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I hate the Knicks they are worthless. *shakes head*
I hate the Knicks they are worthless. *shakes head*
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Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?"
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*""Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?
"In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
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Re: Draft race countdown
It is looking more and more like these are the teams we need to "beat" to get a #10 pick:Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
Orlando
Minnesota
Sacramento
New York
Specifically, we need to lose more than three of these four teams to get it. New York will be very tough to "beat". Orlando has a game and a half lead on us, so we only need to "pass" two teams: Minnesota and Sacramento.
With Artest on the way out at Sac, they should go on a run to the end of the season. They have clearly played better beating PHX last night. Minnesota, however, looks like a lifeless POS. It will be tough to "beat" them.
In all seriousness, I would bet we land at the #11 or #12 position...and do not make the playoffs.Comment
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Re: Draft race countdown
I don't think New York will be that tough to beat if you seen their schedule that is left and the teams they play you'd know why: they play New Orleans/OKC, Philly, Seattle, Milawaukee, New Jersey twice, Charlotte and Toronto those are all very winnable games even from a Knicks stand point.(8 winnable games)
Sacramento lost Kevin Martin in the 2nd half of the Kings game against San Antonion claiming he had blurred/double vision but they still managed to beat the Suns. Their schedule is quite a bit tougher with only Memphis, Lakers twice, and New Orleans/OKC but all those games I think will go either way. ( 4 winnable games)
Minnesota I don't know what they're deal is I think Kevin Garnett even acts disinterested about trying to make the playoffs. The teams they have left to play that I think are winnable are Seattle, Orlando, New York, NO/OKC, Toronto and Memphis. (6 winnable games)
Orlando for starting off so well has sucked so bad if they could put the tail end of last season together and the beginning of this season they'd actually have had a fantastic season. They teams they have left that are beatable or could go either way are Boston, Indiana, Minnesota, Memphis, Toronto, Milawaukee, Philidelphia, Boston, (8 winnable games)
The teams we have left that could go either way that we have a chance to win are New Jersey twice, Orlando, Charlotte, Boston, Philedelphia, Milawaukee, Atlanta (8 Winnable games)
even Portland has a chance at catching us but we'd likely have to vastly underachieve the remaining way and they'd have to overachieve they're only 2 wins away from being even with us but when you're a horrible team that 2 games is hard to make up. They only play memphis, LA Clippers twice, and NO/OKC to try and catch us. (4 winnable games)
I just wish we'd tank the fan base is going to be livid if we lose our draft pick cause we ended up with only the #11 pick in the draft.
So I think if we lose the games against New Jersey and Orlando this coming week I have good faith that New York can get a better record than us as well as orlando and minnesota. I think we are right at #11 at the moment so those three teams passing us would slide us into the 8th pick in the lottery and a favorable bounce of the ping pong balls could move us up to the 7th slot or an unfavorable bounce could put us in the 9th spot.
I'm sorry guys but with our chances of advancing in the playoffs I'm praying for a loss every game to insure a pick in the draft.Comment
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Re: Draft race countdown
TheDon - I am definitely with you. I am looking forward to next season at this point. Sure, the team is showing some flashes, but I think some of that is the effort differential as a result of losing so many games. Once the playoffs start, teams will be able to expose a poorly constructed team with vast weaknesses IMO....that is, if we make the playoffs.Comment
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Re: Draft race countdown
Obviously, this has gone on too far. Guys, something like this will never happen. You do get that, right? We're really stuck in the immediate future. We've got three horrible contracts (Tinsley, Dunleavy, Murphy), one huge contract that's hard to move (JO-not that we want to), no pick this year or in the near future. Marquis also has a tough contract to move. A large chunk of this team is staying the same...also, NO team will be trading the number one or two picks this year.Originally posted by TheDon View PostComment
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Re: Draft race countdown
Which is WHY we need a pick of our ownOriginally posted by rexnom View Post
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Regards,
Mourning
2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws
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2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws
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Re: Draft race countdown
Just to play Devil's Advocate....although I am in agreement with you on "going for the Pick" instead of "going for the Playoffs"....the argument can be made that IF TPTB are not able to make any offseason moves to get rid of Tinsley, any of the exisitng SFs or even JONeal....there will be little playing time for any player that we draft (even if we are able to keep the pick).Originally posted by Mourning View PostWhich is WHY we need a pick of our own.
Regards,
Mourning
Looking at the Status Quo, we can't even find any decent minutes for Ike and Shawne given our current Frontcourt rotation of Granger/Dunleavy/JONeal/Murphy/Foster.
Any player that we add to the roster ...short of a PG....won't guarantee that we have any minutes to play anybody that we draft.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Re: Draft race countdown
I appreciate that you like the work, but maybe read it a little closer. There is no "think" about Memphis, the are already eliminated from catching the Pacers. Mathematically impossible.I think the only team that won't catch us shortly as far as number of wins go in the west is Seattle and Memphis
Sorry to make this sound blunt, but if you are looking at something impossible and think that it just might "probably" not happen, then maybe you aren't really evaluating the situation as balanced as you think you are. You list all those winnable games for the Knicks, for example. First, not as likely as you think, and second those wins would simply put other teams below the Pacers and into the bottom 10.
Keep in mind also that teams with magic numbers around 6-7 will probably have to go 10-0 to pass the Pacers. The Pacers will win a few games, and if these other teams only go 4-6 or 5-5 then they are going to stay behind the Pacers.
That's the point of the magic numbers, it's to indicate that the Pacers aren't the only teams involved here and that plenty of other teams need to win for the Pacers to fall to 9th or 10th. Orlando beats NY, perfect example. Might keep ORL ahead of Indy but at the same time it puts NY down. Plenty more matchups like that yet to come this season.
It's impossible for all the teams fighting with the Pacers to all go 10-0 to finish the season. They must play each other some of the time. And when they aren't they are playing teams like Detroit, Phoenix, Dallas, San Antonio and Utah.
If the Pacers win just 5 more games then subtract that from all the magic numbers. That puts pressure on a lot of teams neck and neck with the Pacers for the 10th pick, even if some of them put the Pacers out of the playoffs.
Pacers have a stretch of CHA, BOS, PHI, MIL coming up, plus a game vs ATL. Add in 2 vs NJ and 1 vs ORL and you have 8 opponents with losing records. Compare that to 5 opponents with winning records.
And if they beat those teams they not only reduce their magic number vs every team by 1, but they reduce their magic number by 2 vs the team they beat. Beating Boston eliminates them for example, no matter what else they do. The Pacers can basically eliminate just about every team in the bottom 10 from finishing ahead of them, just by winning head to head with them.
These teams can't count on PHX and SA doing all the work for them anymore.
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What happens next year then when we lose that pick instead? Fans are going to like that I suppose?I just wish we'd tank the fan base is going to be livid if we lose our draft pick cause we ended up with only the #11 pick in the draft.
Oh, there goes Eric Gordan and we don't even have our #9 pick, or #15 and we still need PG/SG help, but isn't it nice we have this Chinese kid who might learn to be better than Shawn Bradley in a few years.
I'm sure they'll love that feeling.
BTW, I think Julian Wright must have announced that he's staying another year. He's been moved from the 2007 mock to the 2008 version. That just thinned this year's and bulked up next year's top 10 a bit.
Do you guys really want Thabeet or Hawes more than Mike Conley? Or Nick Young who so far has been defensively weak and inconsistanly motivated as your new SG?
The team may need help now, but I just don't see what's in the draft for where they will finish that could give them that immediate help. So I'd rather just get the best player for the Pacers needs overall, and that means next seasons' draft.Comment
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Assuming Oden and Durant both come out, this years draft will be significantly stronger than next years. All the more reason to keep our pick this year instead of waiting another season.Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View PostComment
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Let's not forget that Minnesota is in the same boat as us. Their pick this year is also Top 10 protected, with the Clippers getting it from the Jaric trade.
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LOL, nice idea man but Aldridge is maybe the most valued player on Portland's roster. Their soon-to-be GM said Aldridge will be the best player from that draft.Originally posted by TheDon View PostAnybody check to see how fantastic Lamarcus Aldridge is playing as of late what do you guys think the chances of trading them Jeff Foster for Lamarcus Aldridge is? It'd be Dale Davis for Jermaine O'Neal part 2
. Then poor UB and whoever it was that lamented over losing dale davis can start an "they-traded-my-favorite-big-man-player-for-a-young-guy-with-huge-upside-club." *note to UB and dale davis fan* I'm just teasing 
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Re: Draft race countdown
Larry hughes was picked before Dirk and Paul Pierce in that draft. I think Dirk went 9 and pierce 10.Originally posted by TheDon View Post
Detlef was picked before Karl Malone. I think Malone went 13th.
Living in Dallas I followed the Mavs drafts closely n those years. The Mav owner at that time wanted the Mavs to add an immediate starter and didn't want Dirk at 19 years of age. The Nellie's worked some draft day magic to trade the 6 pick for 9 and 19 from Milwaukee. The 6 pick was Traylor. The 19th pick and the Mavs following year pick was sent to the suns for Nash. That following year pick wound up being Shawn Marion. Since Nellie got his starter in Nash, he was able to take the Dirk gamble. If none of those trades would have happened, i think the Mavs would have taken Pierce at 6 because of Perot Jr. wanted an instant starter. Dirk may have been a Celtic. I know i bout had a coronary when they announced the Mavs were picking the Tractor but the trade started coming true pretty quick.
I remember the Malone draft. The fans in Dallas were fairly upset that the Mavs passed on him. I am pretty sure it was Detlef who the Mavs drafted ahead of Malone. Strangely enuff, some other teams passed him up also.Comment
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Minnesota is killing Seattle tonight.Comment
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Ahhhh! We are getting closer to the promiseland. Orlando has passed us, Minnesota is pulling up. Sacramento has been playing very well.
If we lose to NJ and Orlando on the road the dream might become a reality.Comment
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