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    JO needs to wrap it up for the year.

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    JO needs to wrap it up for the year.
    You are correct and not for the purpose of tanking. He has shown that he has the heart and now needs to get himself healthy for next season. I think TPTB are going to use him up just so they can salvage a few more wins for their reputations which IMO sucks.

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    We'll be lucky to get 1 of our next 5 IMO. And the last two are on the road against teams "fighting" us for the lowest playoff seeds. JO's status could also negatively influence this depending on if he plays and/or how effective he is while playing.
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    For those hoping for the "tank", although things could change for this year......a Win/Loss record to look at is a 34 (W) / 48 (L) record.

    Over the last 5 seasons, a team with a 34 win season has had ( at worst ) the 10th worst record in the league and ( at best ) the 8th worst record in the league.

    We are currentlly stuck at 30 wins and would need to win no more then 4 games to ( likely ) get the 9th/10th worst record in the league.
    EXACTLY my point Cable. Thank you.

    The Pacers aren't in a fishbowl here, there are MORE than 10 other teams vying for those bottom 10 spots. And some of them would like to move up in this draft just as much as the Pacers.

    Flip it for a second. Going up instead. If the Pacers were neck in neck with 8 other teams for the final 2 spots in the playoffs and those other teams were winning only 1-2 less games every 10 (at the most) it wouldn't seem very obvious that they were going to make the playoffs.

    In fact that's sort of where they are now and most of the "tank" people think it's obvious they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why? That chance is just as likely as a bottom 10 shot, maybe more so even still.

    This list shows all the other teams trying to do the same thing the Pacers are. What, Sacto and Orlando couldn't use a top 10 pick (or better with extra ping-pong balls in the mix) just as much as the Pacers could? Only the Pacers want to tank out, the other teams won't drop games once they are out of the playoff race? Of course they will, or are as likely to as the Pacers (maybe no teams truly tank, but instead just get discouraged and give up).


    Pacers can lose 52

    Memphis - 52 (0)
    Boston - 48 (4)
    Charlotte - 43 (9)
    Millwaukee - 42 (10)
    Atlanta - 42 (10)

    Philly - 42 (10)
    Seattle - 41 (11)
    Portland - 40 (12)
    SAC - 40 (12)
    Orlando - 38 (14)

    MIN - 38 (14)
    NY - 38 (14)
    OKC - 37 (15)
    GS - 37 (15)
    NJ - 37 (15)

    LAC - 36 (16)

    There are FIFTEEN teams with as many or more losses than the Pacers currently have. Those other teams are going to lose another 7-10 games at least based on going 4-6 to 6-4 over their last 10. Some teams are doing worse than that.

    Maybe NJ and GS make a run, but at the same time a couple of those teams are going to flop down the stretch, like Orlando, Minny or NY. You've got 6-7 teams fighting for that final spot and some of them are going to lose games.


    Let's say the Pacers can win 5-6 more games, subtract that 5-6 from all those numbers and that's how many games those teams need to lose to "beat" Indy.

    You don't think the Knicks are capable of going 6-8? CLE, CLE, DET, DAL, TOR, CHI give you six losses. Then add in games vs NJ, MIN, OKC and ORL that either they lose or another team racing to the bottom loses.

    It's not just in the Pacers hands right now. They do not have a 10th worst record even by PCT. And they are coming out of their HARDEST section of their schedule. The upcoming 3 home games are basically the toughest part of the rest of the season.

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    EXACTLY my point Cable. Thank you.

    The Pacers aren't in a fishbowl here, there are MORE than 10 other teams vying for those bottom 10 spots. And some of them would like to move up in this draft just as much as the Pacers.

    Flip it for a second. Going up instead. If the Pacers were neck in neck with 8 other teams for the final 2 spots in the playoffs and those other teams were winning only 1-2 less games every 10 (at the most) it wouldn't seem very obvious that they were going to make the playoffs.

    In fact that's sort of where they are now and most of the "tank" people think it's obvious they aren't going to make the playoffs. Why? That chance is just as likely as a bottom 10 shot, maybe more so even still.

    This list shows all the other teams trying to do the same thing the Pacers are. What, Sacto and Orlando couldn't use a top 10 pick (or better with extra ping-pong balls in the mix) just as much as the Pacers could? Only the Pacers want to tank out, the other teams won't drop games once they are out of the playoff race? Of course they will, or are as likely to as the Pacers (maybe no teams truly tank, but instead just get discouraged and give up).


    Pacers can lose 52

    Memphis - 52 (0)
    Boston - 48 (4)
    Charlotte - 43 (9)
    Millwaukee - 42 (10)
    Atlanta - 42 (10)

    Philly - 42 (10)
    Seattle - 41 (11)
    Portland - 40 (12)
    SAC - 40 (12)
    Orlando - 38 (14)

    MIN - 38 (14)
    NY - 38 (14)
    OKC - 37 (15)
    GS - 37 (15)
    NJ - 37 (15)

    LAC - 36 (16)

    There are FIFTEEN teams with as many or more losses than the Pacers currently have. Those other teams are going to lose another 7-10 games at least based on going 4-6 to 6-4 over their last 10. Some teams are doing worse than that.

    Maybe NJ and GS make a run, but at the same time a couple of those teams are going to flop down the stretch, like Orlando, Minny or NY. You've got 6-7 teams fighting for that final spot and some of them are going to lose games.


    Let's say the Pacers can win 5-6 more games, subtract that 5-6 from all those numbers and that's how many games those teams need to lose to "beat" Indy.

    You don't think the Knicks are capable of going 6-8? CLE, CLE, DET, DAL, TOR, CHI give you six losses. Then add in games vs NJ, MIN, OKC and ORL that either they lose or another team racing to the bottom loses.

    It's not just in the Pacers hands right now. They do not have a 10th worst record even by PCT. And they are coming out of their HARDEST section of their schedule. The upcoming 3 home games are basically the toughest part of the rest of the season.
    I know that we are not in a vacuum and our chances of getting the 8th to 10th worst record in the league isn't entirely in our hands. What's worse is that I know that there is no guarantee that we will end up with the 8th to 10th worst record even if end up winning only 34 games.

    But you misunderstand me, I am all for "going for the Pick" rather then "going for the Playoffs".....that's why I am aiming for no more then 4 wins for the rest of the season.

    Of the remaining games, which ones do you think we can win?

    Miami ( Home ) - Loss
    Chicago ( Home ) - Loss
    Cleveland ( Home ) - Loss
    @New Jersey ( Away ) - ????
    @Orlando ( Away ) - ????
    San Antonio ( Home ) - Loss
    Detroit ( Home ) - Loss
    @Charlotte ( Away ) - ????
    Boston ( Home ) - ????
    @Philadelphia ( Away ) - ????
    @Milwaukee ( Away ) - ????
    @Miami ( Away ) - Loss
    New Jersey ( Home ) - ????
    @Atlanta ( Away ) - Win
    Washington ( Home ) - Loss

    Can we pull out 3 wins out of those where 5 of them are on the road with 2 of them against teams that we are fighting against for the last playoff spots?

    I can see us losing 7 games and winning at least 1 game. The rest of the 7 games, I simply don't know what the outcome would be.
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    Philly and NJ on the road are likely to be losses as well...particularly with JO lame. Charlotte and Orlando will not be cupcakes either for this team.

    Everyone can simply forget the first half of the season. That team does not exist anymore. Our performance since the all-star break defines this team...and it's very bad....almost all losses. Now, with JO, Foster, Quis, Tinsley and others coming up lame to varying degrees, it will be a bigger struggle.

    It's time for Mr. O'Neal to call it a season and rest that knee...then clap when our draft pick is announced.

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    Philly and NJ on the road are likely to be losses as well...particularly with JO lame. Charlotte and Orlando will not be cupcakes either for this team.

    Everyone can simply forget the first half of the season. That team does not exist anymore. Our performance since the all-star break defines this team...and it's very bad....almost all losses. Now, with JO, Foster, Quis, Tinsley and others coming up lame to varying degrees, it will be a bigger struggle.

    It's time for Mr. O'Neal to call it a season and rest that knee...then clap when our draft pick is announced.
    That's the problem with the whole question about going for the "Pick" rather then the "Playoffs"......I'm greatly concerned that TPTB will try to go fo the Playoffs.....but fall short....but still do good enough to fall out of the "10th place" spot so that we ( likely ) end up without a draft pick.

    That's the "lose-lose" situation and why I wouldn't mind if JONeal ( and even Foster ) sits out for the rest of the season.

    To me......we are at the point where TPTB must decide what's best for the team......continue to run JONeal into the ground and try for a Playoff spot that we may or may not get...or limit his minutes and let Ike and Shawne play, make mistakes and ( likely ) go for that Draft pick.
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    Our performance since the all-star break defines this team...and it's very bad....almost all losses
    Were you not following the schedule thread most of this season? March losses have as much to do with the schedule as the team. I think the trade was an F up, but I also realize that the drop is being over-emphasized by the current circumstances.

    This team with Quis playing is better than Orlando and NJ, and perhaps even a team like Toronto.

    I realize that maybe Quis won't play and that JO is hurting, but I just think too many people are rushing to bury them on schedule losses. I mean just after the trade when the schedule was nice there was plenty of talk of them being one of the elite East teams, something I also didn't agree with.

    Can't they just be a 6-8 seed caliber team which they were supposed to be all along?


    Again, why does Philly want to miss the playoffs yet also have a better record than Indy? If Indy wants to tank why doesn't Philly want to do the same?

    Indy isn't the only player in this situation and they certainly aren't the only team that would like to adjust in the off-season. NJ spent most of this year talking about trading Kidd and Carter, so if they slip just a tad they might want to throw it all in and look for a pick to go with major trades of Kidd and Vince.

    It's not 29 teams looking to win and only the Pacers thinking of going backward. And in fact JO playing in the SA game proves a point I said elsewhere - PLAYERS have no reason to tank, it gains them nothing. Why tank and in the process hurt your own market value just to get a draft pick for an ownership who already let you down or who will trade you long before you get a chance to play alongside that draft pick?

    You really think Bird can walk into the lockerroom and get away with saying "hey guys, let's loose this one for some Chinese prospect that might be a 8th pick bust"? Come on.


    They aren't getting Oden or Durant. Look at the guys running 7th or lower. Are they really worth tanking for? Losing intentionally is a HUGE gamble. You lose the fanbase and you have no way of being certain that the pick will pay off.

    Are you going to answer to the rest of the fanbase when Scott Haskin part 2 is the reward for tanking?

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    Were you not following the schedule thread most of this season? March losses have as much to do with the schedule as the team. I think the trade was an F up, but I also realize that the drop is being over-emphasized by the current circumstances.

    This team with Quis playing is better than Orlando and NJ, and perhaps even a team like Toronto.

    I realize that maybe Quis won't play and that JO is hurting, but I just think too many people are rushing to bury them on schedule losses. I mean just after the trade when the schedule was nice there was plenty of talk of them being one of the elite East teams, something I also didn't agree with.

    Can't they just be a 6-8 seed caliber team which they were supposed to be all along?


    Again, why does Philly want to miss the playoffs yet also have a better record than Indy? If Indy wants to tank why doesn't Philly want to do the same?

    Indy isn't the only player in this situation and they certainly aren't the only team that would like to adjust in the off-season. NJ spent most of this year talking about trading Kidd and Carter, so if they slip just a tad they might want to throw it all in and look for a pick to go with major trades of Kidd and Vince.

    It's not 29 teams looking to win and only the Pacers thinking of going backward. And in fact JO playing in the SA game proves a point I said elsewhere - PLAYERS have no reason to tank, it gains them nothing. Why tank and in the process hurt your own market value just to get a draft pick for an ownership who already let you down or who will trade you long before you get a chance to play alongside that draft pick?

    You really think Bird can walk into the lockerroom and get away with saying "hey guys, let's loose this one for some Chinese prospect that might be a 8th pick bust"? Come on.


    They aren't getting Oden or Durant. Look at the guys running 7th or lower. Are they really worth tanking for? Losing intentionally is a HUGE gamble. You lose the fanbase and you have no way of being certain that the pick will pay off.

    Are you going to answer to the rest of the fanbase when Scott Haskin part 2 is the reward for tanking?
    I see no real shame in this franchise sort of tanking it one half season, especially not since it's the usual suspects that will get good picks do this almost annually (Hawks, Seattle, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Boston, etc) or they atleast get a big amount of high draft picks. It's basically our turn again considering our current talent level.

    And considering how they have picked I think about everyone knows it's not a guarantee that you will get a great player, but I have more faith in our franchises ability to make a decent pick then I have in say Atlanta making theirs.

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    especially not since it's the usual suspects that will get good picks do this almost annually (Hawks, Seattle, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Boston, etc)
    Um, you do realize you just proved why NOT TO DO THIS. "Usual suspects"? Is that what you want the Pacers to be, another one of those teams annually tanking?

    Or maybe those teams just aren't run well and don't need to tank to lose, and the poor management keeps them from benefitting from high picks. Let them keep playing in the lottery s*** pile, playoffs is the ONLY goal a winner ever considers. The minute you accept losing, let alone make it a goal, is the minute you stop being a winner ever. These other teams have proven it.


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    Pacers can lose 51 - # = locked worse than Pacers


    # Memphis
    Boston - 49 (2)
    Charlotte - 44 (7)
    Millwaukee - 42 (9)
    Atlanta - 43 (8)

    Philly - 42 (9)
    Seattle - 41 (10)
    Portland - 40 (11)
    SAC - 40 (11)
    NY - 39 (12)

    Orlando - 38 (13)
    NJ - 38 (13)
    MIN - 39 (13)
    OKC - 38 (14)
    GS - 37 (15)

    LAC - 36 (16)

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    Um, you do realize you just proved why NOT TO DO THIS. "Usual suspects"? Is that what you want the Pacers to be, another one of those teams annually tanking?
    Um, you do realize I didn't type "And considering how they have picked I think about everyone knows it's not a guarantee that you will get a great player, but I have more faith in our franchises ability to make a decent pick then I have in say Atlanta making theirs" just for the heck of it?

    Not to mention I also typed "I see no real shame in this franchise sort of tanking it one half season" in the same post.

    I also find your response "strange" since you seem to be "advancing" the idea of going to the play-offs this year and getting a better, read higher, pick next year, while I think with this years pick and several other factors (like a full summer for the team to get health, focus on certain aspects of their game, going through training camp with the complete or near complete team, development of our young players just to name a few) we will get a lower pick next year. In other words I think we will be better next year and thus won't get a higher pick.

    So, seemingly you expect the team to suck next year or atleast more then this year, so bad that we are going to get something like a top-8 pick and spend it on a PG then as you wrote in one of your other posts, so seems to me you seem to be "wanting" us to suck "annually" more then I seem to want us to .

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    Anybody check to see how fantastic Lamarcus Aldridge is playing as of late what do you guys think the chances of trading them Jeff Foster for Lamarcus Aldridge is? It'd be Dale Davis for Jermaine O'Neal part 2
    . Then poor UB and whoever it was that lamented over losing dale davis can start an "they-traded-my-favorite-big-man-player-for-a-young-guy-with-huge-upside-club." *note to UB and dale davis fan* I'm just teasing

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    Um, you do realize I didn't type "And considering how they have picked I think about everyone knows it's not a guarantee that you will get a great player, but I have more faith in our franchises ability to make a decent pick then I have in say Atlanta making theirs" just for the heck of it?

    Not to mention I also typed "I see no real shame in this franchise sort of tanking it one half season" in the same post.

    I also find your response "strange" since you seem to be "advancing" the idea of going to the play-offs this year and getting a better, read higher, pick next year, while I think with this years pick and several other factors (like a full summer for the team to get health, focus on certain aspects of their game, going through training camp with the complete or near complete team, development of our young players just to name a few) we will get a lower pick next year. In other words I think we will be better next year and thus won't get a higher pick.

    So, seemingly you expect the team to suck next year or atleast more then this year, so bad that we are going to get something like a top-8 pick and spend it on a PG then as you wrote in one of your other posts, so seems to me you seem to be "wanting" us to suck "annually" more then I seem to want us to .

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    No. I think if you buy into the team tanking this year and the situation being that dire then you must expect the team to be just as bad or perhaps worse next year.

    I do think they've traded themselves into some problems, but I think the pick this year and next will be similarly located, and the depth of next year's draft in the backcourt (apparently) makes it more helpful on paper.

    Also my point is that each year you hold Atlanta off you lose your protection more. What happens if the Pacers keep the pick the next few years at 10 and then 8 (still decent players) and then have a Admiral injury situation that vaults them to the #1-2 spot just when the protection is gone. Atlanta gets that pick.

    I simply can't make the assumption that the team is always going to finish better than this season because you never know.

    Because the draft and the team's future seasons are both unknowns I find it foolish that people are trading in them as though they are certainties. Losing games is a certainity. Once done it's done and it impacts the fanbase, but for that loss you get no certain return. It's not a trade, its putting your money on the crap table and hoping the dice go your way.


    A higher draft pick is a COMFORT for a losing team, but it's definitely not a certain solution to a problem. IF you lose then you can say "well, at least we have that pick", but the reason you are getting that pick is to win in the playoffs.

    Skipping the playoffs for a chance to win in the playoffs is a contradiction IMO.

    And my point about the Pacers being better run than those teams INCLUDES being smart enough not to buy into tanking as a solution, regardless of whether they will make a better pick. That's part of the problem, the allure that a high draft pick will fix your team.

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    updated after Monday games.
    Pacers can lose 51 - # = locked worse than Pacers

    # Memphis
    Boston - 49 (2)
    Charlotte - 45 (6)
    Atlanta - 45 (6)
    Millwaukee - 44 (7)

    Philly - 42 (9) 6-4 last 10
    Seattle - 42 (9) 3-7 last 10
    Portland - 42 (9) 4-6 last 10
    SAC - 40 (11) 2-8 last 10
    NY - 40 (11) 3-7 last 10

    MIN - 39 (12) 4-6 last 10
    GS - 39 (12) 6-4 last 10
    Orlando - 38 (13) 5-5 last 10
    NJ - 38 (13) 4-6 last 10
    OKC - 38 (13) 4-6 last 10

    LAC - 36 (15) 5-5 last 10


    Games of note for MON and TUE (no MEM since they are eliminated already)

    TOR @ BOS
    ATL @ MIA
    ORL @ NYK (one must fall)
    POR @ CHI
    MIL @ HOU
    SA @ GS

    CLE @ IND
    DAL @ OKC
    SEA @ MIN (one must fall)

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    Hey Seth just wanted to say I appreciate the effort you have put into keeping this thread up to date during your free time.

    I can't believe how close some of these teams are to matching us in the win column. I think the only team that won't catch us shortly as far as number of wins go in the west is Seattle and Memphis everyone else has a legitimate chance of getting an equal amount or more like Portland and Minnesota. The East however I don't know if any other teams will end up catching us other than Orlando and New York...Philly, Charlotte and Atlanta are a bit of a stretch. Unless we vastly underachieve during april where we play teams like charlotte, milawaukee, boston, and philly and lose those games. I think whether we're able to beat Orlando and New Jersey will go a long way into figuring out whether or not we should tank the rest of the season. Cause just putting in our young guys and chalking up this season as a failure we could end up with conceivably the 6th worst record in the league.

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    The Pacers are only a game out of the bottom 10, and considering they've been the worst team in the league the past 20 games, I think it's safe to say they'll make that game up in no time flat. At this point, it's not a question of will the Pacers land a top-10 pick but of how high their pick will land. I'd say #8 is most realistic.

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    We need the Knicks, Minnesota and Portland to go on winning streaks!

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    I'd say #8 is most realistic.
    I agree, I looked around for some notable #8 picks and the only one I could find was:

    Andre Miller, Larry Hughes, and Detlef Schrempf,

    was the names that I found, although it seemed like there were consistently better draft picks one slot above and one slot below. If we end up with the #6 seed which I don't believe to be completely inconceivable just "best case scenario" in my opinion if you're part of the tank for a higher draft pick camp. Here are some notable #6 picks:

    Brandon Roy(considered to be this years rookie of the year), Shane Battier, Antoine Walker and Kennny Smith

    Not too shabby but no superstar/legends to be heard of either out of drafts going all the way back to 1984.

    I think if we were to go into full on rebuilding mode I'd give whatever team it was with the #1 overall pick JO + swap draft picks to move up to get Oden and make another trade in the draft to get Acie Law. Then we can expect a pretty bad year as Oden and Law gets acclimated to the NBA and probably end up with one of the top 5 worst records in the league and perhaps snatch Eric Gordon the following year and then we'd indeed have a very bright future. This is a pretty big pipe dream though cause I doubt anyone would trade away their pick for a #6 - #8 draft choice when they could get Oden, even if they were able to land Jermaine O"Neal along with it.

    PG - Law/Orien Greene/Keith Mcleod
    SG - Gordon/Dunleavy/Marquis
    SF - Granger/Williams
    PF - Diogu/Murphy/Baston
    C - Oden/Foster/Harrison

    That kind of a lineup would be ridiculous. The PF position is lacking but every other position is filled quite nicely.


    Has anyone ever heard of a guy from Vanderbilt with the name of Byars? I haven't seen him play once all season long and NBAdraft.net labels him as the most "complete player in the draft" that plays PG/SG if anyone has seen him play I'd like to hear what they have to say as I usually have my doubts as to what that particular site has to say about anybody and maintain a fair amount of skepticism. Also they now have Acie Law going 20th in the draft and Stuckey in the 2nd round if you don't know who stuckey is look up his stats he'd be an interesting 2nd round prospect if we were looking up to get an injection of backcourt talent + scoring.

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    The Magic just beat the Knicks.
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    I hate the Knicks they are worthless. *shakes head*

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    The Magic just beat the Knicks.
    It is looking more and more like these are the teams we need to "beat" to get a #10 pick:

    Orlando
    Minnesota
    Sacramento
    New York

    Specifically, we need to lose more than three of these four teams to get it. New York will be very tough to "beat". Orlando has a game and a half lead on us, so we only need to "pass" two teams: Minnesota and Sacramento.

    With Artest on the way out at Sac, they should go on a run to the end of the season. They have clearly played better beating PHX last night. Minnesota, however, looks like a lifeless POS. It will be tough to "beat" them.

    In all seriousness, I would bet we land at the #11 or #12 position...and do not make the playoffs.

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    I don't think New York will be that tough to beat if you seen their schedule that is left and the teams they play you'd know why: they play New Orleans/OKC, Philly, Seattle, Milawaukee, New Jersey twice, Charlotte and Toronto those are all very winnable games even from a Knicks stand point.(8 winnable games)

    Sacramento lost Kevin Martin in the 2nd half of the Kings game against San Antonion claiming he had blurred/double vision but they still managed to beat the Suns. Their schedule is quite a bit tougher with only Memphis, Lakers twice, and New Orleans/OKC but all those games I think will go either way. ( 4 winnable games)

    Minnesota I don't know what they're deal is I think Kevin Garnett even acts disinterested about trying to make the playoffs. The teams they have left to play that I think are winnable are Seattle, Orlando, New York, NO/OKC, Toronto and Memphis. (6 winnable games)

    Orlando for starting off so well has sucked so bad if they could put the tail end of last season together and the beginning of this season they'd actually have had a fantastic season. They teams they have left that are beatable or could go either way are Boston, Indiana, Minnesota, Memphis, Toronto, Milawaukee, Philidelphia, Boston, (8 winnable games)

    The teams we have left that could go either way that we have a chance to win are New Jersey twice, Orlando, Charlotte, Boston, Philedelphia, Milawaukee, Atlanta (8 Winnable games)

    even Portland has a chance at catching us but we'd likely have to vastly underachieve the remaining way and they'd have to overachieve they're only 2 wins away from being even with us but when you're a horrible team that 2 games is hard to make up. They only play memphis, LA Clippers twice, and NO/OKC to try and catch us. (4 winnable games)

    I just wish we'd tank the fan base is going to be livid if we lose our draft pick cause we ended up with only the #11 pick in the draft.

    So I think if we lose the games against New Jersey and Orlando this coming week I have good faith that New York can get a better record than us as well as orlando and minnesota. I think we are right at #11 at the moment so those three teams passing us would slide us into the 8th pick in the lottery and a favorable bounce of the ping pong balls could move us up to the 7th slot or an unfavorable bounce could put us in the 9th spot.

    I'm sorry guys but with our chances of advancing in the playoffs I'm praying for a loss every game to insure a pick in the draft.

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    TheDon - I am definitely with you. I am looking forward to next season at this point. Sure, the team is showing some flashes, but I think some of that is the effort differential as a result of losing so many games. Once the playoffs start, teams will be able to expose a poorly constructed team with vast weaknesses IMO....that is, if we make the playoffs.

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    PG - Law/Orien Greene/Keith Mcleod
    SG - Gordon/Dunleavy/Marquis
    SF - Granger/Williams
    PF - Diogu/Murphy/Baston
    C - Oden/Foster/Harrison
    Obviously, this has gone on too far. Guys, something like this will never happen. You do get that, right? We're really stuck in the immediate future. We've got three horrible contracts (Tinsley, Dunleavy, Murphy), one huge contract that's hard to move (JO-not that we want to), no pick this year or in the near future. Marquis also has a tough contract to move. A large chunk of this team is staying the same...also, NO team will be trading the number one or two picks this year.

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