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    I don't know if it's meaningless or not, but I like the approach/attitude our rookie seems to be taking.

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    Earlier this season, the Indiana Pacers considered sending rookie Shawne Williams to the NBA Development League.


    Now, with their accumulation of injuries and losses, he's getting his developmental opportunity with them.


    After spending the season's first 22 games on the inactive list, Williams has played double-figure minutes in eight of the past 10 games heading into tonight's meeting with San Antonio at Conseco Fieldhouse.


    He has shown flashes of why the Pacers made him the 17th pick in last June's draft, such as when he scored 13 points in his NBA debut at Chicago on Dec. 11 and when he scored 19 at New Jersey on Wednesday.


    He also has shown the lack of refinement that inevitably comes with 21-year-old rookies.


    "He really has talent and he'll be a terrific player, but he's going to have to work in the summers and get technique that's going to work (in games)," Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said.


    "He's kind of taking what comes to him right now. But he's got enough talent that someday he can make the play and make it happen."


    Coach Rick Carlisle said he has tweaked his offense to create opportunities for Williams, who is averaging 3.1 points and 1.5 rebounds in his 37 appearances, and plans to continue using him as one of his first two options off the bench.


    "I've got a lot of learning to do," Williams said. "There's a lot of stuff I mess up on that people probably don't notice."


    Williams missed all but the first summer league game last year after injuring his hamstring but looks forward to a busier summer. He'll do his work at Conseco Fieldhouse.


    "I'm a resident of Indianapolis. I've got to be here with my house," he said.

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    I believe I saw the first play ran for Williams in the last game. That was great.



    Shawne can be absolutely remarkable, and I hope...hope we keep him. He says there's a lot of stuff he messes up on, but honestly, less than Granger at this point.

    I just hope he doesn't develop bad habits by watching his teammates play. He has a very high offensive IQ, and he's very energetic and active; I'd hate to see that go away.

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    Default Re: I like what Williams is saying

    Yes he does mess up on a lot of stuff, but not as much as Ike or maybe even Granger

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    Sounds like the kid has a good attitude, the kind the Pacers are going to need while rebuilding.

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    Yes he does mess up on a lot of stuff, but not as much as Ike or maybe even Granger
    granger has many more opportunities to mess things up than shawne does. we're not counting on shawne to be our #2 option and our lead perimeter defender.
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    To me, the fact that he is sticking around in Indy and working on his game in a very structured environment is a great, great sign of what he has the chance of developing into. I really like that attitude, and I haven't said that about any Pacer besides Jermaine in quite a little while.
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    Earlier this season, the Indiana Pacers considered sending rookie Shawne Williams to the NBA Development League.


    Now, with their accumulation of injuries and losses, he's getting his developmental opportunity with them.


    After spending the season's first 22 games on the inactive list, Williams has played double-figure minutes in eight of the past 10 games heading into tonight's meeting with San Antonio at Conseco Fieldhouse.
    Sounds like he could've spent the first 22 games in the developmental league playing ball and getting minutes....

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    I think Ike, Greene, Granger, Shawne shouldn't be allowed out of the circle city by the Indianapolis Congress.

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    I too really really REALLY like the fact that he feels like he's here and needs to BE HERE.

    I know he could live anywhere and all that yada yada but strictly being a cheerleader, I really like that he has a home here and wants to be here and (by extension) be part of the community full time. I really feel that if the players actually lived here they'd stop ****ting in their backyards (getting into barfights etc).
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    Yes he does mess up on a lot of stuff, but not as much as Ike or maybe even Granger
    Nope, not as much. Clearly better awareness than either of them.

    He did do this the other day - saw a man open at the arc due to rotations and left his man alone in the paint to go defend him...whoops. Open dunk vs open 3, not really a choice.

    But honestly that's a rare thing. I noted in a game thread the other day that Rick was using him as the "decision" point guy in the 3-2 zone instead of Danny. That said a lot to me (and I was glad he did it). What that means ATClowns is that he IS getting those chances that Danny was getting, specifically because each time he does he performs the task better from a decision standpoint.

    Watch Shawne off the ball, he's constantly reading the situation and looking for a way to improve it by spacing. He'll fill the weakside gap if his man goes to double (Granger just hawks the arc holding his hands up like a good pass is going cross court through a double somehow), he'll slide around if he's bringing his defender too close to the ball.

    He seems to understand WHY things are being done the way they are. Smart kid it appears. Very impressed with his game this year. He'll add the offensive consistancy with time, just like Danny has been doing (already much better this year than last).

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    Danny Granger, Shawne Williams and Ike Diogu along with keeping Jermaine is what the Pacers should build around.Orien Greene will never be an NBA rotaion player getting 20 minutes a night.

    Even though most here are down on Troy Murphy , I think he fits a role here and hopefully next training camp the coach (whoever it is)will find a way to make him more of the offense. With his salary numbers very unlikely he'll be traded.

    Shawne Williams and Danny Granger appear to be mirror images on offense both are in love with the 3 point line. But both appear to have the ability to take it to the rack. We heard Danny has a good post up game saw flashes last season but little of it this year.

    If Shawne develops as some think he can will be interesting to see exactly where he and Granger fit on this team.

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    Shawne seems to bring it despite the circumstances. IMO he does not 'look' to carry himself as beaten the way that some of the guys do 3/4 through the game. May be that is because he is genuinely grateful for the minutes, happy to play, and has little to loose. Still, a lot of the time, if you look beat you may as well be. If you don't expect to loose at least you keep the intensity - and that is a lot of what the team needs.

    I find myself wondering if our shooters were more confident - would the shots go down more? It is almost like there is a reluctance sometimes. If you don't think you are going to hit the shot it shows, and the defense knows it can leave you there.

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    Shawne has a quickness and floor awareness about him. Many times, rookies come in and the quickness of the game is a problem...and they make some dumb moves out there. I don't see that as being a problem for him. He makes many good, quick decisions. When left open, he has an accurate shot with good range.

    He is definitely a bright spot on this team. It will be interesting to see how good he can be...and how his game develops. He seems to have the right attitude. Hopefully he is a worker too.

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    Watch Shawne off the ball, he's constantly reading the situation and looking for a way to improve it by spacing. He'll fill the weakside gap if his man goes to double (Granger just hawks the arc holding his hands up like a good pass is going cross court through a double somehow), he'll slide around if he's bringing his defender too close to the ball.

    He seems to understand WHY things are being done the way they are. Smart kid it appears. Very impressed with his game this year. He'll add the offensive consistancy with time, just like Danny has been doing (already much better this year than last).

    This is what I'm worried about. He has this as an edge against other players, and I'm afraid his teammates' bad habits will set in.

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    BTW, I'm not actually down on Granger at all. He's developing at a pace similar to Pippen. His game is coming along just fine I think.

    He's just the natural comparison for Shawne because of age and position. It might just be that Shawne is ahead of the curve more in terms of game awareness, maybe that's one of Shawne's main assets. He might never match DG in other areas.


    I wish the team wasn't in a tough spot on talent because I would love to keep JO, Shawne and Granger no matter what. I like Greene as a specialist, Tins or Dun I could live with if either they could make shots all the time or they were paired with a guy outside that could.

    But 7, 4, 33 are the guys I most want to watch play over the next 5 years. I will follow them even if they leave Indy.

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    But 7, 4, 33 are the guys I most want to watch play over the next 5 years. I will follow them even if they leave Indy.

    Couldn't agree with you more. And I'd probably put them in that order, for the time being.

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    I like Ike stroke when shooting

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    It's sad to say this, but with how badly we've gotten at developing players, I'd rather he didn't stay in town over the summer. If he goes to someplace like Houston or Atlanta he'll play against a wider array of players and probably learn more.
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    It's sad to say this, but with how badly Rick Carlisle's coaching staff is at developing players, I'd rather he didn't stay in town over the summer. If he goes to someplace like Houston or Atlanta he'll play against a wider array of players and probably learn more.
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    Fixed!
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    But Larry sure does play a mean game of Horse, don't he!
    Not exactly. He's the guy who lost to the cripple, right?

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    Not exactly. He's the guy who lost to the cripple, right?

    (Is that in bad taste?)
    Eh, if he gets his feelings hurt, I'm sure he's got some hundred dollar bills lying around he can dry his eyes on.

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    I like Ike stroke when shooting

    Edit: It should be "I Like Shawne stroke when shooting"

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