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    THIS GUY!

    Sorry, had to gloat a bit.
    Mine's the 4th e-mail down, Justin from Indy, about the Pacers (duh)

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...x?name=simmons

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    HOLY ****!!!!

    It's cool you got into his blog, but I'm actually impressed that there's some kind of video footage showing a rigged draft.....

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    I saw that and wondered if it was anyone from the board. Cool.
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    Who cares about that we have a conspiracy theory...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TgJE7C5wiU

    have breaking news: After 22 years of jokes, we now have indisputable video evidence that something fishy happened with the 1985 NBA Lottery. David Stern thought all videotapes of the event had been destroyed ... but no!!!!!!!!!!!! You can find the entire 10-minute lottery on YouTube.

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    The Pulse on ESPN Radio: Bill Simmons explains why there should be an announcer bullpen and who should win the NBA MVP.


    Just in case they pull down the clip between the time we post this blog and the time you read this, here's what happens: when an accountant from Ernst & Whinney throws the seven envelopes into the glass drum, he bangs the fourth one against the side of the drum to create a creased corner (we'll explain why this is relevant in a second). Then he pulls a handle and turns the drum around a couple of times to "mix" the envelopes up. At the 5:23 mark of the clip, Stern heads over to the drum, unlocks it and awkwardly reaches inside for the first envelope (the No. 1 pick). He grabs three envelopes that are bunched together, pretends not to look (although he does) and flips the three envelopes so the one on the bottom ends up in his hand. Then he pulls that envelope out at the 5:32 mark ... and, of course, it's the Knicks envelope.
    Now ...
    A reader named Greg K. from Fair Lawn, N.J. (I'd give you his whole name, but I don't want him to be randomly found dead in his bathtub tonight), pointed this out to me: If you look closely right at the 5:31 mark, right as the commish yanks that Knicks envelope out, there's a noticeable crease in the corner of the envelope. You can see it for a split-second -- as he pulls the envelope up, it's on the corner that's pointing toward the bottom of the jar.
    There's a giant crease! It's right there! The same one the accountant created as he was throwing the envelopes into the drum!
    So you're telling me that, out of the seven envelopes in that glass drum, during a lottery when the NBA desperately needed the most ballyhooed college center in 15 years to save the league's marquee franchise, the commissioner coincidentally pulled out the envelope with a giant crease in the corner that happened to have the Knicks logo in it? This is the Zapruder film of sports tapes, isn't it? Where's Oliver Stone? Can we pull him out of the editing room for the "Alexander: The Really, REALLY Long Director's Cut" DVD?
    Three other things kill me about this tape: First, the host was Pat O'Brien, who's now relegated to stories like "Are Paris and Nicole feuding again? We'll have the story next!" Second, as Pat is pumping up Ewing's pro potential, he passes along a quote from a scouting director who said, "'We've had the Mikan era, the Russell era, the Kareem era ... now we'll have the Ewing era,' and he added, he doesn't see another era on the horizon." Good call, scouting director! And third, as the envelopes get counted down, it's legitimately exciting -- you could even call it the most exciting random sports moment ever. At least until May 22, 2007. Anyway, the weekly batch of links needs some sort of catchy hook, so here's what I came up with: "The Weekly Links." Now that's genius. You have to hand it to me. I didn't have time for additional commentary because I'm working on a column for Friday, so I'm turning everything over to you guys. As always, thanks for taking the time. Here's what you came up with:

    -----------from the article above

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    Just watched the clip. Maybe I need someone to point it out, but I didn't see anything obviously fishy going on. I thought one or two of the envelopes banged the plastic before landing at the bottom of the ball.

    I felt bad watching Herb Simon at the last moment.

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    Just watched the clip. Maybe I need someone to point it out, but I didn't see anything obviously fishy going on. I thought one or two of the envelopes banged the plastic before landing at the bottom of the ball.

    I felt bad watching Herb Simon at the last moment.
    NOOOO its a conspiracy

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    Congrats on the email JB. I'm sure it feels kinda cool.

    I sent an email to Dan Patrick once. He was complaining because the dude who won "Dream Job" (the ESPN voting show that picked the next talking head) got a contract for more money then some of the less known mainstays at Sportcenter ($90K). He was being all obstinate about how his job takes skill and dedication and made some terrible analogy about how people wouldn't want firefighters and doctors chosen by a voting show. My email said something to the effect that has-been athletes walk into his job rather than face the real world and that he needs to check his ego the next time he ever wants to compare reading teleprompters to doing real things like saving lives and healing people.

    He wasn't too happy about the email when he "came back from the break" and spent the next segment talking about how he wasn't trying to compare his work to that of doctors and firefighters while still trying to justify his analogy.

    It felt kinda cool.

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    Just watched the clip. Maybe I need someone to point it out, but I didn't see anything obviously fishy going on. I thought one or two of the envelopes banged the plastic before landing at the bottom of the ball.

    I felt bad watching Herb Simon at the last moment.
    That and when he spun them they were all getting smacked around.

    Personally, I think he was able to find the Knicks envelope because of the hunk of flesh that was frozen to it from when some poor guy pulled it out of the freezer ...

    Or maybe someone was dared to lick it.
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    I don't see it. I'd love to believe it was rigged, but I don't see it.

    Hey Stern, please do us a favor and rig it this year! We could use the pick!
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    Congrats on the email JB. I'm sure it feels kinda cool.

    I sent an email to Dan Patrick once. He was complaining because the dude who won "Dream Job" (the ESPN voting show that picked the next talking head) got a contract for more money then some of the less known mainstays at Sportcenter ($90K). He was being all obstinate about how his job takes skill and dedication and made some terrible analogy about how people wouldn't want firefighters and doctors chosen by a voting show. My email said something to the effect that has-been athletes walk into his job rather than face the real world and that he needs to check his ego the next time he ever wants to compare reading teleprompters to doing real things like saving lives and healing people.

    He wasn't too happy about the email when he "came back from the break" and spent the next segment talking about how he wasn't trying to compare his work to that of doctors and firefighters while still trying to justify his analogy.

    It felt kinda cool.
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    I don't see it. I'd love to believe it was rigged, but I don't see it.

    Hey Stern, please do us a favor and rig it this year! We could use the pick!
    Could you imagine the practice it would take?

    Stern: Make sure you do something to the Knicks envelope so I can figure out which one it is

    Accountant Dude: How about if I put it in the freezer?

    Stern: Nah - I'm a lawyer. I may try to keep it short but I'll be talking a loooong time. No way it stays cold

    Accountant Dude: How about a bent corner then?

    Stern: That'll work - but how can we do it so nobody will see?

    Accountant Dude: I'll just bend it after I put the logo in it

    Stern: Are you crazy? We'll have national press, it'll be on live TV and the main reporter will be a guy who I'm confident will one day be able to tell if celebrities have underwear on when they go out for the night

    Accountant Dude: Huh?

    Stern: Never mind - can you bend it when you put it in?

    Accountant Dude: (Blinks) - Not with my wife but one time there was this gymnast ...

    Stern: Not that you idiot - the envelope

    Accountant Dude: Oh - well, I suppose I could chuck it against the side of the drum - I'll have to practice though

    Stern: No problem. You have a secure vault?

    Accountant Dude: Sure.

    Stern: We'll send you a duplicate drum and 5,000 envelopes. From now until the day of the drawing I want you to spend an hour a day practicing pitching envelopes. Don't worry - bill the league for consulting services or something.

    Accountant Dude: I can do that.

    Stern: And don't take any porn into the vault with you - I want the envelope bent - not sticky

    Accountant Dude: (looks stunned at first, then contemplative)

    Stern: Ok - together now ...

    Stern and Accountant hold hands and chant in unison - Go New York Go New York Go New York Go!
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    I didn't believe the hype, but now I've seen it.

    For those that didn't see it happen, watch for these things, starting at like the 4:40 mark.

    The only guy in the room who knows which envelopes are which walks up with all 7. He chucks the first 3 in regularly, and he bangs the 4th one against the side, bending the corner. He puts the last 3 in regularly.

    When it is time for stern to grab an envelope, he is staring intently trying to find the envelop with the bent corner. He picks up three of them, and when he picks it up you can tell that it is the one with the bent corner. (Freezeframe)

    Watch it as if Stern was a magician, and the other dude was his assistant, because that's what this trick is. They even seem to cue each other.

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    Could you imagine the practice it would take?

    Stern: Make sure you do something to the Knicks envelope so I can figure out which one it is

    Accountant Dude: How about if I put it in the freezer?

    Stern: Nah - I'm a lawyer. I may try to keep it short but I'll be talking a loooong time. No way it stays cold

    Accountant Dude: How about a bent corner then?

    Stern: That'll work - but how can we do it so nobody will see?

    Accountant Dude: I'll just bend it after I put the logo in it

    Stern: Are you crazy? We'll have national press, it'll be on live TV and the main reporter will be a guy who I'm confident will one day be able to tell if celebrities have underwear on when they go out for the night

    Accountant Dude: Huh?

    Stern: Never mind - can you bend it when you put it in?

    Accountant Dude: (Blinks) - Not with my wife but one time there was this gymnast ...

    Stern: Not that you idiot - the envelope

    Accountant Dude: Oh - well, I suppose I could chuck it against the side of the drum - I'll have to practice though

    Stern: No problem. You have a secure vault?

    Accountant Dude: Sure.

    Stern: We'll send you a duplicate drum and 5,000 envelopes. From now until the day of the drawing I want you to spend an hour a day practicing pitching envelopes. Don't worry - bill the league for consulting services or something.

    Accountant Dude: I can do that.

    Stern: And don't take any porn into the vault with you - I want the envelope bent - not sticky

    Accountant Dude: (looks stunned at first, then contemplative)

    Stern: Ok - together now ...

    Stern and Accountant hold hands and chant in unison - Go New York Go New York Go New York Go!

    Evidence B!!!! Where did you get that transcript?

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    Just watched the clip. Maybe I need someone to point it out, but I didn't see anything obviously fishy going on. I thought one or two of the envelopes banged the plastic before landing at the bottom of the ball.

    I felt bad watching Herb Simon at the last moment.
    You could discount the dented evelope and say the corner got creased as the envelope banged around inside the drum as it got turned, but you can't discount the facts:

    1) Comm. Stern touched the first envelope w/both hands w/one hand "caressing" the dented corner. It was the only envelope he handle that way. That's significant. It was as if he purposely but oh, so casually inspected that particular envelope.

    2) You can't prove that he didn't look inside the drum as he reached for the first envelop, but you can't prove he didn't. The camera pans to a close-up of the drum at that moment. But it's clear he didn't look inside the drum at any other pick, nor did he handle any other envelope w/both hands.

    Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm...???"

    Just think had the Pacers got the #1 pick in '85 they could have had Patrick Ewing and eventually Reggie Miller whom they picked 2 yrs later!

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    I looked at it straight through, and I saw the signs without needing to know what to look for. The 4th envelope (the only one that didn't go into the drum smoothly?) was akwardly hit into the drum. I can understand if a few went into the drum like that.. or were close to that, but all envelopes went in fine besides that.

    It was apparent that the one Stern pulled out was the one that was dented and not put into the drum properly. When he pulls it out u can see how he's holding it, and can tell that the top right corner is dented (top left for Stern) I didn't even have to pause it to see it.

    After that envelope, he's pretty much carefree.. reaching in with one hand and just handing them off like whatever.

    I had never seen this before, and must admit that things look shady... but David Stern always has that look about him.

    It would be nice for a makeup 22 years down the road, for a lottery that's being held on May 22nd..... oooooo!!

    If there is a conspiracy, my bet is that the Celtics will get the #1, so another one of the storied franchises can get back to contending. If that's the case..... we'll take #2 Mr. Stern!

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    Yeah, the Simons can cash in this year on the promised make-up call that Stern owes them. Did anyone outside of Indiana think that the NBA was going to let Patrick go to the Pacers?

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    Had I some free time, I would re-cut that lottery into the gatorade commercial where jordan misses the last shot. In the first version Stern would pull the Pacers, and look dismayed.

    After the scientists help him and the accomplice rehydrate...

    Jordan hits his shot, Clark catches the touchdown, and Stern correctly pulls the marked envelope. End shot B&W of his face with neon sweat.

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    I think anyone who believes that draft lottery was somehow fixed, must be someone who believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

    There is no way David Stern could have seen known which of those had a folded corner on it. He grabs from the middle of the pack, he grabs one of the envelopes, turns it over and pulls it out. You say, well that is a strange way to pull somehting out of a drum like that, well he did the exact soame manuever with pick 5. He did not hunt and peck for a certain envelope nor did he even really look for more than a second.

    Another absurd theory.

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    As a counterpoint, UB I would say anyone who thinks that there is no way it could have been rigged is gullible. This was as simple as a low-grade street magician trick.

    Not believing it happened, I can understand.

    Not believing it could happen is what I find mind-boggling.

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    As a counterpoint, UB I would say anyone who thinks that there is no way it could have been rigged is gullible. This was as simple as a low-grade street magician trick.

    Not believing it happened, I can understand.

    Not believing it could happen is what I find mind-boggling.
    It could happen - fraud is pretty common in our society.

    IMO it would never happen the way people are saying based on that video.

    Way too much left to chance. First, you have to know that the envelope would bend. Second, you would have to know that no other envelopes would bend - when the drum was turned several envelopes dropped edge-first against the side of the drum. All it would take is one other and the whole system gets screwed up.

    If they'd wanted to rig the lottery there are much better ways to do it - a better way would be to design an envelope that looks identical to all the others but has a slightly different texture to it. Stern & the accountant are the only ones who needs to handle those.

    The freezer thing also made more sense but in that case the accountant wouldn't have been standing there, holding the envelopes under his arm for several minutes while Stern was talking. There are probably others if I wanted to really give it some thought.

    Leaving it to the chance that they'd be able to bend a corner by chucking it against the drum is completely unrealistic. If it was important enough to them to cheat, they'd have found a way to do it that didn't leave nearly as much to chance.

    What's funny is people creating fraud based on this when it was done out in the open - but never saying a word when Orlando had 1 ping-pong ball out of all of them and won the lottery with a drawing done in a back room. I'm not going to create a conspiracy but if you wanted to cheat that's how you do it - not by drawing huge envelopes in front of everyone.
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    As a counterpoint, UB I would say anyone who thinks that there is no way it could have been rigged is gullible. This was as simple as a low-grade street magician trick.

    Not believing it happened, I can understand.

    Not believing it could happen is what I find mind-boggling.
    Could it happen? Sure, but about anything could happen. But it wouldn't and it certainly didn't

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    Could it happen? Sure, but about anything could happen. But it wouldn't and it certainly didn't

    The nba was fighting for its life at that time. Stern who is really just a businessman was chosen to resurrect professional basketball. No way the marque player was going to an ex-aba franchise and not to the mega nba team. Sorry if you think that is cynical. Perhaps that would not happen today but back then?

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