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    I'm only making this because nobody else did. I have no other words except goodnight!

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    I don't have much to say about the game. I watched the whole thing, but there just isn't anything to say.

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    Default Re: 3/21/07 Pacers @ Spurs Post Game Thread

    I thought the fact that there wasn't one pretty much summed it up.

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    at the beginning of the season who would have thought the New York Knicks would have the same win/lose record as our Pacers at this point in the season...wow.
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    This must be what its like when the life is sucked right out of a franchise...
    ...Still "flying casual"
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    This must be what its like when the life is sucked right out of a franchise...
    It isn't too much fun right now.

    What I hate more than anything (and it brings back vivid nightmares from the 80's) is that the Pacers can play pretty well, they can play pretty hard, they can seemingly be in the game for the most part. All that can be taking place, but when I'm watching the game I have zero confidence that the Pacers team might actually win.

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    Yeah, I agree, UB, we can be in a game, and the game will look like it will be close, but then bam, we're down 24 points. Sucks.

    Is it wrong I still hope we make the playoffs just because I love the playoffs and the Pacers and no playoffs isn't right?

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    Yeah, I agree, UB, we can be in a game, and the game will look like it will be close, but then bam, we're down 24 points. Sucks.

    Is it wrong I still hope we make the playoffs just because I love the playoffs and the Pacers and no playoffs isn't right?
    thought you didn't care anymore????


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    its an odd feeling, having one major sports team win it all, then have another do so bad...very odd indeedy
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    13-0 run in the early to mid 3rd with Tinsley out, no Quis, and JO clearly hurting. Not exactly a surprise.

    What's killing me is just how obviously the team has become a 2 man show - Tins and JO. Tins is playing sloppy and careless and it annoys me, but at times I can't even blame him. I can't take any more of the Dun/Troy/Granger black hole on offense paired with similar issues on defense.

    They run sets for them and they can't make wide open looks. Dun flies to the lane and can't finish the floater/layup. On and on it goes.

    As a fan I just have zero confidence in those guys, I don't really feel like anyone other than perhaps Ike at times can be considered a legit (not broken plays) scoring threat out of a set offense. Dun seemed to have found his offense via the 2pt shot a week or so ago, but then he starts to run ice cold again and the team struggles because of it.

    Every so often Dun, Troy and/or DG will get hot and the team looks better, but the Pacers simply don't have the extra scoring help beyond JO/Tins that they can rely on.

    And when one of your go-to scorers is typically shooting in the low 40's with a low 30's 3P% you know your team is out of options.


    Maybe Rick is gone, but it won't make a bit of difference if this roster isn't adjusted in a major way again this summer. They forced that stupid GS trade and it's been punching them in the groin ever since. There is just nowhere near enough talent on the team.


    I still think they can make the postseason, and I also think that they aren't getting a top 10 pick this year anyway so they might as well push for the playoffs and a couple of home games for revenue bumps (and to keep the LONGEST streak in the NBA alive - tied with SA of course).

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    but the Pacers simply don't have the extra scoring help beyond JO/Tins that they can rely on.
    They don't have scoring help from JO/Tins either.


    And when one of your go-to scorers is typically shooting in the low 40's with a low 30's 3P% you know your team is out of options.


    Maybe Rick is gone, but it won't make a bit of difference if this roster isn't adjusted in a major way again this summer. They forced that stupid GS trade and it's been punching them in the groin ever since. There is just nowhere near enough talent on the team.
    They weren't going far the other way either. They were going to be somebody's first round knockout whether they made the GS trade or not IMHO. It was only a matter of time before the wheels flew off this thing.

    This season was torpedoed 8 games into it when JO balked at the coach's authority, balked at TPTB's plans, and instead of getting the coach's back he stuck a knife in it. It doesn't even matter if JO was right or was wrong in what he said... A: He's not the coach. B: He didn't give anything a chance. C: He did one of the worst things possible when he undermined Carlisle's authority to run this team.



    I still think they can make the postseason, and I also think that they aren't getting a top 10 pick this year anyway so they might as well push for the playoffs and a couple of home games for revenue bumps (and to keep the LONGEST streak in the NBA alive - tied with SA of course).
    No... This team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs AND management can't be trusted to do the right thing if by some miracle this team would back into the playoffs. This season needs to die the death it deserves (was it Hicks who said that?). Draft pick or not, I don't want this mess of a team giving management any second thoughts about what needs to be done. Just say "no" to making the playoffs as someone's punching bag.

    And on another note....

    I can't believe anyone would still even want Tinsley on the team after the crap he pulled tonight. I could maybe understand it if there was a reason to be frustrated on the court but he CLEARLY charged and he CLEARLY made a bad play (not that there's anything unusual in that). And I believe he tossed the ball as a premediated act to get kicked out of the game. It didn't look spur of the moment. Perhaps his favorite San Antonio nightspot was closing early and he didn't want to miss last call?

    Can we just forfeit the remaining games?



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    So far it looks like GS came on top of this trade.

    Jax > Dun (not to mention the contract)
    Al > Murph (not to mention the contract)
    Saras > Keith
    Powell = Ike (at this point at least)

    Of course a lot depends on Ik's future development Vs Powell's, but I wonder if we would have made the trade again, had we the option to decide it now. Probably not.

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    So far it looks like GS came on top of this trade.

    Jax > Dun (not to mention the contract)
    Al > Murph (not to mention the contract)
    Saras > Keith
    Powell = Ike (at this point at least)

    Of course a lot depends on Ik's future development Vs Powell's, but I wonder if we would have made the trade again, had we the option to decide it now. Probably not.
    Umm, no. Ike is already better than Powell. There isn't even a debate on that. That trade just seems so, I don't know exactly what word to use, but pointless seems ok. I mean I'm just not sure why we did it now, at all.

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    So far it looks like GS came on top of this trade.

    Jax > Dun (not to mention the contract)
    Al > Murph (not to mention the contract)
    Saras > Keith
    Powell = Ike (at this point at least)

    Of course a lot depends on Ik's future development Vs Powell's, but I wonder if we would have made the trade again, had we the option to decide it now. Probably not.
    I'm pretty sure they'd still do it. The deal wasn't done for this season, the deal was done for the future of the team. Ridding ourselves of a team cancer (Jackson), picking up a potential J.O. replacement (Ike), and making Granger, Quis, and Shawne a bigger part of the team. Dunleavy and Murphy probably weren't even looked at as a big part of the deal, just two solid role players and likely backups on next years team. Sure their salaries suck, but you've gotta do what you've gotta do to make the team better in the long run.

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    I for one am not happy how things are going game wise but I am glad the
    Jackson trade was made. Some more trades are needed to rid the team
    of all traces of knuckleheaddom. Yes things are bleak but brighter days are
    ahead. It may take 3 more years but it will get better. The fans are spoiled.
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    So far it looks like GS came on top of this trade.

    Jax > Dun (not to mention the contract)
    Al > Murph (not to mention the contract)
    Saras > Keith
    Powell = Ike (at this point at least)

    Of course a lot depends on Ik's future development Vs Powell's, but I wonder if we would have made the trade again, had we the option to decide it now. Probably not.

    I believe with all my heart that this was the best trade we could have gotten for Jackson. No other team would have taken him. So yes I think it was a trade they would have done again.

    One thing that I found interesting. During the Rockets game, if you listened to Doug Collins carefully. What he didn't say I think speaks volumes. First he said he had lunch with Rick Carlisle (they must be friends of some sort) and all Doug kept saying during the telecast is how the Pacers were forced to make the trade that they had to make it. He never once even hinted at "well maybe they could have waited for a better trade". So I took that to mean that Rick made it clear to him that Pacers knew this was the best deal they could get. And also Doug is pretty close to Mike Dunleavy - both Mike Dunleavy's

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    I believe with all my heart that this was the best trade we could have gotten for Jackson. No other team would have taken him. So yes I think it was a trade they would have done again.

    One thing that I found interesting. During the Rockets game, if you listened to Doug Collins carefully. What he didn't say I think speaks volumes. First he said he had lunch with Rick Carlisle (they must be friends of some sort) and all Doug kept saying during the telecast is how the Pacers were forced to make the trade that they had to make it. He never once even hinted at "well maybe they could have waited for a better trade". So I took that to mean that Rick made it clear to him that Pacers knew this was the best deal they could get. And also Doug is pretty close to Mike Dunleavy - both Mike Dunleavy's
    I agree with this. Jack needed to go. Al they probably could have kept but things were still not working out. We can't complain about the trade. Just be glad we got any talent back and some young talent as well.

    What makes me mad is how what forced Jack to be traded is the way the infamous "common fan" turned on him. He was our best perimeter defender, most intense competitor, and had been playing well since that early season injury (that he fought through, like all his injuries). Horrible that we were forced to trade Jack...but we were.

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    I believe with all my heart that this was the best trade we could have gotten for Jackson. No other team would have taken him. So yes I think it was a trade they would have done again.

    One thing that I found interesting. During the Rockets game, if you listened to Doug Collins carefully. What he didn't say I think speaks volumes. First he said he had lunch with Rick Carlisle (they must be friends of some sort) and all Doug kept saying during the telecast is how the Pacers were forced to make the trade that they had to make it. He never once even hinted at "well maybe they could have waited for a better trade". So I took that to mean that Rick made it clear to him that Pacers knew this was the best deal they could get. And also Doug is pretty close to Mike Dunleavy - both Mike Dunleavy's
    Yeah, and I agree with how he put it: (paraphrased) "They knew they were getting change on the dollar, but they had to make those trades" referring to Ron and Jack. Ultimately, I agree. It just sucks talent-wise.

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    It's been a while since I've had to wonder what it feels like to be one of the worst teams in the league.

    But with the 1-13 tear we're currently on, I wonder no more.

    Btw, I'd like to know what our record is w/o Quis, since the GS trade. The only win that comes to mind is the Atlanta game, and Danny seems to play much worse w/o him.

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    It's been a while since I've had to wonder what it feels like to be one of the worst teams in the league.

    But with the 1-13 tear we're currently on, I wonder no more.

    Btw, I'd like to know what our record is w/o Quis, since the GS trade. The only win that comes to mind is the Atlanta game, and Danny seems to play much worse w/o him.
    I too was interested in the answer to this.

    With Quis: 6-4 (2 of the losses were to the Suns)

    W/O Quis: 4-14

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    ON THE COURT


    The whole suspension stuff from the brawl was ridiculous. We've all covered that. I'm just surprised so many now use that against the players. I thought Stern/Piston fans were the bad guys in all of that.

    And yes it is the coaches fault if players are being selfish on the court or shooting the three too much or not running the plays or arguing with officials. That is an NBA coaches job to keep the players in line on the court in both performance and behavior. What exactly does a coach at this level do? He decides which of the ultra-talented players get to play. They're not teaching free throw shooting fundamentals. If a player can't shoot a free throw...they hire a free throw specialist.

    In the game vs. the Spurs, it was Rick Carlisle's job to recognize that Jamaal Tinsley was frustrated by the pressure defense, lack of calls and direction the game was taking. It was obvious to me that Jamaal was out of control a few minutes before he was ejected. He was pushing Parker on both offense and defense, he was lowering his head and driving with little control and needed to sit down and cool off. Instead, he was left in and exploded. Afterwards, you could see Rick asking Johnny Davis "What did he do?".....he didn't even know why Tinsley was ejected. He didn't recognize an integral part of the team was losing his composure and let it escalate into something that could've easily been avoided.......sounds familiar doesn't it.

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    P.S.

    Jamaal Tinsley acted like a fool. I'm just stating some other issues I feel should be addressed.

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    The whole suspension stuff from the brawl was ridiculous. We've all covered that. I'm just surprised so many now use that against the players. I thought Stern/Piston fans were the bad guys in all of that.
    It doesn't matter if you or I think it was ridiculous. It happened, and that's how history is going to document it.

    Ron missed 70+ some odd games, and Jackson missed 30. End of story. They missed 100+ games combined because they acted like complete idiots.

    Their stupid behavior cost them and the franchise a lot more than wins with their actions.

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    It doesn't matter if you or I think it was ridiculous. It happened, and that's how history is going to document it.

    Ron missed 70+ some odd games, and Jackson missed 30. End of story. They missed 100+ games combined because they acted like complete idiots.

    Their stupid behavior cost them and the franchise a lot more than wins with their actions.
    No-one seems to remember JO was also suspended. It's funny to me how the attitude about the situation changed from "Those suspensions are BS" to "Those guys deserved it because I don't like them now".

    I know my opinion on the subject is unpopular, but that what it is...my opinion. My opinion is Jamaal Tinsley is a good point guard, Stephen Jackson is a good small forward, Al Harrington is a good forward and Ron Artest was a beast at one time. Despite all of their silliness, they have been/will be moved because they can't co-exist with Rick Carlisle. That's 4 of the 5 best players on the team since Rick took over.

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    ON THE COURT


    The whole suspension stuff from the brawl was ridiculous. We've all covered that. I'm just surprised so many now use that against the players. I thought Stern/Piston fans were the bad guys in all of that.

    And yes it is the coaches fault if players are being selfish on the court or shooting the three too much or not running the plays or arguing with officials. That is an NBA coaches job to keep the players in line on the court in both performance and behavior. What exactly does a coach at this level do? He decides which of the ultra-talented players get to play. They're not teaching free throw shooting fundamentals. If a player can't shoot a free throw...they hire a free throw specialist.

    In the game vs. the Spurs, it was Rick Carlisle's job to recognize that Jamaal Tinsley was frustrated by the pressure defense, lack of calls and direction the game was taking. It was obvious to me that Jamaal was out of control a few minutes before he was ejected. He was pushing Parker on both offense and defense, he was lowering his head and driving with little control and needed to sit down and cool off. Instead, he was left in and exploded. Afterwards, you could see Rick asking Johnny Davis "What did he do?".....he didn't even know why Tinsley was ejected. He didn't recognize an integral part of the team was losing his composure and let it escalate into something that could've easily been avoided.......sounds familiar doesn't it.

    To quote from another 70's superstar (Dave Mason, I think): "There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy, ...we just disagree." Or something like that.

    It was pretty much par for the course for Rick to respond to the situation by saying he didn't see it.

    The message from our coach: Tinsley's great. We sure need him. Tough break. We've got to stick together, though....

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