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    So, after pooring over the bottom 10 standings, I started looking at draft boards, and I happened to click on ESPN's mock draft game. Now, granted, this didn't come up first (I believe by default the first one goes with the odds), but I only had to click 5 times to get this:



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    "So you're saying there's still a chance?"

    Let's hope for some luck ala New York Knicks mid 80s

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    So, after pooring over the bottom 10 standings, I started looking at draft boards, and I happened to click on ESPN's mock draft game. Now, granted, this didn't come up first (I believe by default the first one goes with the odds), but I only had to click 5 times to get this:



    It took me about 250 tries to get a top 3 pick on THR. 0.75, back to reality.

    Although honestly, hasn't this team racked up enough bad luck to deserve a monster make-up from the basketball gods. If ever a team deserved a break...


    Our luck they pick 3 and add Noah, yet another SF for the team. Or they follow the insane dreams of some posters and draft Acie Law 16 picks too soon and look like idiots. Or they take the Chinese kid who goes out like 70% of the tall, raw prospects do (becomes nothing).


    One thing is for sure, after tonight I realized that this team has enough to overcome the losing by all comers, they actually have found a way to out lose other teams when it seemed impossible. Honestly I thought they put a real effort into winning vs ORL and still couldn't.

    Short of Oden, this draft won't even make a dent into the mess TPTB have created. Can we keep Rick and change management first and see how that goes?


    BTW, you have to get to 7th just to get around a 5% chance. Tell you lottery fans what, let's bet your house vs my house on a game I have 95% chance of winning. That'll be fun.

    I hope Thorton or Green don't become Haskin part 2.

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    The more we lose the higher the number goes.

    My room mate from last year and I were talking and he said if we were lucky enough to get the number one pick. We should trade as many people as possible to get a pick that would give us a solid chance to get a certain PG that plays for Ohio State. His ideal plan would have us keeping Granger. And building around those 3. With Williams and Ike as possible other components.

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    I'd settle for 9/10 pick and get Hibbert or Law. Hibbert preferably, if we could get a solid point thru trade. JO always wants a true center. Give him one for once.

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    I'd settle for 9/10 pick and get Hibbert or Law. Hibbert preferably, if we could get a solid point thru trade. JO always wants a true center. Give him one for once.
    He also wants to be traded if this season doesn't work out. Maybe its time we start doing whats best for the team not saying I wouldn't be satisfied with Hibbert or law. But if JO wants to go, and judging by his comments he does. Just do it.

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    Guys, I tend to agree with Naptown here. If we are really this bad, we're going to have a sweet pick next year, and for a few years to come. Why not give up a #10 right now and have a shot at guys like Mayo, Gordon, or Rose next year? If TPTB really want to be in this draft, I'm sure they could find a deal that gets them in, especially if JO demands to leave like some think
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    Guys, I tend to agree with Naptown here. If we are really this bad, we're going to have a sweet pick next year, and for a few years to come. Why not give up a #10 right now and have a shot at guys like Mayo, Gordon, or Rose next year? If TPTB really want to be in this draft, I'm sure they could find a deal that gets them in, especially if JO demands to leave like some think
    Why not try and get a top 10 this year. Trade all our vets for youth and picks. Now Oden may be good, but he and Granger aren't going to keep us out of the lottery. We can tank try for a high pick this year. And still suck next year and god after Rose or Gordon. Hell we could suck for years.

    Or is the pick we gave Atlanta only top 10 protected this year.

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    So, after pooring over the bottom 10 standings, I started looking at draft boards, and I happened to click on ESPN's mock draft game. Now, granted, this didn't come up first (I believe by default the first one goes with the odds), but I only had to click 5 times to get this:



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    BTW guys we realistically have a shot at the 5th worst record in the league if we lose out. That would really up our chances at winning.

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    Why not try and get a top 10 this year. Trade all our vets for youth and picks. Now Oden may be good, but he and Granger aren't going to keep us out of the lottery. We can tank try for a high pick this year. And still suck next year and god after Rose or Gordon. Hell we could suck for years.

    Or is the pick we gave Atlanta only top 10 protected this year.
    No one wants our vets for their youth. You don't think they love their youth just as much?

    GS was sitting around just like Pacers fans were saying "no one wants Dun and Murph with these deals, we are screwed, and even Ike isn't panning out, who would even think of dealing with us".

    Then TPTB called them up and took bad choices to a new level.


    I say it in every single thread - ATLANTA GETS THE PACERS PICK!

    That's not my opinion, it's fact. The longer it goes on the worse the protection on it gets. This year's #10 might cost you next year's #9 or the year after's #6 or the year after that it might be the freaking #1, and if the Pacers protect the pick 3 straight years by being bottom 10, 8 and 5 consecutively then that #1 pick starts looking very likely.

    The fact is the Pacers have an AS PF in a big contract. What they don't have is backcourt players. This year is a front court draft, next year is a backcourt draft. You don't even know how good the players in the drafts 3-4 years down the line could be.

    People say Oden is once in a lifetime, which is just stupid. Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Melo, Ming, Howard, Paul...big impact players show up just about every draft, sometimes several in one draft. The next Oden is just a few years away, and if we give up the #1 pick then to get a #8 pick now for a team that needs a lot more help than one draft pick it's going to look bad.

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    BTW, do you know what happens to losing teams in small markets with low attendence?

    Ask Charlotte and Vancouver for starters. Ask Seattle and New Orleans what battles they've been in.

    What good is a lottery pick when it goes to the new Vegas franchise?

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    BTW, do you know what happens to losing teams in small markets with low attendence?

    Ask Charlotte and Vancouver for starters. Ask Seattle and New Orleans what battles they've been in.

    What good is a lottery pick when it goes to the new Vegas franchise?
    Should I start exaggerating now.

    The Grizz were a whopping 6 years new.

    And The Hornets moved over a dispute about an arena.

    And I think thats seattles problem as well.

    The Hornets once again, We are nowhere near the disaster the Hornets suffered through and come on, once again NO HISTORY

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    Guys, I tend to agree with Naptown here. If we are really this bad, we're going to have a sweet pick next year, and for a few years to come. Why not give up a #10 right now and have a shot at guys like Mayo, Gordon, or Rose next year? If TPTB really want to be in this draft, I'm sure they could find a deal that gets them in, especially if JO demands to leave like some think
    Although I have been hoping for a "pick" instead of the Playoffs....I will admit that the projected top 10 picks are made up of SFs, PFs, and Centers.....all Frontcourt players at positions that we do not need.

    Conley and Law may indeed be stretches at the 10th pick and below...both of which probably aren't good enough to start for another season.

    Unless we get the pick...and trade down.....then I have no idea what we should do. I guess it all depends on what TPTB decide to do with JONeal......and I would guess that the decision is going to have to be made soon.
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    The fact is the Pacers have an AS PF in a big contract. What they don't have is backcourt players. This year is a front court draft, next year is a backcourt draft. You don't even know how good the players in the drafts 3-4 years down the line could be.

    People say Oden is once in a lifetime, which is just stupid. Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Melo, Ming, Howard, Paul...big impact players show up just about every draft, sometimes several in one draft. The next Oden is just a few years away, and if we give up the #1 pick then to get a #8 pick now for a team that needs a lot more help than one draft pick it's going to look bad.
    Many of us are looking to the draft to try to improve on this team in the offseason...while you're one of the few that are pushing for the Playoffs so that we can let this pick go.

    Most of us here cling to the hope of what a draft pick ( any draft pick ) can do to help repair this messed up team...while you're primary stance is that the pick will likely do very little to help our situation ( at least for the upcoming season...which I partially agree with ). If letting Atlanta keep the pick is the plan, what is your offseason plan to try to fix this team ( trade someone on our current roster for a pick, dabble in the Free Agent Market, get rid of JONeal or Carlisle, etc. )?

    BTW....I don't mean for this post to come off as a "Well, what do you suggest we do Mr. SmartyPants?" post....since I am so focused on what we have to do to fix this team in the offseason with so little options at our disposal....I honestly would like to hear what your ideas are ( if keeping a draft pick isn't gonna be an option ) to improve the team.
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    "So you're saying there's still a chance?"
    Haha, classic!

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    BTW, do you know what happens to losing teams in small markets with low attendence?

    Ask Charlotte and Vancouver for starters. Ask Seattle and New Orleans what battles they've been in.

    What good is a lottery pick when it goes to the new Vegas franchise?
    Maybe I'm naive but I don't think that would ever happen. The fan base here has been pretty supportive over a number of years. I really don't think Herb and Mel would let that happen either. I think the odds of any major league sports team ending up in Vegas is virtually non-existent. I think it might be a good "showcase" city but as far as long range support - ain't gonna happen. Way too many other things to do.
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    We recently had a 5th overall draft pick.......His name was Jonathan Bender.
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    We recently had a 5th overall draft pick.......His name was Jonathan Bender.
    We recently had a 17th overall draft pick....his name was Danny Granger...a guy who played on all star weekend....a guy who has nearly doubled his point production from his rookie year...a young player who has been asked to guard the best player on the other team all the time now....a guy who has been forced to the perimeter for the sake of the team to learn a new role.

    I do believe we improved from that draft pick. Just think what we could get with a higher pick. BTW, Bender was a very unlucky, unfortunate situation that is not likely to repeat.

    The only way this team will improve in the next 3-4 years is the draft or a miracle trade. I am not waiting around for a miracle at this point.

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    Maybe I'm naive but I don't think that would ever happen. The fan base here has been pretty supportive over a number of years. I really don't think Herb and Mel would let that happen either. I think the odds of any major league sports team ending up in Vegas is virtually non-existent. I think it might be a good "showcase" city but as far as long range support - ain't gonna happen. Way too many other things to do.
    It's not going to happen in the short term IMO. If we stink for 10 years, that's another story. The truth is, this team is not that far from being pretty good. We are missing a couple key pieces that would make us a playoff team again. Not a contender. A playoff team.

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    That's not my opinion, it's fact. The longer it goes on the worse the protection on it gets. This year's #10 might cost you next year's #9 or the year after's #6 or the year after that it might be the freaking #1, and if the Pacers protect the pick 3 straight years by being bottom 10, 8 and 5 consecutively then that #1 pick starts looking very likely.

    The fact is the Pacers have an AS PF in a big contract. What they don't have is backcourt players. This year is a front court draft, next year is a backcourt draft. You don't even know how good the players in the drafts 3-4 years down the line could be.

    People say Oden is once in a lifetime, which is just stupid. Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Melo, Ming, Howard, Paul...big impact players show up just about every draft, sometimes several in one draft. The next Oden is just a few years away, and if we give up the #1 pick then to get a #8 pick now for a team that needs a lot more help than one draft pick it's going to look bad.
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    We recently had a 17th overall draft pick....his name was Danny Granger...a guy who played on all star weekend....a guy who has nearly doubled his point production from his rookie year...a young player who has been asked to guard the best player on the other team all the time now....a guy who has been forced to the perimeter for the sake of the team to learn a new role.

    I do believe we improved from that draft pick. Just think what we could get with a higher pick. BTW, Bender was a very unlucky, unfortunate situation that is not likely to repeat.

    The only way this team will improve in the next 3-4 years is the draft or a miracle trade. I am not waiting around for a miracle at this point.
    Talent plus good coaching equals playoffs and a fun team to watch and enjoy. I believe the draft is the only long term hope of these things happening again. We will have to live with some tough years but that is
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    Let's hope for some luck ala New York Knicks mid 80s
    If I remember correctly, the year after Orlando drafted Shaq, they were the last team in the lottery and won it again, that time drafting Webber and trading him for Penny and like 3 draft picks.
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    The Lord of the Darkside just told me that Durrant and Oden are staying in school. Pray all you want it won't make a difference.













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