# Thread: Pacers & Sixers will have a coin flip (edit: TODAY) to see who gets 1 more ping pong

1. ## Pacers & Sixers will have a coin flip (edit: TODAY) to see who gets 1 more ping pong

Because the Pacers and Sixers ended in a tie - here is how a tie is broken. The part in bold is what applies in this situation - because the 12th team gets 7 combinations (.7% chance of getting the top pick) and the 11th team gets 8 combinations (.8% of getting top pick).

In the event of a tie, each tied team receives the average of the total number of combinations for the positions involved. In 2006, the Minnesota Timberwolves and Boston Celtics tied for sixth, resulting in each team getting 53 combinations (the average of 63 and 43). Should the average number not be an integer, a coin flip is then used to determine which team or teams receive the extra combination(s).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery

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Hawks fans must be happy.

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Wow. If we hadn't had those moments of epiphany against Miami and SA... I don't want the Pacers to lose on purpose...but MAN. Sorry if I'm being repetitive.

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Aww man, now if the Sixers get a top 3 pick I'm going to be mad no matter what

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Nevermind, I see you actually addressed this in the original post that I carelessly didn't completely read apparently.

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I am sadden that our seasons hopes lie in a handful of ping pong balls.

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I'm laying 5-1 odds right now that Tinsley misses the morning toss-around.

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The question is, who do the Pacers send to represent them in the lottery?

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Originally Posted by Kstat
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The question is, who do the Pacers send to represent them in the lottery?
Dominique Wilkins?

Spud Webb

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I am sadden that our seasons hopes lie in a handful of ping pong balls.
They don't. Haven't you heard Donnie? It lies in the hands of Dunleavy and Murphy rather than Jackson and Al.

I assume most of you are really, really happy based on comments around the time of the trade. I wish I could share everyone's optimism about building around Dun now that dirty, dirty Jack has been moved to yet another playoff team (seems to have a knack for that).

Yes I'm bitter. Look at the GS record. Just that would have had the Pacers vs TOR in round 1. That's a decent shot for a first round win. Then CLE perhaps. Even if they couldn't win it all and didn't have a pick, at least it would be a pick around 18 they were giving up instead of 11/12 and we'd get to watch a few more weeks of ball.

And then they could STILL have traded Jack away forever after that. Lucky for us the Pacers decided to hurry up and "solve" the problem in an effort to quiet the fans. Well it got really freaking quiet in Conseco from that point on.

Honestly my hopes are pinned as heavily on Dun as Walsh's hopes are, simply because there doesn't seem to be any other way this team gets better other than he and/or Murph really improving this summer. Dun or bust, like it or not. I certainly could enjoy seeing him play up to his contract if he can actually do it.

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Originally Posted by Kstat
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The question is, who do the Pacers send to represent them in the lottery?
Obviously Billy Knight.

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I'd love to see the Hawks pick up Mike Conley with our pick, just for the comedic value of it all.

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Seth - are you ever going to stop

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Originally Posted by Kstat
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The question is, who do the Pacers send to represent them in the lottery?
Steve Francis, obviously. Or someone from the Magic organization.

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The question is, who do the Pacers send to represent them in the lottery?
Al Harrington

Maybe the ping pong balls will realize he's not on our team, therefore think the trade never happen and the Pacers deserve their 1st round pick back.

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The question is, who do the Pacers send to represent them in the lottery?
the new pacers gm

honestly, i'm ready for a change at the top

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Originally Posted by Unclebuck
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Seth - are you ever going to stop
Not while the issue is current still being rubbed in our face. You might tune out the world for this issue, but I'm watching the LAC getting eliminated by the Warriors with a little ticker showing Jackson leading the freaking way. This after seeing just how good the rest of the Pacers were without JO, Tins and Foster. And after just reading Nellie basically calling out Dun and Murph as bench guys getting good starters money. After reading everyone's favorite Army saying the deal hurt them.

It's not like these things were said 2 years ago and the Warriors making the playoffs for the first time in forever is old news. It's happening RIGHT NOW. The only reason you won't see Jackson and Al on national TV in the playoffs is because you will avoid it.

But plenty of other fans will see them, if for no other reason than to watch the #1 team in the NBA play against them.

Give me a reason why that shouldn't be salt in the wound still? This is like getting over the Jax for Rose trade 25 games into 96-97 with the Pacers struggling and Jackson out in Denver leading the NBA in assists. Sorry, it takes just a bit more time than that, especially considering how many fans were marching out to the castle with their torches to make it happen.

You could easily have upgraded on Jackson, he's a mediocre player. My problem is that they didn't even come close to doing that.

At least with Ron he started talking Ron crazy again, kept forcing shots, and this year led the Kings nowhere. Plus he was far more disruptive with the Pacers and selfishly asked to be moved openly. Guy didn't want to be here then I didn't want him here.

When Jack is involved in another fight/brawl/incident and derails the Warriors I'll get over it. Or even if Dunleavy raises the Pacers back to a 48-50 win team. All I need is for things to change in a way that gives me a reason to let it go.

You guys want it let go because it doesn't mesh well with what you wanted to see happen. If you wanted that deal to go through then of course you now want to fast forward over the initial grading period of the deal.

Until then my point of "make sure you're doing things for the right reason" keeps getting hammered home on ESPN and TNT every other night. I'm as sick of seeing it as you are of hearing me say it. But me not bringing it up doesn't make the truth of the matter disappear.

TPHB cost us a top coach, maybe a top PF, a good portion of the fanbase and seemingly several seasons outside of the playoffs.

Sshhhhh, let's not talk about it. If a tree falls in the forest...

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Originally Posted by Naptown_Seth
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Not while the issue is current still being rubbed in our face. You might tune out the world for this issue, but I'm watching the LAC getting eliminated by the Warriors with a little ticker showing Jackson leading the freaking way. This after seeing just how good the rest of the Pacers were without JO, Tins and Foster. And after just reading Nellie basically calling out Dun and Murph as bench guys getting good starters money. After reading everyone's favorite Army saying the deal hurt them.

It's not like these things were said 2 years ago and the Warriors making the playoffs for the first time in forever is old news. It's happening RIGHT NOW. The only reason you won't see Jackson and Al on national TV in the playoffs is because you will avoid it.

But plenty of other fans will see them, if for no other reason than to watch the #1 team in the NBA play against them.

Give me a reason why that shouldn't be salt in the wound still? This is like getting over the Jax for Rose trade 25 games into 96-97 with the Pacers struggling and Jackson out in Denver leading the NBA in assists. Sorry, it takes just a bit more time than that, especially considering how many fans were marching out to the castle with their torches to make it happen.

You could easily have upgraded on Jackson, he's a mediocre player. My problem is that they didn't even come close to doing that.

At least with Ron he started talking Ron crazy again, kept forcing shots, and this year led the Kings nowhere. Plus he was far more disruptive with the Pacers and selfishly asked to be moved openly. Guy didn't want to be here then I didn't want him here.

When Jack is involved in another fight/brawl/incident and derails the Warriors I'll get over it. Or even if Dunleavy raises the Pacers back to a 48-50 win team. All I need is for things to change in a way that gives me a reason to let it go.

You guys want it let go because it doesn't mesh well with what you wanted to see happen. If you wanted that deal to go through then of course you now want to fast forward over the initial grading period of the deal.

Until then my point of "make sure you're doing things for the right reason" keeps getting hammered home on ESPN and TNT every other night. I'm as sick of seeing it as you are of hearing me say it. But me not bringing it up doesn't make the truth of the matter disappear.

TPHB cost us a top coach, maybe a top PF, a good portion of the fanbase and seemingly several seasons outside of the playoffs.

Sshhhhh, let's not talk about it. If a tree falls in the forest...

Would now be a good time for me to bring up that the Brad Miller for Scot Pollard trade was the dumbest thing that we've done in 20 years???

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Originally Posted by Peck
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Would now be a good time for me to bring up that the Brad Miller for Scot Pollard trade was the dumbest thing that we've done in 20 years???
Now when we aren't burdened with Brad Miller's horrendous contract as well? Yes.

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Pick a player:

Player A:
FG% season: 45
FG% career: 44
3pt FG% season: 31
3 pt FT% career: 34
FT % season: 78
FT % career: 78
APG season: 2.8
APG career: 2.7
RPG season: 5.3
RPG career: 4.8

Player B:
FG% season: 43
FG% career: 42
3pt FG% season: 32
3 pt FT% career: 34
FT % season: 81
FT% career: 79
APG season: 3.8
APG career: 2.6
RPG season: 2.9
RPG career: 3.6

Other factors:
player A makes 15% more in salary.
Player B fires guns outside of strip clubs.
Player B is a better one-on-one defender.
Player B may face jail time and doesn't believe he did anything wrong and wouldn't change a thing.
Player A tends to take fewer bad shots and plays with higher IQ.

Can we stop blaming a 35 win season on Dunleavy? We have a crappy player. We got him in return for an equally crappy player with WAY WAY WAY more issues.

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Since I'm sick and in a bad mood, I'm tempted to go back and find everybody who told me, "We don't need to lottery protect the pick, you ****ing idiot", but I'm too tired. Probably all CPK's, anyway.

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I'll be thinking of how wonderful jax2 is on May 10.