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Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

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  • #16
    Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

    Originally posted by able View Post
    If you guys only thought a few seconds before pressing enter......

    IF we trade JO for 2 "good" players, they have to come from a halway decent team (otherwise they would be crap) which means that the pick is low and this worth little.

    IF we want a food pick, we need to trade with a perennial loser, which means no good plauers in return.

    Egg, meet Chicken, Chicken, meet Egg.
    I would make a decent point here, but it seems as though it has already been presented quite well by JO4MVP2006.

    I thought that the point was intuitively obvious, that's why I did not bother making it. It's something that I knew off the top of my head, and as you state, I didn't require even a few seconds to figure it out.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist. Sometimes my fingers just run ahead of myself before I can begin hitting the delete key.

    But the point is, we have more teams than one might think with which to trade.

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    • #17
      Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

      But to build on my previous post, I would only trade JO for one type of player. I'd probably trade him for a backcourt player that has the skills we need as well as leadership qualities.

      The trade that I would have in mind would be some sort of multi-team trade that would include Heinrich. Not likely, but since I'm the one posting this, it's all about my dream, not yours.

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      • #18
        Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

        I would like to keep JO, but if we did move him, could we get Ray Allen?
        Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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        • #19
          Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

          Originally posted by odeez View Post
          I would like to keep JO, but if we did move him, could we get Ray Allen?
          Maybe, but with Seattles current ownership situation and possible relocation ... I really dunno.

          What's more ... Allen is really not the player I would be trading JO for. IF I would trade JO it would be for a MUCH younger player or multiple (very) high picks (which probably about any "other side" will be very unlikely to want to aggree too) not a player that is in the same age range or older.

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          • #20
            Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

            This has got to be a PR nightmare for the Pacers. Nobody can tell me that the Simons (and Donnie Walsh) have not seen what has transpired under Bird's watch.
            How in the world does a team gracefully dump a Hoosier legend without losing what's left of the fan base? If Bird is allowed to consider trading JO for what he considers a value, there couldn't possibly be any fanbase left, could there?
            The game has changed and the players have changed so much just in the time Bird, McHale and Ainge have left the game that they can't even fathom behavior, character and top ballers all in one package. During their day guys appreciated pay for the game and the Chris Washburns washed out. Kind of extreme, I know, but it makes a point.
            Dammed if they do and don't, I guess. I just don't think we've hit rock bottom yet, and that's scary.

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            • #21
              Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

              Oh they could turn it arround but it would take at least three if's.

              If Marquis could get and stay healthy

              If Jeff can get and stay healthy

              If Rick will figure out that you should start your best player at each position just like all the other teams (at least all of the playoff teams). Put Quis and Jeff in the starting lineup where they belong, we could turn it arround and at least make it out of the first round.

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              • #22
                Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

                Originally posted by Ragnar View Post
                Oh they could turn it arround but it would take at least three if's.

                If Marquis could get and stay healthy

                If Jeff can get and stay healthy

                If Rick will figure out that you should start your best player at each position just like all the other teams (at least all of the playoff teams). Put Quis and Jeff in the starting lineup where they belong, we could turn it arround and at least make it out of the first round.

                Jeff's been very healthy this season. He's only missed one game

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                • #23
                  Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

                  Originally posted by kellogg View Post
                  I suspect that if by some lottery miracle we land Oden or Durant, this will go far in soothing the pain of only 34 wins...
                  If by some MIRACLE this happened, Rick Carlisle would ruin their career.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

                    Originally posted by beast23 View Post

                    ...since I'm the one posting this, it's all about my dream, not yours.
                    I really like that.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

                      Originally posted by special ed View Post

                      How in the world does a team gracefully dump a Hoosier legend without losing what's left of the fan base?

                      If Bird is allowed to consider trading JO for what he considers a value, there couldn't possibly be any fanbase left, could there?
                      For the first part of your post that I have quoted:

                      Simple. DW holds a press conference announcing that he has hired Isiah Thomas as his (insert special title) assistant. At that conference, Isiah assures everyone that he was not brought in to fire Larry Bird.

                      A couple of months later Isiah and Donnie hold a press conference to announce......

                      Okay, seriously, as to the second part of your post that I quoted:

                      I think (I could well be wrong) that JO's popularity may be over-estimated by many on this and other boards. I'm just not sure that the average fan around the state thinks as highly of him as many may assume.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

                        Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                        I think (I could well be wrong) that JO's popularity may be over-estimated by many on this and other boards. I'm just not sure that the average fan around the state thinks as highly of him as many may assume.
                        JO's not that popular on this board, he's just our best player. And the best big man in the Pacers' NBA history. And he works hard, watches his mouth, and doesn't get caught in brawls in places named the Eight Second Saloon.

                        Despite all that, most people would be ok with Jermaine getting traded, if it was a good trade. There's just a lot of skepticism that Larry would make such a trade.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

                          Originally posted by special ed View Post
                          I just don't think we've hit rock bottom yet, and that's scary.
                          That really is scary. Who really has confidence in this management team?

                          Ever since the tail end of the Reggie era, it has been a downhill slide. While that has happened, we have seen several questionable moves. Here is a partial list:

                          1) Acquiring Ron Artest
                          2) Supporting Artest's bad behavior by posing on SI.
                          3) Saying "we don't want any milk drinkers around here"
                          4a) Signing Jonathan Bender to another large contract
                          4b) Trading Brad Miller for Pollard who just walked
                          5a) Signing Croshere to a huge contract
                          5b) Trading him for another bar brawler (Quis) just as his contract was going to expire.
                          6) Acquiring Stephen Jackson. This was probably the worst.
                          7) Supporting Stephen Jackson's bad behavior by never disciplining or benching his disrespectful a$$.
                          8) Acquiring Jamaal Tinsley
                          9) Supporting him to this day which is just simply amazing.
                          10) Failed plan this year of a faster paced team. No shooters, no interior D with an undersized soft middle. Then backing out of the plan.
                          11) Drafting James White and backing out
                          12) Trading Al, bringing him back with much fan fare, backing out again by moving him to Golden State for less talented players with big fat contracts.

                          Certainly they have made a few good moves, but they are far outnumbered by the bad. It should not be shocking to anyone that this team has really been driven into the ground by very, very poor management.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

                            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                            That really is scary. Who really has confidence in this management team?

                            Ever since the tail end of the Reggie era, it has been a downhill slide. While that has happened, we have seen several questionable moves. Here is a partial list:

                            1) Acquiring Ron Artest
                            2) Supporting Artest's bad behavior by posing on SI.
                            3) Saying "we don't want any milk drinkers around here"
                            4a) Signing Jonathan Bender to another large contract
                            4b) Trading Brad Miller for Pollard who just walked
                            5a) Signing Croshere to a huge contract
                            5b) Trading him for another bar brawler (Quis) just as his contract was going to expire.
                            6) Acquiring Stephen Jackson. This was probably the worst.
                            7) Supporting Stephen Jackson's bad behavior by never disciplining or benching his disrespectful a$$.
                            8) Acquiring Jamaal Tinsley
                            9) Supporting him to this day which is just simply amazing.
                            10) Failed plan this year of a faster paced team. No shooters, no interior D with an undersized soft middle. Then backing out of the plan.
                            11) Drafting James White and backing out
                            12) Trading Al, bringing him back with much fan fare, backing out again by moving him to Golden State for less talented players with big fat contracts.

                            Certainly they have made a few good moves, but they are far outnumbered by the bad. It should not be shocking to anyone that this team has really been driven into the ground by very, very poor management.
                            Deciding the 90's team's run was finished in 98-99 and refusing to address Reggie's and Mjax's contract and letting them hang for the 2000 season thus hastening Mark's departure.

                            Trading AD for Bender (5th pick in the draft) even tho the team had an ailing starting center who was talking retirement.

                            Allowing a questionable situation with Dale Davis' contract to arise and more or less taking advantage of a negligent agent. I guess you can argue it was good business but they certainly created bad blood.

                            Signing Rose and Croshere to very 'nice' (for them) contracts.

                            Following the signing of Croshere to a fat (starter sized) contract, traded Dale Davis for JO which immediately unbalanced the lineup and made Croshere's contract instead of just questionable, an albatross.

                            And I personally questioned the wisdom of not re-signing Kevin Ollie at the time. As if we were blessed with backup PG's....

                            Can we mention the Rose PG experiment?

                            How about the initial vote of confidence for Isiah after wasting the 3 previous years? Then the turnaround and firing him that same off-season....

                            How about hiring an inexperienced coach in the first place on the heels of the team's first NBA Finals' appearance???

                            -Bball
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • #29
                              Re: Mike Wells on Sirius NBA Radio this morning.....

                              For reason, I think next year's draft will be more loaded then this year's

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