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  • #16
    Re: So who does the blame lie with?

    Originally posted by pacertom View Post
    I'm not saying he's there now, but he has rapidly gome from all-star to average to a little worse than average. Some of it is due to leaving the Princeton offense, but a lot of it is perhaps due to Brad's famous lack of conditioning.

    This isn't something big, more of just a funny fact.

    This was relevant with the conversation happening, but Oden told us that Brad and Adam Morrison dipped while they practiced during the summer for Team USA. I thought he was saying they put one in while shooting FTs or something, but he said they would scrimmage with a big chaw in.

    Continue......
    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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    • #17
      Re: So who does the blame lie with?

      Originally posted by CableKC
      Anything short of having Bird coach the team....I really don't think that Johnny Davis ( or anyone else on the Coaching staff ) will make any difference.
      What is the fascination with "If Bird coaches the team"? Besides motivating a team that needed little motivation...Bird's role in coaching that team seemed very small other then just being a figurehead. Personally, I always gave Mark Jackson more credit in coaching that team then I ever gave Larry Bird.

      Carlisle, Harter and Jax (to an extent) were the coaches of those teams. Period!
      ...Still "flying casual"
      @roaminggnome74

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      • #18
        Re: So who does the blame lie with?

        Q: Given all the headaches you've had recently, why are you still doing this? You could be playing golf.


        A: (laughs) Because I'm sick.


        I don't know; it's in my blood. And I'm competitive. I don't know. I played, I coached . . . I didn't want no part of that coaching. But the way I did it, I managed the team and Rick (Carlisle) did the Xs and Os. I loved the defense part of it. I had one of the best (assistants), Dick Harter.

        I couldn't believe the stuff he got out of these guys. But I managed the team and me and Dick did the defense. Every once in a while I'd look at Rick's offense and say, 'You've got too many plays. Keep it simple. And run the stuff we ran in Boston.' We weren't brain surgeons, but we knew how to run the plays.

        It was very interesting to me when I was coaching, how you manage your team. That's very important in this league. This day and age, somebody better be managing your players. And you better touch every one of them every day.


        Why'd I do this? I just think it's in my blood. . . . And the craving for a championship . . . It's the drive that I want to get back there one more time.
        http://pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=30180

        Larry would agree with you Roam.

        (I didn't post a link to the site because it was out of the thread I did put a link for. It didn't have a site link, so I'm not sure where he got it from.)
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #19
          Re: So who does the blame lie with?

          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
          But at least Murphy's not overpaid.

          Oh wait.


          But at least Murphy doesn't have a long term contract like Brad does.

          Oh wait, nevermind, his contract is a full year more.

          According to hoopshype, Murphy will make 11,047,619 in 09-10, while Brad will make 12,250,000. I believe that Brad Miller is worth a little over 10% more than Murphy. Anyone disagree?

          And of course, Murphy makes 11,968,253 in 10-11 while Brad's contract will be done by then.

          So in the last year of Brad's deal, he will make 12,250,000 while Murphy will make 11,968,253 in the last year of his, which is a year later. Thats just a $281,747 difference. Call me stupid, but I think Brad is worth that much more than Murphy.

          What a horrible call by management in 2003 to let him go. It makes it even more pathetic when we get a player who isn't half as good, yet makes almost the same thing.

          -All salaries according to hoopshype.com

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          • #20
            Re: So who does the blame lie with?

            Originally posted by Cobol Sam View Post
            Dang it man... did you really need to jinx us like that? Now Murphy is going to come down with spontaneous combustion syndrome or something.
            If I were to believe any player would miss games with sinusitis, it would be Troy Murphy.

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            • #21
              Re: So who does the blame lie with?

              Unclebuck. Moving to Carmel? Sellout.
              Narf!

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              • #22
                Re: So who does the blame lie with?

                Originally posted by Ragnar View Post
                Getting Murphy just pisses me off even more about letting Brad go. Murphy is the homeless mans Brad Miller.
                Not really. This just one of those "the grass is always greener on the other side" type posts. Brad Miller is no better than Murphy. They're both 6'11" 250 pound softies who can't defend. The difference is, Murphy can at least rebound, ranking in the top-6 in the league each of the past 2 seasons. Not to mention, Brad Miller is as injury prone as Jamaal Tinsley. And where exactly has the great Brad Miller led the Kings? Absolutely nowhere. They're not even going to the playoffs this year.

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                • #23
                  Re: So who does the blame lie with?

                  Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                  What is the fascination with "If Bird coaches the team"? Besides motivating a team that needed little motivation...Bird's role in coaching that team seemed very small other then just being a figurehead. Personally, I always gave Mark Jackson more credit in coaching that team then I ever gave Larry Bird.

                  Carlisle, Harter and Jax (to an extent) were the coaches of those teams. Period!
                  So you don't think that this team needs motivation? As many have pointed out....the team has tuned out Carlisle.

                  I just feel that we have little options when it comes to a replacement for Carlisle at this point....and if the choice came down to get rid of him ( which I am not adovocating )....I would much rather have Bird run the show then Johnny Davis do it. If anything.....just like how Zeke put the Knicks together.....this is what Bird put together.

                  If there is anyone left that can motivate or "tune them back in"....I would hope that it would be Bird....the one guy that has the authority to actually and respect factor to do it.

                  I'm not as knowledgeable as most of you are on this.....so I will defer to most of your judgment on this...if most of you feel that Bird is not an option.
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  • #24
                    Re: So who does the blame lie with?

                    Miller is averaging 9.7pts 6.6 rbs 0.2blks, compared to Murphy's 9.4pts 6.5 rbs, 0.6blks.

                    Yet Troy is only "half as good?"
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • #25
                      Re: So who does the blame lie with?

                      Originally posted by Adam1987 View Post
                      I believe that Brad Miller is worth a little over 10% more than Murphy. Anyone disagree?
                      That'd be me.

                      Just because Troy Murphy also sucks, doesn't discount the fact that Brad Miller also sucks. They're about equal scorers and defenders, but tell me which is more important in a big man, rebounding (Murphy) or passing (Miller)? Give me rebounding any day, every day. Not to mention how brittle and broken down Brad is.

                      Like I said, this is your typical "the grass is greener on the other side" thought process, however there's really no truth to it at all.

                      And where exactly did the team get with Brad Miller? A 1st round thumping at the hands of the mighty Boston Celtics? And don't mention how this years team is going nowhere, because this years team doesnt have close to the talent that the 2002-2003 Pacers had.

                      Like was just mentioned, they're very similar players and in fact Murphy is slightly more productive and is also 3 years younger.

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                      • #26
                        Re: So who does the blame lie with?

                        Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                        What is the fascination with "If Bird coaches the team"? Besides motivating a team that needed little motivation...Bird's role in coaching that team seemed very small other then just being a figurehead. Personally, I always gave Mark Jackson more credit in coaching that team then I ever gave Larry Bird.

                        Carlisle, Harter and Jax (to an extent) were the coaches of those teams. Period!
                        I agree with that, but I do believe Larry's presence was the only reason any of the players listened to the coaches. He demanded the players' respect and received it. Rick has not had that happen for him.

                        If Larry sat on the bench right now and moved Rick down one spot, and ran the team in the exact same way, but through a different voice, I really believe you would see changes.
                        Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team. -- Scottie Pippen

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                        • #27
                          Re: So who does the blame lie with?

                          Who is better Brad or Troy.

                          Brad is a better passer
                          Troy is better at taking the ball to the basket
                          Brad is a better midrange shooter
                          Troy is a better 3 point shooter.

                          Both are horrible defenders - there isn't any other way to say it. Who is worse - I think they are both equally bad. Why do Kings fans bemoan the Kings interior defense - Brad.

                          I don't miss Brad at all. And on the list of 20 reasons why the Pacers aren't very good right now, losing Brad would not make my list.

                          The biggest mistake made was building the entire team, the entire franchise around JO and Artest. (a mistake that I wholeheartily endorsed by the way) But TPTB built the entire team around both of them. And those two players needed each other in order to be successful. Once Artest had to go I immediately turned on a dime and advocated major changes - including trading JO for the right player.


                          For the record here are Brad's and Troy's salaries.

                          Brad:
                          '07 - 9.6
                          '08 - 10.5
                          '09 - 11.4
                          '10 - 12.2

                          Ask Kings fans if they would just rather get rid of Brad and his contract. And that sentiment is what many of us predicted when Brad signed the big contract. In years 4-7 - we wouldn't want him - really at any cost

                          Troy
                          '07 - 8.2
                          '08 - 9.2
                          '09 - 10.1
                          '10 - 11.0
                          '11 - 11.9

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                          • #28
                            Re: So who does the blame lie with?

                            The irony is that TPTB didn't feel Brad was worth it then, and were somewhat proven right in hindsight. But then they go get the same kind of player, with the same kind of contract, in Murphy.

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                            • #29
                              Re: So who does the blame lie with?

                              Originally posted by Shade View Post
                              The irony is that TPTB didn't feel Brad was worth it then, and were somewhat proven right in hindsight. But then they go get the same kind of player, with the same kind of contract, in Murphy.


                              Yes that proves how bad they wanted to get rid of Jackson

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                              • #30
                                Re: So who does the blame lie with?

                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                Yes that proves how bad they wanted to get rid of Jackson
                                Well with how many times they have had to absolutely get rid of a player they could have struck gold once. The peja situation wasn't exactly handled well, we wasted that TE on Al, only to get rid of him what 4 months later.

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