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  • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

    Originally posted by Jermaniac View Post
    And if you think Tinsley is getting traded, please tell me who is going to take him?
    Vescey seems to think the Lakers will.
    I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

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    • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

      You want to run, they'll run. Grind it out, that's okay too.
      And he made this exact same comment in his presser.

      I think people are underestimating some of the other options just as much as people are overreacting negatively to O'Brien. Again, he's hardly crap. I don't think he's as big a depature from Rick as most of you do though. Feed JO, get out of the way. That's what he's done previously.

      As for "same vision" where Rick took it another way, WTF???? Larry tried to FORCE the team to be a running group, Rick was forced to try and make that work. Most of the players they had couldn't do it.

      Ironically Jackson went to the running Warriors, but of those players he was BY FAR the slowest, least running guy on the court. He actually (and Al somewhat too) gave them some half court balance and defense. All the running was Barnes, Davis, Rich, Ellis, etc

      The point being that clearly the Pacers did not actually assemble a team capable of running. Unless they alter the roster it won't fare any better now. Jim may realize that the ability to play either way is key, and he may be giving lip service to the idea that this CURRENT roster can do that, but I call BS. I don't think he truly sees that in this group.

      So ultimately I don't think a single problem was about the COACH'S vision of the roster, it was about what the roster actually was.

      Frankly my strong bet is that with Harter joining them (if that's the case) you are going to get a more extreme version of what you saw with Rick the last few years - clamp-down defense, low scoring games, iso offense.


      And that makes me ask this - why are you happy about O'Brien but were sick of Rick again?


      (I'm fine with JOB at this point, I just don't see it solving anything. You're in the honeymoon where it's all lip service, so of course it sounds good; so did running last summer)

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      • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

        To me the hiring of Jim O'Brien is a terrible move.

        As Celtic coach he was critized for:
        1. Playing favorites letting Walker and Pierce do as they pleased but coming down hard on the others.

        2. Not playing young players - he was behind trading Joe Johnson to the Suns for vets Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers

        His offense was chuck up 3's and isolate his stars Walker and Pierce.

        To me this seems to point to Bird thinking this team is a playoff team and just needs a new coach. In many ways he's a slightly diff version of Carlisle. Unless O'Brien has changed and will play youth seems like a bad fit for a re-building team.

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        • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

          Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
          To me the hiring of Jim O'Brien is a terrible move.

          As Celtic coach he was critized for:
          1. Playing favorites letting Walker and Pierce do as they pleased but coming down hard

          2. Not playing young players - he was behind trading Joe Johnson to the Suns for vets Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers

          His offense was chuck up 3's and isolate his stars Walker and Pierce.

          To me this seems to point to Bird thinking this team is a playoff team and just needs a new coach. Unless O'Brien has changed and will play youth seems like a bad fit for a re-building team.
          There we go. The way UB and some of these guys where talking about this guy made him seem like a Red Auerbach type of coach and ****.

          This is good news, 8 minutes per game for Ike and Shawne next year.

          Like I said earlier we have hired Rick Carlisle with a bald spot.

          - Doesnt like young players
          - Treats his stars better then all his other players and lets them do as they please
          - Defensive coach
          - Likes to grind games out

          YAY

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          • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

            WTHR had an interview with Jim a few minutes ago. I'll have it up on youtube within 30 minutes.

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            • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

              I'm excited about this news, I think O'Brien (and Hart) will do a great job getting our team back on track!

              Ok, we have a coach. What about our next move? Trade JO and Tinsley?
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              • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                Originally posted by Jermaniac View Post
                This is good news, 8 minutes per game for Ike and Shawne next year.
                First of all, as soon as someone has something bad to say about him, you believe every word. Someone says something nice, you don't believe any of it.

                Secondly, you were one who said Ike sucks anyway, so what do you care if he plays less?

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                • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                  Originally posted by indyman37 View Post
                  Vescey seems to think the Lakers will.
                  and if he keeps tossing stuff out there eventually something will be right
                  This is the darkest timeline.

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                  • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                    Originally posted by Mal View Post
                    First of all, as soon as someone has something bad to say about him, you believe every word. Someone says something nice, you don't believe any of it.

                    Secondly, you were one who said Ike sucks anyway, so what do you care if he plays less?
                    Murphy sucks more. So I rather watch Ike at PF.

                    What something nice that he coaches his team to play good defense. This team cant play good defense. Rick was a good defensive coach and he couldnt get them to play good defense.

                    I cant wait to see someone get Tinsley,Murphy and Dunleavy to play good defense.

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                    • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                      If you also remember back to when O'Brien coached at Boston a main reason he left was because Ainge wanted to go young -O'Brien had no desire to be part of rebuilding. Thats why this hiring to me shows Bird is not wanting to rebuild and go young but instead approaching it as this is a playoff team just needs tweaking.

                      I'd have preferred if JO is being traded to just rebuild and go with a young coach. But hey 8th seed is the playoffs appears to be the goal.

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                      • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                        Have the terms of the contract been announced?
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                        • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                          Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                          If you also remember back to when O'Brien coached at Boston a main reason he left was because Ainge wanted to go young -O'Brien had no desire to be part of rebuilding. Thats why this hiring to me shows Bird is not wanting to rebuild and go young but instead approaching it as this is a playoff team just needs tweaking.

                          I'd have preferred if JO is being traded to just rebuild and go with a young coach. But hey 8th seed is the playoffs appears to be the goal.
                          This just makes me sick. Wasnt there a big a spiel last summer about how they were no longer happy to just make the playoffs and wanted to do whatever it takes to be contenders? I guess that mindset didnt last long at all.

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                          • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                            Originally posted by Jermaniac View Post
                            I cant wait to see someone get Tinsley,Murphy and Dunleavy to play good defense.
                            A team with Mark Jackson, Reggie Miller, and Rik Smits couldn't possibly play good defense either.

                            But they did.

                            A good defensive coach can do a whole lot to cover the weaknesses of multiple defenders. And Harter is a really, really good one.

                            No, he's not going to turn Murphy to a lock-down defender. Nobody is saying that.
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                            • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                              Jim...O'Brien?

                              At least you won't have to worry about 3-point shooting anymore. Obie builds his offense around it.

                              Tinsley jacking up 8 threes a game is going to be interesting to watch.

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                              • Re: Jim O'Brien is new head coach

                                Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                                If you also remember back to when O'Brien coached at Boston a main reason he left was because Ainge wanted to go young -O'Brien had no desire to be part of rebuilding. Thats why this hiring to me shows Bird is not wanting to rebuild and go young but instead approaching it as this is a playoff team just needs tweaking.

                                I'd have preferred if JO is being traded to just rebuild and go with a young coach. But hey 8th seed is the playoffs appears to be the goal.
                                This is exactly like a Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh move. Just do a little something to make this team just good enough to sneak into the East playoffs and get beat. We have a horrible front office.

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