was putting together this Pistons team to beat the Spurs or the Mavs. If they can get through the East which now seems almost a certainty, because of the way that Flip Saunders has them playing, the Pistons have a realistic chance at taking it all.

                          Comment


                          • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            Excellent question - and I don't know the answer - maybe he'll have some comments at the press conference.

                            His offense in Bostona and in Philly was really simple he got the ball to Pierce and Walker and in Philly he got it to Iverson and let them operate - there wasn't a lot of intricate offensive plays like Rick likes to run.

                            We'll see if Jim changes that approach here with this roster
                            At this point assuming that we dont make any trades this season (God I hope that doesnt come true), this means we'll have a coach who will be handing the reigns over to JO and Tinsley. Thats about the biggest trainwreck I could imagine.

                            Comment


                            • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                              It's live on Wish Tv

                              Comment


                              • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                                I am willing to give O'Brien a shot. If we hired an assisstant the TPTB hyper-skeptics would complain that they are unproven or washed up pine riders. At least this way we something in the past to assess.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X