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    Default Is Avery Johnson a fraud of a coach?

    Seriously, does he have any actual coaching ability, or is he just riding talent. GS is making him look like a fool on the sidelines.

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    Default Re: Is Avery Johnson a fraud of a coach?

    horrible overreaction to one game.


    Avery did more with the Mavs than Nellie ever did. He was able to devise a formula for beating the Spurs.

    That doesn't mean Avery is a better coach. It simply means that he has a ways to go before he reaches the hall of fame-level with Nellie, who has more tricks in his bag than Avery has years on his life.

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    No, but convince everyone in Dallas of that so that we can steal him!
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    No, but convince everyone in Dallas of that so that we can steal him!
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    Word squared.

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    Or hire Keith Smart from the Nellie coaching tree. Probably wouldn't have to break the bank. Part of state hoops lore and has decent multi-level coaching experience. And if he comes in and sucks, move one. No harm done.

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    Absurd question

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    Since the PAcers were eliminated from making the playoffs can we change the name of the forum to GSD?
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    I don't think it's an absurd question. I think Avery, like all successful coaches, is a bit overrated. It's easy to win when you have great players who aren't nutjobs. Rick Carlisle leading a team that starts Chucky Atkins, Jerry Stackhouse, Michael Curry, Ben Wallace, and Cliff Robinson to 48(?) wins is far more impressive than anything Avery Johnson has ever done.

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    Nellie's in everybody's head, not just Avery's. Plus, stop saying that Avery's got such great players. Dirk's got all the talent in the world, but no heart. Avery'd be better off with Shane Falco.
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    I agree with Kegboy, that the Mavs talent is overrated. Avery is one of the current crop of great NBA coaches

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    I don't think its an absurd question at all.

    He's good at certain things: he's gotten the Mavs to play D, he's a players coach and a great motivator.

    But he's a little too rigid, and is a poor game planner. Nellie is showing that.

    I don't think he's a poor coach, but I don't think he's the genius everyones making him out to be. Lets be honest, the current series is a little ridiculous, I'm amazed they haven't been able to make adjustments. How are the warriors getting to the paint every single darn time? And its not just Nowitzki, everyone's giving up lay-ups.

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    Mavs got plenty of talent.

    Dirk is one of the leagues greatest players obviously.

    Josh Howard is one of the leagues most underrated players, for the simple fact that unlike a lot of other "all-stars" he plays on both sides of the ball. He's as good overall as Ron ever was. (better on offense and on the glass, not as good defensively)

    Terry is a good guard, nothing special but very Nick Van Excel-like. He can shoot, pass, and is a pretty solid defender.

    Harris is a good young guard and a very good defender.

    Stackhouse is one of the leagues best 6th men

    By today's standards, they've got a a pretty good center rotation, who can block a lot of shots and rebound. Sure they're not good offensively, but with Dirk, Howard, Stackhouse, and Terry, they don't need any more scoring.

    They've got a good bench.

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    Default Re: Is Avery Johnson a fraud of a coach?

    Avery is a middle of the pack coach who's been given an enormous amount of talent.

    If you switch Avery Johnson and Mike Woodson - the Hawks woudn't have won thirty games but the Mavericks would have still had the best record in the regular season.

    Avery is fine, but not as good as the Mavericks record makes his appear.

    Fraud is an overstatement, though.
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    Seriously, does he have any actual coaching ability, or is he just riding talent. GS is making him look like a fool on the sidelines.
    Ridiculous question.

    If this is so, then lump Phil Jackson, Popovich, and Riley into the 'riding talent' club.

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    Avery coached a team to the Finals, 2 wins shy of a championship.

    He has helped Dirk become a legit MVP canidate. Made him less soft. You can't tell me that Dirk doesn't play better/smarter under AJ than he did under Nelson.

    Avery coached this team to 67 wins. What is that 6 more wins and they would have beat the Chicago Bulls win record of 72 wins. Yeah maybe AJ has some talent to work with, but i'd say he is equally as talented as a coach.

    Avery has a lot of talent, but he made them better than they were under Nellie.

    Are the Mavs struggling some against the Warriors? Sure. However are we all forgetting that Don Nelson coached pretty much all of those Mavericks and that he probably knows what to do against Avery as well as anyone. Don is still the teacher and Avery is still the student you could say. On top of that the Warriors have been playing very well.

    Avery is a top coach in this league. Figures don't lie. It takes talent to win and it takes a good coach to win. Avery is a top 5-10 coach, period. He has shown that. Maybe guys like Mike Woodson or others could do what AJ has done with his team, but I guess we will never know until coaches have talent like AJ has.

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    Golden State is bullying the Mavs for real

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    Seriously, does he have any actual coaching ability, or is he just riding talent. GS is making him look like a fool on the sidelines.
    Let's see. Let me look at the dictionary. Nope - Phil Jackson's picture is next to Fraud. Wait. A runner-up? Pat Riley. No that can't be right. Riley doesn't coach when the talent isn't there.
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    I'd take Avery in a heartbeat. Sure, he has the talent and he may not be the best x/o coach but he takes no nonsense and gets the most out of his players. He plays no favorites, including Dirk, and has the team on the same page.

    It seems he's a little slow in hatching a plan to counter the Warriors play but rest assured, the Mavs will be a different team in game #4.

    As far as personnel goes, the Warriors are probably the worst draw for the Mavs. When you have several players 6-5 to 6-9 that are fast, interchangable, althletic and play all-out, it's tough for a team like the Mavs. I can't fanthom why if they can't stop the penetration, why aren't they attempting to draw offensive fouls.

    I still think they are the best team in the league and are the ones to go through if anyone wants the ring. Two wins is a long ways from eliminating them. They didn't win 67 games being lucky and having a fraud for a coach.

    I think Avery would have been exactly what Tinsley and Jax needed. I believe he could have gotten them on the straight and narrow.
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    Hell no Avery is not a fraud...

    It's one game and Warriors are a very talented team now.

    Even D'Antoni couldn't stop then even if it was a Run n Gun game.

    and I'm very happy Lakers and GS won their last games


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    I think Avery would have been exactly what Tinsley and Jax needed. I believe he could have gotten them on the straight and narrow.
    Rather, I think he would have nipped it in the bud and do what he did with Daniels:

    Make sure the nuckleheads got traded.
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    This Golden St/Mavs series has digest members delirious.

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    This Golden St/Mavs series has digest members delirious.
    Nah.

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