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    Should the guy be suspended for tonight's game?

    Let's face it...Stoudemire isn't the first player to ever claim that Bowen is dirty. Kobe got suspended after a couple of elbows this past season, and after the video that I saw this morning, I believe that there is some intent there.

    I remember game 1 of the brawl season, and the Pacers opened up in Miami. Artest was called out for intentionally putting his foot on the floor underneath Shaq so that he would land awkwardly. I defended Ron-Ron that there was no way that he did something like that. My main point of contention was "who would put their foot under 300+ lbs?!?!??!

    But now I wonder...is this a move that is common to these "defensive specialists"? Bowen certainly did it to Amare. The knee to the groin of Nash should be #2, and following the Kobe precedent, he should be suspended.

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    Is there a clip of it up on youtube yet? I'd need to see it again to better say. I saw it once, and it looked questionable and probably (knowing Bowen) dirty, but I don't think you suspend him for that. Now I sure as hell would have for the Amare thing, but they decided it wasn't worth it for whatever reason. So I guess I answered my own question, I'm voting no, even though I think for his career-worth of shots he deserves a long suspension.

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    They should just call three fouls on him in the very first minute of play. Whenever he gets near an offensive player its a foul. And they should do that for several games in a row. That's the better solution - take care of this crap on the court not between games even if its a "punitive" step.
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    It looked like it was a deliberate 'nad job to me. Nash may have emoted somewhat but Bowen's knee goes definitely higher than for a normal stride.
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    I love how there are people that say Bowen isn't intentionally trying to hurt people. There are those that say that he is trying to intimidate people or what not, but it always seems that people are getting hurt because of it.

    Maybe I should start swing my bat at passerbyers and try to intimidate them. If I hit them, I'll just play it off like nothing happened.

    I don't mind a hard foul once in a great while to get a point across, but nothing like what Bowen has been pulling. There is a slight difference between a knee in the jewels and good hard foul while taking it inside.


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    I never took anyone seriously when they said Bowen was a dirty player until I saw the clip of him kneeing Nash. It's pretty obvious that it was deliberate. I don't know that he should be suspended. I guess Stu and Stern could give him the option of being three times before tipoff or be suspended.

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    After a while it stops being a coincidence brought on by aggressive play and starts being a definite pattern of dirty *** actions that put other players at significant injury risk.

    I've had enough of this guy running around giving cheapshots and not being punished. He needs to be suspended.

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    After a while it stops being a coincidence brought on by aggressive play and starts being a definite pattern of dirty *** actions that put other players at significant injury risk.

    I've had enough of this guy running around giving cheapshots and not being punished. He needs to be suspended.
    Agreed. Baron Davis, however good he may be, is not above the law.

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    Agreed. Baron Davis, however good he may be, is not above the law.
    are you talking about the elbow to Fisher last night?

    I like Davis, (comments about Reggie notwithstanding), but I was taken back by that shot, mainly b/c I thought those 2 were friends. He went over and apologized to him a few minutes later, but when he saw him go down, I think he would have stopped to help him him if it were an accident.

    I think that was intentional, and I'll bet if the league reviews it, they will think the same.

    That was a BS play, though.

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    If they didn't give him a game off for the Amare kick, kneeing Nash in the Nads (that could make a heckuva toungue-twister - just try to say it fast 3 times) won't get him tossed tonight.

    Expect another 10 minutes from announcers saying they couldn't see anything intentional though.
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    They should just call three fouls on him in the very first minute of play. Whenever he gets near an offensive player its a foul. And they should do that for several games in a row. That's the better solution - take care of this crap on the court not between games even if its a "punitive" step.
    OK, I found clear evidence of the 25% you don't believe.

    Shouldn't the games be called according the rules?
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    Its the playoffs...I love tough play.Sometimes you do what you have to do to win.
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    I was actually just thinking about this. I'm of two minds about Bruce Bowen. Sometimes I love his tough defense, sometimes I really think he's trying to injure someone.

    Most of us grew up in Indiana and I know where I lived hard fouls were a part of the game; no lay-ups, etc. Nothing dirty, just tough defense. Looking through these boards it's clear that a relatively big percentage of posters are especially fond of good defense. So I appreciate Bowen's effort, skill and nastiness on D. He's a pitbull and you have to respect it.

    But I hate the thought of an athlete being injured on an avoidable play. It's why I think that although the NFL goes overboard sometimes with protecting the quarterback, I'm glad they do. I would hate to see a cheap shot end someones career. I think Bowen should have been fined for kicking Stoudemire's achilles in game two. That was so obviously on purpose and it made me cringe watching it.

    I don't really get the uproar over the Nash thing. An offensive player should be allowed to clear out space. Did he get him in the nuts? Sure, but that isn't a suspendable offense, and Nash definitely oversold it.

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    Video of the incident.

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    Couple thoughts:
    -Nash flies like 8 feet the other way.
    -Bowen definitely lifted his leg to get into him.
    -How does D'Antoni not get technicals?! This guy complains more than any coach in the playoffs.

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    Not for that play. Going after an achilles is a lot different than hitting someone in the groin.

    I agree with Jay the refs should just call him tighter. I'm not a big fan of the league giving the penalty the morning after.
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    After him kneeing Nash? Yeah suspend him forever boot him from the league. Dirtiest player around. I have zero respect for him.

    P.S. I could see how this could be interpreted as sarcasm upon reading it. It's not. I'm 100% serious. This guy has a dirty play every game if you watch close enough. Its an art form for him and getting away with it is fun for him if you ask me. I think he gets great pleasure every time he gets attention for this and never gets suspended. IMO

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    After a while it stops being a coincidence brought on by aggressive play and starts being a definite pattern of dirty *** actions that put other players at significant injury risk.

    I've had enough of this guy running around giving cheapshots and not being punished. He needs to be suspended.
    I agree. I voted "yes" for the suspension on the theory that this should be looked upon as the "straw that broke the camel's back."

    Bowen has done this too many times to too many quality players for it to be coincidence. It's about time he started being called on it, regardless of the team he's on or his "defensive" prowess.
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=2870076

    Bowen ain't getting suspended, neither is J-Rich. But Baron's elbow is still being looked at.

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    NBA players are "whiners" nowadays. . .back in the days the games were more physical than this!! Bowen is playing like he always plays. . .There's always trash talking in basketball, so that obviously triggers foul play. . .I'm not saying its right, but if your gonna let a player like Bowen affect your game then your not mentallly strong enough to play in the NBA. . .Maybe when all the old schoolers are gone these new guys can stop complaining

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    There's a difference between playing phsyical, and playing dirty.

    Dirty is placing your foot under a player in the air shooting, which Bowen has done more than once. Dirty is trying to phsyically hurt someone, i.e. kneeing them in the nuts etc.

    Playing phsyical is grabing/holding, setting hard screens, really putting a body on someone while boxing out. Phsyical play *can* be called a foul, because you're going over the top on contact, but it's not designed to injure anyone, whereas dirty play is.

    Being soft and whining about dirty plays aren't one in the same. There is no place for playing dirty in the NBA, or even on the pickup courts.

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    OK, I found clear evidence of the 25% you don't believe.

    Shouldn't the games be called according the rules?
    Okay, that's about 0.025% of it. I do think they should do a better job of taking care of the problem on the court.

    Nothing about the NBA's "justice systme" makes me madder than the fact that flagrant foul by Oakley on Reggie that started the Knicks v. Hicks rivarly (a few months before Starks headbutted Reggie) was not called during the game and the punishment was administered by the league office the next day. By the way, that was the impetus for the rule change for automatic free throws if you foul a guy that's out of bounds, as the way that Oakley knocked Reggie into the basket support was frightening.

    Since that came shortly after the famous MJ-Reggie fight in which Reggie and Bo Hill were ejected but not a single technical foul was called on that Jordan punk, but Jordan was suspended for the next game. Whoop-de-****, he should've been suspended for the next Pacers-Bulls game, instead some random NBA team got the benefit of the clearly unreasonable decision to eject two Pacers, neither of which initiated the fight, while letting Jordan and Company run roughshop over an then-undermanned Pacers team.

    That's what I've got a problem with. Clearly "phantom calls" are not the preferred solution, but its better than letting the guy go unpunished entirely.
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    I wish someone would put Bruce Bowen on his back and send a message. I'm all for tenacious D, but this guy does the little dirty things that have no place in the NBA. The placing of the foot under someone's shoe when they're shooting, stepping at someone's achilles, kneeing someone in the groin, etc.

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    Okay, that's about 0.025% of it. I do think they should do a better job of taking care of the problem on the court.

    Nothing about the NBA's "justice systme" makes me madder than the fact that flagrant foul by Oakley on Reggie that started the Knicks v. Hicks rivarly (a few months before Starks headbutted Reggie) was not called during the game and the punishment was administered by the league office the next day. By the way, that was the impetus for the rule change for automatic free throws if you foul a guy that's out of bounds, as the way that Oakley knocked Reggie into the basket support was frightening.

    Since that came shortly after the famous MJ-Reggie fight in which Reggie and Bo Hill were ejected but not a single technical foul was called on that Jordan punk, but Jordan was suspended for the next game. Whoop-de-****, he should've been suspended for the next Pacers-Bulls game, instead some random NBA team got the benefit of the clearly unreasonable decision to eject two Pacers, neither of which initiated the fight, while letting Jordan and Company run roughshop over an then-undermanned Pacers team.

    That's what I've got a problem with. Clearly "phantom calls" are not the preferred solution, but its better than letting the guy go unpunished entirely.
    Jay, I comletely agree that the right calls need to be made on the floor in the first place. And you don't have to go into the way-back machine to see how officials not taking charge what is going on then and there can mess things up royally. You just need to look at a certain game 9 games into the 04/05 Pacers season.

    But you can't fix a missed call with a wrong call. Two wrongs do not make a right. Never have. Never will.

    That said, I don't understand why league action is not an OK thing? The league did the right thing when they suspended Jordan, even if he didn't get thrown out of the game in the first place. They were clear: you can't do this and get away with it.

    I personally want ALL "make up" calls - and all officials who called games in the era of the make up call to be gone gone gone.

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    No - you shouldn't fix a missed call with a wrong call, clearly.

    But you can "call it tighter" for a player with a reputation like Bowen's.

    David Harrison gets no breaks from the officials, and he's not dirty. Treat Bowen like you treat Harrison for a few games and he'll back down and Popovich will likely bench him unless his three-pointer is falling.
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    OK - then we understand each other.

    I want to see the day when all players are called equally.

    DH gets called because he continues to make the signature rookie big man move: He goes for the tomahawk chop almost every time. I mean, it's been YEARS, David - stop swatting!!!

    I wish Jeff Foster would teach him how to use his hands.

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